Canadian Armed Forces Thread

[Nuxfanabroad]

"When all else fails, they take you to war."

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, gurn said:

So the guy who got shot had no idea he was in a gun battle? I'm not a fan of long distance warfare.

He killed a terrorist, you should be a fan of that.

[Gurn]

29 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

He killed a terrorist, you should be a fan of that.

They say the guy was a terrorist, they are not always right.

[ice orca]

3 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

A hell of a shot': Sniper record latest example of deadly Canadian marksmanship

Joint Task Force 2 member hit ISIS militant at a distance of 3,540 metres, military confirms

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4174155

 

A Canadian special forces sniper just abolished a world record for the longest-ever successful shot on record. In Iraq, the sniper hit an ISIS militant from more than 2 miles away, with the bullet flying in the air under 10 seconds before hitting its target.

 

 

 

 

Canucks are good shooters 3 in the top 5.

[Ryan Strome]

16 minutes ago, gurn said:

They say the guy was a terrorist, they are not always right.

I wouldn't question jtf2 intelligence gathering.

[Gurn]

So no trial, just death because you trust some government agency?

[Ryan Strome]

36 minutes ago, gurn said:

So no trial, just death because you trust some government agency?

It's war and isis is a bunch of murderers and rapists. No trial needed.

[Lancaster]

2 hours ago, gurn said:

So no trial, just death because you trust some government agency?

That philosophy could be applied to everything. 

 

"Well.... that guy only pulled out a gun to threaten someone when he was shot.  So no trial, just death because you trust some government agency?"

[skolozsy2]

4 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

It's war and isis is a bunch of murderers and rapists. No trial needed.

Its a very conflicting situation. Not sure there is a right or wrong way to handle it.

 

The Nazi's, a group of people who propelled the world into a war that ultimately led to the deaths of over 20 million people and caused billions worth of damage....when apprehended, were still given trials.  They had to be convicted at Nuremburg, then sentenced.  They weren't just executed from miles away without any evidence.

 

 

On the other hand, from what i have read, most countries had no problem with the extradition of ex Nazis who had taken refuge in their country.  The same luxury doesnt apply today.  There is far more bureaucracy than ever.  And who makes the arrest...the home country, the invading country, Interpol, the police, the military, etc.  Just a straight up, crappy situation with no right or wrong way of handling it.

 

The only guarantee is that regardless of the method used, people will criticise it.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2017 by skolozsy2

[TimberWolf]

Been rubbing it in on a guy from England in my office today.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, TimberWolf said:

Been rubbing it in on a guy from England in my office today.

Good man.

[SabreFan1]

1 hour ago, TimberWolf said:

Been rubbing it in on a guy from England in my office today.

[Ryan Strome]

Liberals extend anti-ISIS mission to 2019

http://globalnews.ca/news/3564980/canada-military-isis-iraq/

[Gurn]

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/sniper-shot-is-no-cause-to-celebrate-editorial/ar-BBDuW4k?li=AA59G3&ocid=spartandhp

 

"A Canadian soldier now holds the world record for longest fatal shot by a sniper, after killing a Daesh fighter in Iraq from a distance of over 3.5 kilometres.

Justin Trudeau, discussing the record last week, said it was “something to be celebrated for the excellence of the Canadian Forces in their training, in the performance of their duties.”

The prime minister is commendable in his desire to mark Canadian achievement, and the marksman in question seems to have done his job well. But to celebrate our military’s killing power, no matter how many records it breaks, shows a crude and simplistic view of Canada’s role overseas - and of the value of human life.

 

The issue isn't the shot itself, which by all accounts was justified, but how we choose to talk about it.

However heinous we may find members of Daesh and their sympathizers, they are human beings. They have homes and families and histories. No matter their crimes, their lives are valuable in the sense that all lives are valuable, and deserving of at least some degree of respect.

We revile terrorists largely because they seem to have so little regard for human life. They measure their success by the amount of carnage they cause, and appear to find genuine joy in killing people. That, supposedly, is what sets us apart from them"

 

"Canadians should, in the 21st Century, be able to take pride in our military for reasons other than its ability to end human lives. A peacekeeping mission in Africa, for instance, would be genuine cause to celebrate, but the government has continued to drag its feet on fulfilling that promise. "

[skolozsy2]

5 hours ago, gurn said:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/sniper-shot-is-no-cause-to-celebrate-editorial/ar-BBDuW4k?li=AA59G3&ocid=spartandhp

 

"A Canadian soldier now holds the world record for longest fatal shot by a sniper, after killing a Daesh fighter in Iraq from a distance of over 3.5 kilometres.

Justin Trudeau, discussing the record last week, said it was “something to be celebrated for the excellence of the Canadian Forces in their training, in the performance of their duties.”

The prime minister is commendable in his desire to mark Canadian achievement, and the marksman in question seems to have done his job well. But to celebrate our military’s killing power, no matter how many records it breaks, shows a crude and simplistic view of Canada’s role overseas - and of the value of human life.

 

The issue isn't the shot itself, which by all accounts was justified, but how we choose to talk about it.

However heinous we may find members of Daesh and their sympathizers, they are human beings. They have homes and families and histories. No matter their crimes, their lives are valuable in the sense that all lives are valuable, and deserving of at least some degree of respect.

We revile terrorists largely because they seem to have so little regard for human life. They measure their success by the amount of carnage they cause, and appear to find genuine joy in killing people. That, supposedly, is what sets us apart from them"

 

"Canadians should, in the 21st Century, be able to take pride in our military for reasons other than its ability to end human lives. A peacekeeping mission in Africa, for instance, would be genuine cause to celebrate, but the government has continued to drag its feet on fulfilling that promise. "

Thanks for posting this.

 

Not trying to discredit the sacrifices or difficulties the soldiers defending our nations endure....but it really is a slippery slope. 

 

We celebrate the achievements of this sniper who executed a man, a man with who may have been suspected as an ISIS member,  but technically was proven guilty of nothing.

 

What would happen in North America if we just started executing "suspects" from 2 miles away.  Would we celebrate the achievement, or would it be a 12 page thread on how horrible the culprit was?

[Ryan Strome]

On 25/06/2017 at 9:51 PM, gurn said:

They say the guy was a terrorist, they are not always right.

 

On 25/06/2017 at 10:25 PM, gurn said:

So no trial, just death because you trust some government agency?

 

On 30/06/2017 at 0:54 PM, gurn said:

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/sniper-shot-is-no-cause-to-celebrate-editorial/ar-BBDuW4k?li=AA59G3&ocid=spartandhp

 

"A Canadian soldier now holds the world record for longest fatal shot by a sniper, after killing a Daesh fighter in Iraq from a distance of over 3.5 kilometres.

Justin Trudeau, discussing the record last week, said it was “something to be celebrated for the excellence of the Canadian Forces in their training, in the performance of their duties.”

The prime minister is commendable in his desire to mark Canadian achievement, and the marksman in question seems to have done his job well. But to celebrate our military’s killing power, no matter how many records it breaks, shows a crude and simplistic view of Canada’s role overseas - and of the value of human life.

 

The issue isn't the shot itself, which by all accounts was justified, but how we choose to talk about it.

However heinous we may find members of Daesh and their sympathizers, they are human beings. They have homes and families and histories. No matter their crimes, their lives are valuable in the sense that all lives are valuable, and deserving of at least some degree of respect.

We revile terrorists largely because they seem to have so little regard for human life. They measure their success by the amount of carnage they cause, and appear to find genuine joy in killing people. That, supposedly, is what sets us apart from them"

 

"Canadians should, in the 21st Century, be able to take pride in our military for reasons other than its ability to end human lives. A peacekeeping mission in Africa, for instance, would be genuine cause to celebrate, but the government has continued to drag its feet on fulfilling that promise. "

 

On 30/06/2017 at 7:06 PM, skolozsy2 said:

Thanks for posting this.

 

Not trying to discredit the sacrifices or difficulties the soldiers defending our nations endure....but it really is a slippery slope. 

 

We celebrate the achievements of this sniper who executed a man, a man with who may have been suspected as an ISIS member,  but technically was proven guilty of nothing.

 

What would happen in North America if we just started executing "suspects" from 2 miles away.  Would we celebrate the achievement, or would it be a 12 page thread on how horrible the culprit was?

“The shot in question actually disrupted a Daesh (IS) attack on Iraqi security forces,” a military source told the newspaper. “Instead of dropping a bomb that could potentially kill civilians in the area, it is a very precise application of force and because it was so far way, the bad guys didn’t have a clue what was happening.”

[Violator]

The type of warfare that's being used by isis isn't easy to eliminate and sniping is the only way the guy won't just run away and ditch his guns just to come back another day.

[Gurn]

39 minutes ago, Violator said:

The type of warfare that's being used by isis isn't easy to eliminate and sniping is the only way the guy won't just run away and ditch his guns just to come back another day.

warfare is not supposed to be easy. It should never be easy. It needs to be as ugly as possible, so it is only used as a last resort.

[Violator]

2 hours ago, gurn said:

warfare is not supposed to be easy. It should never be easy. It needs to be as ugly as possible, so it is only used as a last resort.

This isn't warfare this is slaughter by maniacs 

[diesel_3]

Best way I could sum up Afghanistan was how similar it was to Vietnam (Obviously not climate) but the guerilla tactics they would use. The taliban were smart, they know our rules of engagement and used every possible way to bypass it.

 

Things changed so much from when I was training in 2006 to when I was deployed in 2009, including the ROE's. During soldier qualification we were doing some classroom work, slide shows of IED explosion damages, what a body looks like after said IED explosion, etc. At the time in 2006, the ROE's were almost no holds barred, if somebody looked at you funny you could escalate force (Bit of an exaggeration, but not by much). A high percentage of IED's at the time were being deployed in white toyota corolla's or other small cheap sedans, so somebody had asked "Well, why not just shoot the bomber/vehicle before they detonate?" The MCpl was glad he asked, because the very next slide was a picture of a busy bazaar in some village in the helmand province of Aghanistan, literally everyone in the picture was wearing a white hijab and white burqa and all the vehicles pictured were white toyota corolla's! The MCpl said "How do you know who is bad and who is good?" That's something i'll never forget.

 

I had a very interesting job overseas, I had first hand account of how brutal the taliban could be to 'get around' our ROE's, one time I saw a man standing at the top of a mountain side with binoculars (It's not common to go 'sight seeing' in Afghanistan mid day in 50 degree heat) watching over 2 main roads and a big choke point where there has been a lot of IED activity over the previous months. Every time he would look through his binoculars he would pick up a small child he had with him, because he KNEW we could not fire at that target. Innocent civilians as well as collateral damage were a big deal while I was there, regardless of what people may think or have heard on the news, we had to go through a tonne of red tape to be able to drop bombs or engage. We marked the grid coordinates and our CIED team had found a make shift remote detonation IED nearby where the man would have been watching the road from his vantage point.

 

I get asked all the time about Afghanistan, I have my own personal opinions, I have been called a bunch of names for having deployed there. Most of the people only know what they read on the internet or see on TV. The place was completely messed up and corrupt. I am so glad I made it home in one piece, even though better men and women than me did not return home to their families alive.