cuporbust Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I'm willing to bet they ban these goals eventually. I love the spectical though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 hours ago, cuporbust said: I'm willing to bet they ban these goals eventually. I love the spectical though. Ban them why? That would be stupid if they want increased scoring and excitement in the games like the NHL says they do. I can see them not counting if it involves a high stick though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenAlien Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Throwback to Hoglander’s first SHL lacrosse goal: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 17 hours ago, Tre Mac said: "Pretty much every hockey player can score that goal and he'll get smashed in the mouth if he ever attempted that in the NHL, he's undersized and I am not sold on him." Not my thoughts but I read that online, care for a rebuttal? That's some sad jealousy in that statement. Undersized, maybe, but watch the kid train. His core strength is off the charts. He has already shown some physical abilities and going to far as well. He may not make it, but he doesn't play the game differently from players who have at the same size. That could change when he comes over on the smaller rink. He goes to right places,has the IQ, Shot, skill, skating and commitment to fitness that is needed to become an NHLer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I see this Hoglander having a breakout season this year in the SHL and next year at training camp he will be lining up with Pettersson and Boeser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Major Canucks Fan Posted October 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 People miss the point about this kid. It's not the lacrosse goal, it's what he did before the goal. Here was a 1 on 1 battle that he had a 50/50 chance at the beginning. He eludes the defender that was all over him, banks the puck to himself. The defender was still in the vicinity (note all the other lacrosse goals whereby the player is all by himself behind the net, this one is different as he had a defender on him when he did it). The kid has the mindset to actually try this. It's like the avalanche commentors on Petersson's between the legs move last year: "How do you even think of that?". He is a in one on one battle behind the net and has the awareness to pull this off, that's the amazing part. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Love this line from him: at NHL level it is tough but of course I will try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said: Love this line from him: at NHL level it is tough but of course I will try. I just hope it doesn't put a target on his back. People don't really take kindly to hot dogging. May offend a few of the wrong players. Doing wacky stuff in a shootout is one thing, but to embarrass a team on the ice. I dunno, maybe I am worrying about nothing but hey such is the life of a hardcore fan I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: I just hope it doesn't put a target on his back. People don't really take kindly to hot dogging. May offend a few of the wrong players. Doing wacky stuff in a shootout is one thing, but to embarrass a team on the ice. I dunno, maybe I am worrying about nothing but hey such is the life of a hardcore fan I guess. is the lacrosse goal similar in its development (and acceptance) to what the dunk was in basketball 50 years ago? Maybe over the next years we will see the lacrosse goal more and more as a way to have a higher chance to beat the goalie, when so close? I'm surprised we don't see guys carrying the puck lacrosse style in the shoot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: is the lacrosse goal similar in its development (and acceptance) to what the dunk was in basketball 50 years ago? Maybe over the next years we will see the lacrosse goal more and more as a way to have a higher chance to beat the goalie, when so close? I'm surprised we don't see guys carrying the puck lacrosse style in the shoot out. Too much risk losing the puck, you have to keep that forward momentum otherwise the play is dead. Imagine most players don't want to risk not even getting a shot off. Also I don't really see the lacrosse goal on par with dunking. Unless you are doing crazy spins/alley oop off the glass to yourself. Which we don't see in games. Players generally just dunk the ball and go about business. Even in the NBA they don't really clown each other like that. Doing it in the NHL where hitting and fighting is allowed (to an extent, fighting obviously incurs a 5 minute penalty) would probably not be ideal. But again, I may be overthinking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Too much risk losing the puck, you have to keep that forward momentum otherwise the play is dead. Imagine most players don't want to risk not even getting a shot off. Also I don't really see the lacrosse goal on par with dunking. Unless you are doing crazy spins/alley oop off the glass to yourself. Which we don't see in games. Players generally just dunk the ball and go about business. Even in the NBA they don't really clown each other like that. Doing it in the NHL where hitting and fighting is allowed (to an extent, fighting obviously incurs a 5 minute penalty) would probably not be ideal. But again, I may be overthinking this. When we were kids, a very long time ago, we experimented with controlling the puck by forcing it to the ice with the tip of our old wooden sticks. Coaches got really angry, and the older players would cuss us out. The creativity was not at all encouraged. I think it's totally awesome the kids today are trying these new styles of controlling the puck. I hope there is an evolution in the game that way. Maybe not, be damn is sure makes for fun watching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: When we were kids, a very long time ago, we experimented with controlling the puck by forcing it to the ice with the tip of our old wooden sticks. Coaches got really angry, and the older players would cuss us out. The creativity was not at all encouraged. I think it's totally awesome the kids today are trying these new styles of controlling the puck. I hope there is an evolution in the game that way. Maybe not, be damn is sure makes for fun watching! Lacrosse goals are low quality plays. In the NHL the defenders wouldn't just sit there and let him make that play. Let alone let him make a play like that. It's not a matter of "I hate change because change is scary". It's a matter of that play doesn't happen in the NHL for a reason. Not cause it's creative and scary and we all hate it but because the time and space you get is limited, the defenders are bigger faster and stronger than in any other league, and cause flat out the play is hard to pull off consistently. He said himself he needed good ice and fresh tape. The ice in a lot of NHL rinks can be garbo, with all the concerts and other activities going on. If he can pull it off, sweet. I'll lose my mind seeing it. I just dunno if he should be out there actively trying to do it cause defenders may take offense to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Lacrosse goals are low quality plays. In the NHL the defenders wouldn't just sit there and let him make that play. Let alone let him make a play like that. It's not a matter of "I hate change because change is scary". It's a matter of that play doesn't happen in the NHL for a reason. Not cause it's creative and scary and we all hate it but because the time and space you get is limited, the defenders are bigger faster and stronger than in any other league, and cause flat out the play is hard to pull off consistently. He said himself he needed good ice and fresh tape. The ice in a lot of NHL rinks can be garbo, with all the concerts and other activities going on. If he can pull it off, sweet. I'll lose my mind seeing it. I just dunno if he should be out there actively trying to do it cause defenders may take offense to it. Guys in the NBA didn't like getting dunked on 50 years ago too. There was no forward pass in football. IMO it would be cool if the lacrosse method to control the puck became more prevalent. It may never, because the the impracticability you point out, but the game can evolve, and methods of controlling the puck is one area that has never really changes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Alflives said: is the lacrosse goal similar in its development (and acceptance) to what the dunk was in basketball 50 years ago? Maybe over the next years we will see the lacrosse goal more and more as a way to have a higher chance to beat the goalie, when so close? I'm surprised we don't see guys carrying the puck lacrosse style in the shoot out. Höglander sniffs armpit, "Watch this, guys...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alflives said: is the lacrosse goal similar in its development (and acceptance) to what the dunk was in basketball 50 years ago? Maybe over the next years we will see the lacrosse goal more and more as a way to have a higher chance to beat the goalie, when so close? I'm surprised we don't see guys carrying the puck lacrosse style in the shoot out. Basically this. Nils Jackie Moonlander. Edited October 30, 2019 by Borvat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, N7Nucks said: Lacrosse goals are low quality plays. In the NHL the defenders wouldn't just sit there and let him make that play. Let alone let him make a play like that. It's not a matter of "I hate change because change is scary". It's a matter of that play doesn't happen in the NHL for a reason. Not cause it's creative and scary and we all hate it but because the time and space you get is limited, the defenders are bigger faster and stronger than in any other league, and cause flat out the play is hard to pull off consistently. He said himself he needed good ice and fresh tape. The ice in a lot of NHL rinks can be garbo, with all the concerts and other activities going on. If he can pull it off, sweet. I'll lose my mind seeing it. I just dunno if he should be out there actively trying to do it cause defenders may take offense to it. Svechnikov had more time and space to pull it off for the first time in the NHL. Players have been trying it occasionally for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GoldenAlien Posted October 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) Who cares if Hoglander can or cannot score a lacrosse-style goal in the NHL? Nobody's winning the Art Ross by potting 50 of those. We're talking about a move that might work once every other season. It has no bearing on anything. The point is that he had the presence of mind to bypass the defenseman by using the back of the net to pass to himself, and the stickhandling skills to grab the puck and tuck it in on the far side. The creativity and puck control that he showed is what's promising. Those are attributes that could make him a 30 goal scorer in the NHL. This is why we can't have nice things. A prospect scores a pretty goal and suddenly he's going to lose his teeth the next time he tries it. Edited October 30, 2019 by GoldenAlien 2 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, GoldenAlien said: Who cares if Hoglander can or cannot score a lacrosse-style goal in the NHL? Nobody's winning the Art Ross by potting 50 of those. We're talking about a move that might work once every other season. It has no bearing on anything. The point is that he had the presence of mind to bypass the defenseman by using the back of the net to pass to himself, and the stickhandling skills to grab the puck and tuck it in on the far side. The creativity and puck control that he showed is what's promising. Those are attributes that could make him a 30 goal scorer in the NHL. This is why we can't have nice things. A prospect scores a pretty goal and suddenly he's going to lose his teeth the next time he tries it. Here's the thing IMO few NHL defensemen will be sucked in with the pass to himself off the back of the net. They'll be tight to him and will not give him the room to double back. It certainly looks good but it's the SEL, come on guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GoldenAlien Posted October 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Here's the thing IMO few NHL defensemen will be sucked in with the pass to himself off the back of the net. They'll be tight to him and will not give him the room to double back. It certainly looks good but it's the SEL, come on guy 1 3 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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