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gameburn Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 19 hours ago, austy said: Great game overall. Myers was a bit iffy though. I like him when he is skating with the puck, but he bobles the puck, gives up a few bit pizzas and gives up chances a fair bit. Hopefully settles soon. Yes, good with puck on attack... good shot, as we know. But he does seem to make a mistake or two, and I think his size maybe makes him vulnerable to the quick smaller players when they forecheck. We've all noticed the same with Chara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Bertuzzi changed the way the Canucks play the game. Since the incident, Canucks star players have had to fend for themselves after suffering dirty hits. I wonder if there is a strict team policy not to use violence as payback. I can't imagine that there is a declared policy, but who knows how teams work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 It was a special night to be a Canucks fan. Had to choke back the manly fan boy tears a little, especially for Bertuzzi. Just a great night to be in the building, enjoying it with many of the fans I've shared my section with since moving to Rogers Arena. Just a spectacular show from start to finish. Ran into lots of my hockey peeps from over the years to boot so it was a stellar night. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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-DLC- Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 19 hours ago, Haydnucks said: Bertuzzi has aged well, looks like he’s only like....hmmm....38 years old? Well.....it's a good life if you don't weaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Great story about Kirk Maclean https://www.nhl.com/news/kirk-mclean-memories-of-vancouver-fans-in-retro-return/c-309989648 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 18 hours ago, gameburn said: So many players could have been there... Linden of course was the most missed. Ohlund and Lumme among others … Salo too, Morrison... so many. You're in Europe? I've been watching football for a while -- the Bundesliga especially -- and am so impressed at the way the players there interact with the fans. Saw Munich's stars sign autograph after autograph, selfie after selfie. Unbelievable patience and availability. I wish we had their 50 plus 1 ownership rule. It would make hockey more affordable for one. Is it the same in Italy? I am not a football fan and just a tourist over here in Italy. What I see are soccer pitches the way we have ice arenas both inside and out. We came upon a ‘practice’ pitch the other day. About a tenth the size of a regulation pitch but surrounded by high fence and had night lights. Amazing. That at said I miss hockey and looking forward to getting back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: I am not a football fan and just a tourist over here in Italy. What I see are soccer pitches the way we have ice arenas both inside and out. We came upon a ‘practice’ pitch the other day. About a tenth the size of a regulation pitch but surrounded by high fence and had night lights. Amazing. That at said I miss hockey and looking forward to getting back. So, soccer is more of a participatory thing there. Probably very healthy. Smaller pitches would make sense -- a team could have as few as 5 on each side. Hockey is special. When I lived in Europe for a while, hockey was one of the things I missed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 8 hours ago, stawns said: I do think people tend to romanticize his time in Van..........he was one of the laziest, under motivated players that has played in Van. He was a frustrating player to cheer for because he would dominate for awhile and then disappear. And he was clinically allergic to backchecking and defense. That said, until "the incident" I did like having him play in Van. Loved his game, toe to toe, shoulder to shoulder, isn’t an easy task against some of the Defenders he did,. And I appreciate him more for the incident.. it’s just unfortunate that Moore was injured. Moores Obscene hit on Naslund was a nail in the coffin of Naslunds career,. Naslund was never the same player. Bertuzzi and Naslund were the very best of friends, brothers. Although the incident was alarming.. hockey is historical for it.. this from wiki,. And I don’t know why the Maurice “Rocket” Richard incident is not included. 1905 – Allan Loney was charged with manslaughter in the on-ice clubbing death of Alcide Laurin. Loney claimed self-defence, and was found not guilty.[5] 1907 – Ottawa Hockey Club players Harry Smith, Alf Smith and Charles Spittal were charged with assault after beating Montreal Wanderers players Hod Stuart, Ernie "Moose" Johnson and Cecil Blachford with their sticks. 1907 – Ottawa Victorias player Charles Massonwas charged with manslaughter after Cornwall player Owen McCourt died of a head wound sustained in a brawl. Masson was found not guilty on the grounds that there was no way to know which blow had killed McCourt.[6] 1908 – Charles Spittal (of Renfrew Riversides) arrested for knocking out Oren Frood of Pembroke (UOVHL), Jan. 17, 1908; charge withdrawn, Jan. 20, 1908 1922 – Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him. 1969 – In a pre-season game held in Ottawa, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St. Louis Blues engaged in a violent, stick-swinging brawl. A fractured skull and brain damage caused Green to miss the entire 1969–70 season.[7] The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and Green for 13 games. Both men were acquitted in court. 1975 – Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings was charged with assault causing bodily harm after he attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. In exchange for a no-contest plea, Maloney did community service work and was banned from playing in Toronto for two seasons. 1975 – Police charged Bruins player Dave Forbeswith aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ended with a hung jury, charges against Forbes were dropped. Boucha suffered blurred vision from the incident and never fully recovered. 1976 – Philadelphia Flyers players Joe Watson, Mel Bridgman, Don Saleski and Bob "Hound" Kellywere charged with assault after using their hockey sticks as weapons in a violent playoff game between the Flyers and the Toronto Maple Leafs in which fans had been taunting the Flyers players and spitting at them. Bridgman was acquitted, but the other three Flyers were found guilty of simple assault. 1976 – Calgary Cowboys forward Rick Jodzioplead guilty to a charge of assault following a cross-check to the head of Quebec Nordiquesplayer Marc Tardif during the World Hockey Association (WHA) playoffs. The hit led to a 20-minute bench clearing brawl.[8] 1977 – Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hit the Pittsburgh Penguins' Dennis Owcharwith his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted. 1982 – Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and sucker-punched Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner, breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Mann was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg. 1988 – Dino Ciccarelli hit Maple Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he was sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000. 1992 – Enrico Ciccone of the IHL's Kalamazoo Wings was arrested on a battery charge after San Diego Gulls photographer Essy Ghavameddini was cut and received a deep bruise below his left eye that required stitches. Ciccone assaulted him after entering the penalty box where Ghavameddini was photographing the game from.[9] 1998 – Jesse Boulerice of the Plymouth Whalerswas suspended for the rest of the playoffs after violently swinging his stick at Guelph Stormforward Andrew Long. Boulerice was charged with assault as a result of the incident. 2000 – Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear in the head with his stick in the waning moments of the game, after losing a fight to Brashear earlier in the game. McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon and given an 18-month conditional discharge. 2004 – In the Todd Bertuzzi–Steve Moore incident, Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks sucker-punched Moore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head, knocking him unconscious. The pair then fell to the ice with Bertuzzi's weight crushing Moore face-first into the ice, followed by several players from both teams further piling onto the mêlée. Moore sustained three fractured vertebrae, a grade three concussion, vertebral ligament damage, stretching of the brachial plexus nerves and facial lacerations. Bertuzzi was charged by police and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspension resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000. Bertuzzi was re-instated in 2005, after a 20 game suspension and an international ban during the 2004-05 lockout season. A civil suit filed by Moore, seeking CAD$68 million in damages and loss of income, was settled on August 19, 2014. The terms of this settlement are confidential. 2015 - During the warm up before a qualifier to the SHL, André Deveaux from Rögle BK assaulted Västerås IK's unsuspecting Per Helmersson. Deveaux swung his stick and slashed Helmersson twice. The attack was retaliation for a hit from behind by Helmersson in the game before, which Deveaux claimed caused him a minor concussion. Both players could complete both games, and Deveaux was only disciplined after the game.[10][11] Deveaux was charged for the attack, but the charges were later dropped.[12] 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman64 Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 10/9/2019 at 9:49 PM, xereau said: Its just a flesh wound! Right in the _____ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 8 hours ago, SilentSam said: Loved his game, toe to toe, shoulder to shoulder, isn’t an easy task against some of the Defenders he did,. And I appreciate him more for the incident.. it’s just unfortunate that Moore was injured. Moores Obscene hit on Naslund was a nail in the coffin of Naslunds career,. Naslund was never the same player. Bertuzzi and Naslund were the very best of friends, brothers. Although the incident was alarming.. hockey is historical for it.. this from wiki,. And I don’t know why the Maurice “Rocket” Richard incident is not included. 1905 – Allan Loney was charged with manslaughter in the on-ice clubbing death of Alcide Laurin. Loney claimed self-defence, and was found not guilty.[5] 1907 – Ottawa Hockey Club players Harry Smith, Alf Smith and Charles Spittal were charged with assault after beating Montreal Wanderers players Hod Stuart, Ernie "Moose" Johnson and Cecil Blachford with their sticks. 1907 – Ottawa Victorias player Charles Massonwas charged with manslaughter after Cornwall player Owen McCourt died of a head wound sustained in a brawl. Masson was found not guilty on the grounds that there was no way to know which blow had killed McCourt.[6] 1908 – Charles Spittal (of Renfrew Riversides) arrested for knocking out Oren Frood of Pembroke (UOVHL), Jan. 17, 1908; charge withdrawn, Jan. 20, 1908 1922 – Sprague Cleghorn injured three Ottawa Senators players in a brawl, leading Ottawa police to offer to arrest him. 1969 – In a pre-season game held in Ottawa, Ted Green of the Boston Bruins and Wayne Maki of the St. Louis Blues engaged in a violent, stick-swinging brawl. A fractured skull and brain damage caused Green to miss the entire 1969–70 season.[7] The NHL suspended Maki for 30 days and Green for 13 games. Both men were acquitted in court. 1975 – Dan Maloney of the Detroit Red Wings was charged with assault causing bodily harm after he attacked Brian Glennie of the Toronto Maple Leafs from behind. In exchange for a no-contest plea, Maloney did community service work and was banned from playing in Toronto for two seasons. 1975 – Police charged Bruins player Dave Forbeswith aggravated assault after a fight with Henry Boucha of the Minnesota North Stars. After a nine-day trial ended with a hung jury, charges against Forbes were dropped. Boucha suffered blurred vision from the incident and never fully recovered. 1976 – Philadelphia Flyers players Joe Watson, Mel Bridgman, Don Saleski and Bob "Hound" Kellywere charged with assault after using their hockey sticks as weapons in a violent playoff game between the Flyers and the Toronto Maple Leafs in which fans had been taunting the Flyers players and spitting at them. Bridgman was acquitted, but the other three Flyers were found guilty of simple assault. 1976 – Calgary Cowboys forward Rick Jodzioplead guilty to a charge of assault following a cross-check to the head of Quebec Nordiquesplayer Marc Tardif during the World Hockey Association (WHA) playoffs. The hit led to a 20-minute bench clearing brawl.[8] 1977 – Dave "Tiger" Williams of the Toronto Maple Leafs hit the Pittsburgh Penguins' Dennis Owcharwith his stick. He was charged with assault, but acquitted. 1982 – Jimmy Mann of the Winnipeg Jets left the bench and sucker-punched Pittsburgh Penguin Paul Gardner, breaking Gardner's jaw in two places. Mann was fined $500 and given a suspended sentence in Winnipeg. 1988 – Dino Ciccarelli hit Maple Leafs defenceman Luke Richardson with his stick. Charged and convicted of assault, he was sentenced to one day in jail and fined $1,000. 1992 – Enrico Ciccone of the IHL's Kalamazoo Wings was arrested on a battery charge after San Diego Gulls photographer Essy Ghavameddini was cut and received a deep bruise below his left eye that required stitches. Ciccone assaulted him after entering the penalty box where Ghavameddini was photographing the game from.[9] 1998 – Jesse Boulerice of the Plymouth Whalerswas suspended for the rest of the playoffs after violently swinging his stick at Guelph Stormforward Andrew Long. Boulerice was charged with assault as a result of the incident. 2000 – Marty McSorley of the Boston Bruins hit Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear in the head with his stick in the waning moments of the game, after losing a fight to Brashear earlier in the game. McSorley was convicted of assault with a weapon and given an 18-month conditional discharge. 2004 – In the Todd Bertuzzi–Steve Moore incident, Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks sucker-punched Moore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head, knocking him unconscious. The pair then fell to the ice with Bertuzzi's weight crushing Moore face-first into the ice, followed by several players from both teams further piling onto the mêlée. Moore sustained three fractured vertebrae, a grade three concussion, vertebral ligament damage, stretching of the brachial plexus nerves and facial lacerations. Bertuzzi was charged by police and given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty to assault causing bodily harm. His suspension resulted in a loss of $500,000 in pay and the Canucks were fined $250,000. Bertuzzi was re-instated in 2005, after a 20 game suspension and an international ban during the 2004-05 lockout season. A civil suit filed by Moore, seeking CAD$68 million in damages and loss of income, was settled on August 19, 2014. The terms of this settlement are confidential. 2015 - During the warm up before a qualifier to the SHL, André Deveaux from Rögle BK assaulted Västerås IK's unsuspecting Per Helmersson. Deveaux swung his stick and slashed Helmersson twice. The attack was retaliation for a hit from behind by Helmersson in the game before, which Deveaux claimed caused him a minor concussion. Both players could complete both games, and Deveaux was only disciplined after the game.[10][11] Deveaux was charged for the attack, but the charges were later dropped.[12] There's no rationalizing what he did, sorry. It's a mark he can never get rid of and there's no point arguing about it. I was happy to see him skate out on the ice on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, stawns said: There's no rationalizing what he did, sorry. It's a mark he can never get rid of and there's no point arguing about it. I was happy to see him skate out on the ice on Wednesday. There's no rationalizing "for you". But most people look at things in a big picture way, not in isolation. He reacted .... wasn't a stick swing..was a punch. There are many marks that should never be rid of....a recent one was a rookie being slammed to the ice WWE style. Moore was "slammed to the ice" and then dogpiled...we don't even know for certain when the injury was sustained in that. Not sure why a gloved punch that came with the warning of a jersey tug is any worse than a Matheson slam of a kid new to the game is. People do things in a moment in a heated game that they shouldn't. The outcome...that's what decided it. If Moore got up it wouldn't have been much of anything. This isn't about Bert....but he was painted a monster and some of us see the man...not much different than any other man. It was ugly...but sometimes the NHL is. You just romanticized the physical (violent) aspect things in a statement about "boring" hockey these days. You did suggest "physical battles" versus fighting, however, you can't really have one without the other. These aren't robots, they're human beings and emotion creeps in with that intensity in "heated physical battles". Sometimes it carries over (often?). When a guy slams another guy into the boards, it often doesn't start and end there. Can't have your cake and eat it too - some of it will be damaging. Moore did something that hurt someone. Bert did something that hurt someone. Matheson did something that hurt someone. We cherry pick because one guy stayed down and didn't come back to the game....that's luck that decides it. (And lawsuits). The WCE was special for a reason...Bert was a big part of that. Even if you feel he was the weakest link in that, "you're only as strong as" and they were strong. "He was one of the laziest, under motivated players that has played in Van". Not even close to being true. His demeanour wasn't "fired up and woo ready to go" but he was a force. You just seem silly even trying to dispute that, especially when you add that you like him playing here. Why would you if that was true? I saw an entire arena of fans show their true feelings so maybe they aren't all wrong? We romanticize, possibly, because we keep it all in context. There's no point arguing about it though (is that how it works?). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 42 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: There's no rationalizing "for you". But most people look at things in a big picture way, not in isolation. He reacted .... wasn't a stick swing..was a punch. There are many marks that should never be rid of....a recent one was a rookie being slammed to the ice WWE style. Moore was "slammed to the ice" and then dogpiled...we don't even know for certain when the injury was sustained in that. Not sure why a gloved punch that came with the warning of a jersey tug is any worse than a Matheson slam of a kid new to the game is. People do things in a moment in a heated game that they shouldn't. The outcome...that's what decided it. If Moore got up it wouldn't have been much of anything. This isn't about Bert....but he was painted a monster and some of us see the man...not much different than any other man. It was ugly...but sometimes the NHL is. You just romanticized the physical (violent) aspect things in a statement about "boring" hockey these days. You did suggest "physical battles" versus fighting, however, you can't really have one without the other. These aren't robots, they're human beings and emotion creeps in with that intensity in "heated physical battles". Sometimes it carries over (often?). When a guy slams another guy into the boards, it often doesn't start and end there. Can't have your cake and eat it too - some of it will be damaging. Moore did something that hurt someone. Bert did something that hurt someone. Matheson did something that hurt someone. We cherry pick because one guy stayed down and didn't come back to the game....that's luck that decides it. (And lawsuits). The WCE was special for a reason...Bert was a big part of that. Even if you feel he was the weakest link in that, "you're only as strong as" and they were strong. "He was one of the laziest, under motivated players that has played in Van". Not even close to being true. His demeanour wasn't "fired up and woo ready to go" but he was a force. You just seem silly even trying to dispute that, especially when you add that you like him playing here. Why would you if that was true? I saw an entire arena of fans show their true feelings so maybe they aren't all wrong? We romanticize, possibly, because we keep it all in context. There's no point arguing about it though (is that how it works?). Quoted because it speaks for almost all of us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Putgolzin Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 12 hours ago, SilentSam said: Moores Obscene hit on Naslund was a nail in the coffin of Naslunds career,. Naslund was never the same player. I suppose I’m nitpicking your post that I otherwise agree with...but Naslund was still great after the incident. He was great in that years playoffs. The following year he was a point per game player as a 32 year old. Age did him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 3 hours ago, nzan said: I suppose I’m nitpicking your post that I otherwise agree with...but Naslund was still great after the incident. He was great in that years playoffs. The following year he was a point per game player as a 32 year old. Age did him in. He lost something after that imo: verve, precision shooting? Not sure. You do have a point though: very difficult to assess a player's decline after 32 years of age. Age and injury often compound each other? even there I'm not sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 4 hours ago, nzan said: I suppose I’m nitpicking your post that I otherwise agree with...but Naslund was still great after the incident. He was great in that years playoffs. The following year he was a point per game player as a 32 year old. Age did him in. How- ever he scored goals,. He was never the same player,. Seemed to become the shell of the Captain/Player he was.. that same season you speak of I see he was a career high -19.. Im not much into numbers or analytics from the bless-Ed “goal scoring” types, I am more into viewing the energy, tenacity and leadership by example of intelligent game play. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, SilentSam said: How- ever he scored goals,. He was never the same player,. Seemed to become the shell of the Captain/Player he was.. that same season you speak of I see he was a career high -19.. Im not much into numbers or analytics from the bless-Ed “goal scoring” types, I am more into viewing the energy, tenacity and leadership by example of intelligent game play. Fair enough - still, if I had to choose an aging Swedish winger making $6m on a coffin-nailed-shut career I’d prefer the PPG variety Edited October 13, 2019 by nzan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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