Dr. Crossbar Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Apologies upfront for the long post. It's been a while since I created a topic. So, I was having coffee with a friend from the east this morning and we were talking about the state of the Canucks - namely how quickly we went from healthy to "more of the same" with injuries. As we were talking about the brutal schedule and the many contributing factors as to why we suffer so many injuries each year, we started to explore why the Sedins were able to have such lengthy careers here in Vancouver. My buddy asked me, straight up ... "Where are the Sedins in the organization right now? You guys could seriously use them to help change the culture of injuries. Just look at their careers." Who knows what the Sedins want post-hockey or how they feel about roles with the organization but it's s really valid question. Been thinking about it all day. We all know Henrik was a healthy iron man with his consecutive games streak. He currently sits in the #10 spot of all-time in the league. Hank had 12 seasons of 82 games, plus 4 seasons of 70+ games. Daniel, on the other hand, had 10 seasons of 80+ games, with 5 seasons of 70+ games. Of course the Sedins weren't injury-free their entire careers - there's no way to forget Daniel's 2014 injury after being hit from behind - but they obviously did something right to maintain a high level of consistent health (even with travel) over a long period of time. And it's also evident they were able to bounce back from injuries to maintain 70+ games into their late 30s. Their elite talent alone wasn't the only reason. It's still early in their post-playing days, but if I were Canucks ownership/management, I'd seriously start thinking about hiring the Sedins full-time to help players stay healthy and/or minimize injuries. I mean, really drill down into their longevity and health to perhaps be the catalysts for changing our injury culture. Elite talent and hockey IQ aside, clearly there are key things the Sedins did differently than other players. Clearly there are habits, conditioning regimes, nutrition, psychological factors, training techniques, lifestyle changes, on ice strategies, etc, that can be learned from the Sedins in terms of minimizing injuries. If FA, JB, TG, and crew are serious about exploring how we may be able to stay consistently healthier, IMO, they should go all-in on trying to hire the Sedins as "conditioning/injury prevention" specialists. It just makes sense. We have two stars in our backyard who remained mostly healthy their entire careers. Why in the world wouldn't we - at the very least - tap into what can actually be learned from them in terms injury minimalization/prevention? No one really talks about them in a way of ... "Hey, wait a second, how were the Sedins able to survive for so long on such an injury plagued team? What can be learned from them?" Even hiring them in this capacity for a year as an experiment to see if their approach/expertise can reduce certain types of injuries. Hopefully you can see the bigger picture of what I'm getting at here. What do you guys think? Would this be the best role for the Sedins or am I completely off-base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Go Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Not a bad idea really, but I'm not sure if they'd be willing to get into full-time work so soon after retirement. I could see them accepting some part-time or contract work though maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Most injuries are completely random. You can't teach not getting hit in the wrong place with a shot. Or not getting pitchforked while falling to completely smash your face. And I am not sure it takes the Sedins to teach guys how to properly stretch. Hire a hot yoga teacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I was thinking of the Sedins teaching the cycle game. Some of our guys could really use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, -AJ- said: Not a bad idea really, but I'm not sure if they'd be willing to get into full-time work so soon after retirement. I could see them accepting some part-time or contract work though maybe. That's actually what I told my friend. Hard to say since it hasn't even been a full season since they retired. I think there's real value in their longevity that may be taken for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Not really a response to the OP - which is an interesting angle - but I find this to be a great perspective/account from an opponent of theirs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP-40 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I think we should keep them far away from our team. Their mentality is not the best mentality to have for hockey, they are hard individuals that play soft and i dont want that influence anywhere near our guys. They have mentors already in edler, tanev, guddy, and sutter. Sorry i know some of you will not like this opinion, I appreciate that the sedins have scoring titles but you cant deny they could have played a more presence filled game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, xereau said: Most injuries are completely random. You can't teach not getting hit in the wrong place with a shot. Or not getting pitchforked while falling to completely smash your face. And I am not sure it takes the Sedins to teach guys how to properly stretch. Hire a hot yoga teacher. So, you'd say there's no value in what I'm saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, Qwags said: I was thinking of the Sedins teaching the cycle game. Some of our guys could really use it. That was my first thought when they retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 You guys and the Sedins... Finally, the team is showing a pulse. Keep the Naslund/Sedin influences far, far away from these kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, EP-40 said: I think we should keep them far away from our team. Their mentality is not the best mentality to have for hockey, they are hard individuals that play soft and i dont want that influence anywhere near our guys. They have mentors already in edler, tanev, guddy, and sutter. Sorry i know some of you will not like this opinion, I appreciate that the sedins have scoring titles but you cant deny they could have played a more presence filled game. I get where you're coming from. What I'm getting at is ... injury prevention/minimalization mentors, which is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted February 14, 2019 Author Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, 189lb enforcers? said: You guys and the Sedins... Finally, the team is showing a pulse. Keep the Naslund/Sedin influences far, far away from these kids. Yet we can't stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: You guys and the Sedins... Finally, the team is showing a pulse. Keep the Naslund/Sedin influences far, far away from these kids. It's funny that you've mutated this from Swedes to Sedins/Naslund now that you've jumped on the Pettersson wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Not a bad idea really, but I'm not sure if they'd be willing to get into full-time work so soon after retirement. I could see them accepting some part-time or contract work though maybe. This is probably the best for all involved. Have them available informally for the guys coming up. They're a great resource for guys like Petey coming into the league, but I want them to enjoy their retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Just now, Dr. Crossbar said: Yet we can't stay healthy. Tank Insurance Plan. Its by design. If they wanted to reduce injuries, they’d just trade out the IR mainstays. Edler (lately) Tanev Sutter Guddy Baer The Sedins did zero heavy lifting. No wonder they weren’t ever hurt, unless you count their time spent in front of the net, but that came with the gravy train tickets they were on. I remember Tortz tried to make them play a complete, accountable game and they almost died trying. They were durable because they didn’t block shots, hit or whatever it was Tortz was trying to get them doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSeventeen Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I miss Henrik and Daniel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: The Sedins did zero heavy lifting. How much heavy lifting does Nylander do? You like to fluff him a lot - does he play a 'complete game'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I think the real issue here is depth. If a key person goes down, there are few players who can play up the line up and still be effective. It just takes time. As Sutter is injured, they have to put Granlund in his place and he's not really an effective NHL centre . Or else, call up Gaudette and we all know that Benning would rather have him playing big minutes and multiple roles in Utica for the rest of the season. Optimal development for Gaudette is probably in Utica but for now, he plays with the big club. It's 2nd choice for him. Edler goes down and who get's top line minutes? Hutton. Love the kid but the jury is still out on him as far as I'm concerned. Is he even on this team once Hughes, Juolevi, Sautner and Briesbois are fully developed? It was a damn good move for Benning to have 2 shut down centre's on this developing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldnews said: It's funny that you've mutated this from Swedes to Sedins/Naslund now that you've jumped on the Pettersson wagon. Oh, Steve... ‘This’ is not about being a Swede. Forsberg is one of my favourite players ever. As were Sundin and Gradin, but whatever, I guess being captain of my Fan Club makes you know things about me that even I don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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