mll Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Why does Sakic want to move him in the first place? Because he is too good? Because they are building their new core around MacKinnon, Rantanen and Jost. They are basically starting over and he is too old to be part of that new group. He is also a UFA in two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 10 hours ago, Odd. said: No to trading Juolevi. Especially that it would only be for two seasons of Duchene. Many believe that his preferred team is Nashville and after Johansen they don't really have a C2. Kamenev and Bonino are more suited to play C3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pavelbure96 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 13 hours ago, richado said: HNIC panel just suggested the Canucks are in and dangling Juolevi. Said Sakic wants an established player, Sergachev-level prospect(Juolevi), and a draft pick. Really hoping this doesn't happen. Did they say we are shopping Juolevi for Duchene? Or just said it was a possibility... Cause that's a big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypocritical Cranium Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, mll said: Especially that it would only be for two seasons of Duchene. Many believe that his preferred team is Nashville and after Johansen they don't really have a C2. Kamenev and Bonino are more suited to play C3. I think if you were to trade for him you make part of the deal him signing an extension first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypocritical Cranium Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 10 hours ago, Kungfudru said: What about Juolevi for Sam Reinhart straight up instead? This is similar to saying "What about Juolevi for Dylan Larkin" or "What about Juolevi for Kucherov" It doesn't work just because we want it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Edmonton and Colorado right now would be viable RNH and a 2nd Duchene and a 5th Sakic isn't getting much more than that and a Juolevi for Duchene trade makes no sense for either team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, mll said: Especially that it would only be for two seasons of Duchene. Many believe that his preferred team is Nashville and after Johansen they don't really have a C2. Kamenev and Bonino are more suited to play C3. Kamenev is who we're interested in, not Duchene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 For anyone interested....smells like Derek Roy. Look at the stats to understand why the comparison is important. Then ask yourself if you'd have traded OJ for Roy Baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, mll said: Especially that it would only be for two seasons of Duchene. Many believe that his preferred team is Nashville and after Johansen they don't really have a C2. Kamenev and Bonino are more suited to play C3. I suppose Jim could be thinking if a deal can't be worked out he could get a pick for MD at the TDL, similar to the Guddy situation. Jim has shown he'll make deals without a contract extension in place. I think we do have pieces to make it work but Sakic won't be realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: For anyone interested....smells like Derek Roy. Look at the stats to understand why the comparison is important. Then ask yourself if you'd have traded OJ for Roy Baby what makes you think MD is going to have the same decline in production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: what makes you think MD is going to have the same decline in production? Duchene hasn't even had the production Roy did during his career and Roy did it in the dead puck era. Duchene is a 60 or less point center on a team where he gets prime minutes and solid PP time and has since he was drafted. His best year came with ROR and MAckinnon but hasn't come close to replicating those total since. Roy also in his last 4 years had near comparable production to Duchene over his last 3 years He's having a good start but would you seriously trade a potential future top 4 defenceman on ELC for a middle 6 center that has trouble breaking 60 points and is closer to 30 than 20 I see more than a few comparisons between Roy V Duchene in this manner and I want nothing to do with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Duchene hasn't even had the production Roy did during his career and Roy did it in the dead puck era. Duchene is a 60 or less point center on a team where he gets prime minutes and solid PP time and has since he was drafted. His best year came with ROR and MAckinnon but hasn't come close to replicating those total since. Roy also in his last 4 years had near comparable production to Duchene over his last 3 years He's having a good start but would you seriously trade a potential future top 4 defenceman on ELC for a middle 6 center that has trouble breaking 60 points and is closer to 30 than 20 I see more than a few comparisons between Roy V Duchene in this manner and I want nothing to do with him he's topped 50 points 5 times and is a great face-off guy. I would trade Sutter, Hutton and maybe as high as a 2nd for him but doubt thats even close to what Joe wants. But not OJ, unless Jim has seen something that makes him think he's not the guy he thought he was on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Hypocritical Cranium said: I think if you were to trade for him you make part of the deal him signing an extension first. Not possible. An extension can only be signed next 1 July - that's why teams are reluctant to pay the price to acquire him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungfudru Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 57 minutes ago, Hypocritical Cranium said: This is similar to saying "What about Juolevi for Dylan Larkin" or "What about Juolevi for Kucherov" It doesn't work just because we want it to. I wouldn't say Sam Reinhart is as good as Dylan Larkin at this point, or even in the same conversation as Kucherov. If we had to add slightly I'd say I deal could be made, if not and we needed to add a lot more then I'd just rather take my chances with Juolevi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, mll said: Not possible. An extension can only be signed next 1 July - that's why teams are reluctant to pay the price to acquire him. the difference here is we actually have a family connection, Newell is Matt's uncle so if we get to hear under the radar that an extension is desirable then we have a bit of an edge that way. I dunno, the guy could be a great fit with some of our young snipers but Sakic just seems intent on making it a lopsided deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: the difference here is we actually have a family connection, Newell is Matt's uncle so if we get to hear under the radar that an extension is desirable then we have a bit of an edge that way. I dunno, the guy could be a great fit with some of our young snipers but Sakic just seems intent on making it a lopsided deal. Wouldn't the Canucks get in trouble though. Not certain it's a risk they should take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 46 minutes ago, oldnews said: Kamenev is who we're interested in, not Duchene. Nashville is really high on Kamenev and were hoping he'd make the team out of camp. He's not quite ready but he's getting there and maybe later in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungfudru Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 If Sakic was willing to trade Duchene for Juolevi straight up right now I'd do it, pump up Duchenes stats and trade him to a contender at the deadline for a 1st, and prospects. That's what he(Sakic) should be doing in the first place. Why trade him now and get less for him? OJ is not looking like a top 5 pick right now compared to his draft class either. I want him to succeed but hes not really showing that he can be anything like he was projected to become at this point. Sergachev has 8 points in 9 games in the NHL, McAvoy ppg NHL, Chychurn is playing in the NHL etc. . I know it's still early, but there's always the possibility that he can trend as pouliot did which would suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmetts Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Hypocritical Cranium said: I think if you were to trade for him you make part of the deal him signing an extension first. Cant sign until current contract is in last year so there is no way sadly or it would make it worth it I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Duchene for Kane in Buffalo. Both are expiring contracts. Buffalo gets to look good because they get an extra season. Kane can work with MacK and hopefully a fresh start. If Kane falters. Well he's closer to Vegas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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