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[crobar]

                The prospects you are talking about were drafted by Benning. How does this give JR/PA the midas touch?

Edited October 15, 2022 by crobar

[Podz92]

16 minutes ago, crobar said:

                The prospects you are talking about were drafted by Benning. How does this give JR/PA the midas touch?

I was thinking of players such as Filip Johansson as well as Bemning's picks.....and quite a few of Benning's picks have taken big steps in the last 6 months.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Podz92 said:

I was thinking of players such as Filip Johansson as well as Bemning's picks.....and quite a few of Benning's picks have taken big steps in the last 6 months.

We finally have a semblance of a development program that's given our prospects some tangible guidance and confidence.  

 

[Captain Canuck #12]

7 hours ago, crobar said:

                The prospects you are talking about were drafted by Benning. How does this give JR/PA the midas touch?

      Maybe by osmosis??

Edited October 15, 2022 by Captain Canuck #12

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[Boudrias]

Really liked his play in the WJC. Canucks developing some depth on the d-side. 

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Obviously Michigan is a powerhouse team with lots of offensive weapons, but it’s great to see Truscott racking up the points the way he is this year.

Him outpacing his D partner (and an elite prospect) in Luke Hughes, who’s only one draft class younger, is also a really good indicator.

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[RayCathode]

On 10/14/2022 at 5:23 PM, crobar said:

                The prospects you are talking about were drafted by Benning. How does this give JR/PA the midas touch?

No question that some JB picks were/and are promising, but there are three big problems - he traded away far too many draft slots for the opportunity to waste cap on the Beagle, Roussels of the world and our development system was a disaster, and lastly, he gave up on his picks way too soon (McCann, Forsling, and so on). All of this, in my opinion, was to satisfy ownership's urgent need for immediate mediocrity. 

 

Not a good strategy if you strive for excellence.

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[Fanuck]

7 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Further to this bizarre story:

 

https://www.michigandaily.com/ice-hockey/steve-holtz-hospitalized-amid-wave-of-michigan-hockey-illness/

 

Steven Holtz hospitalized amid wave of Michigan hockey illness

 

For the third week in a row, the No. 3 Michigan hockey team will play short its full roster because of illness. But this time, it’s a lot more alarming.

Junior defenseman Steven Holtz was admitted to the Michigan hospital’s intensive care unit early this week, according to a Facebook post by his mother. Additional details were not given.

A Michigan spokesperson denied request for comment on the grounds of HIPAA.

Holtz hasn’t played since Nov. 5 against No. 6 Penn State, missing last week’s series against No. 20 Notre Dame.

Notably, Michigan canceled practice and media availability Tuesday afternoon, though Michigan assistant coach Rob Rassey filled in for Michigan coach Brandon Naurato on his weekly radio show at Pretzel Bell.

Two weeks ago against the Nittany Lions, junior goaltender Erik Portillo was unavailable thanks to an illness, causing junior backup Noah West to take those starts. Whether the illnesses are connected is unknown, but it shows that the Wolverines have dealt with health issues for at least three weeks now.

But now, it’s a lot more serious with Holtz in the hospital. And with a teammate in Holtz’s condition, it will be a lot harder for Michigan to focus on its heavyweight series with No. 2 Minnesota that begins Thursday night. No plans to cancel the game have been announced as of 1 p.m., and the Wolverines’ social media channels have continued to promote the game.

 

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18 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Further to this bizarre story:

 

https://www.michigandaily.com/ice-hockey/steve-holtz-hospitalized-amid-wave-of-michigan-hockey-illness/

 

Steven Holtz hospitalized amid wave of Michigan hockey illness

 

For the third week in a row, the No. 3 Michigan hockey team will play short its full roster because of illness. But this time, it’s a lot more alarming.

Junior defenseman Steven Holtz was admitted to the Michigan hospital’s intensive care unit early this week, according to a Facebook post by his mother. Additional details were not given.

A Michigan spokesperson denied request for comment on the grounds of HIPAA.

Holtz hasn’t played since Nov. 5 against No. 6 Penn State, missing last week’s series against No. 20 Notre Dame.

Notably, Michigan canceled practice and media availability Tuesday afternoon, though Michigan assistant coach Rob Rassey filled in for Michigan coach Brandon Naurato on his weekly radio show at Pretzel Bell.

Two weeks ago against the Nittany Lions, junior goaltender Erik Portillo was unavailable thanks to an illness, causing junior backup Noah West to take those starts. Whether the illnesses are connected is unknown, but it shows that the Wolverines have dealt with health issues for at least three weeks now.

But now, it’s a lot more serious with Holtz in the hospital. And with a teammate in Holtz’s condition, it will be a lot harder for Michigan to focus on its heavyweight series with No. 2 Minnesota that begins Thursday night. No plans to cancel the game have been announced as of 1 p.m., and the Wolverines’ social media channels have continued to promote the game.

 

It got so bad that Michigan dressed their third string goalie (Tyler Shea) as a forward last night. Gutsy effort for the team to even show up. They lost (as expected) 5-2. Probably should have canceled and rescheduled, given the illness ravaging the team.

[Fanuck]

1 hour ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

It got so bad that Michigan dressed their third string goalie (Tyler Shea) as a forward last night. Gutsy effort for the team to even show up. They lost (as expected) 5-2. Probably should have canceled and rescheduled, given the illness ravaging the team.

Gutsy for sure, but maybe not the most cautious approach by coaching staff to ice an undermanned squad ravaged by illness. 

I'm surprised, based on recent history (covid) that NCAA officials didn't have a say in this and if they did - they were ok with allowing this to go ahead?

[Dazzle]

On 11/13/2022 at 11:13 AM, RayCathode said:

No question that some JB picks were/and are promising, but there are three big problems - he traded away far too many draft slots for the opportunity to waste cap on the Beagle, Roussels of the world and our development system was a disaster, and lastly, he gave up on his picks way too soon (McCann, Forsling, and so on). All of this, in my opinion, was to satisfy ownership's urgent need for immediate mediocrity. 

 

Not a good strategy if you strive for excellence.

Let's be honest though - all three are/were established players. At the time, Beagle was just fresh off a cup win and would've solidified the center position, along with Sutter. Roussel actually played well for his first year. It's too easy to point the blame now after the fact.

 

While the development system did not pan out as thought, the hindsight analysis of "traded away far too many draft picks" would not have made sense at the time of the trade. Eriksson, for example, was having a phenomenal year prior to him coming. If anything, Benning got a bunch of duds all at the same time. It's his fault, and it's also not his fault. Furthermore, Eriksson was not the only FA that year to bust out.

 

Clendening was a terrible trade for us in hindsight, but he was producing excellent AHL numbers as a defenseman. Forsling on the other hand was a 5th rounder. Promising? Yes. But again, we only see these results after the fact. How did we know that Forsling would be a "sure thing"? And if we're talking about giving up on players too early, how would we know that Virtanen wouldn't produce when we re-signed him? All signs suggested that he had turned the corner that previous year.

 

It is very difficult to assess people/players, certainly not nearly as easy as pointing them out now.

[AK_19]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

Let's be honest though - all three are/were established players. At the time, Beagle was just fresh off a cup win and would've solidified the center position, along with Sutter. Roussel actually played well for his first year. It's too easy to point the blame now after the fact.

 

While the development system did not pan out as thought, the hindsight analysis of "traded away far too many draft picks" would not have made sense at the time of the trade. Eriksson, for example, was having a phenomenal year prior to him coming. If anything, Benning got a bunch of duds all at the same time. It's his fault, and it's also not his fault. Furthermore, Eriksson was not the only FA that year to bust out.

 

Clendening was a terrible trade for us in hindsight, but he was producing excellent AHL numbers as a defenseman. Forsling on the other hand was a 5th rounder. Promising? Yes. But again, we only see these results after the fact. How did we know that Forsling would be a "sure thing"? And if we're talking about giving up on players too early, how would we know that Virtanen wouldn't produce when we re-signed him? All signs suggested that he had turned the corner that previous year.

 

It is very difficult to assess people/players, certainly not nearly as easy as pointing them out now.

 

It's almost like we expect our GM to be able to assess talent better than other GMs. 

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4 hours ago, Fanuck said:

Gutsy for sure, but maybe not the most cautious approach by coaching staff to ice an undermanned squad ravaged by illness. 

I'm surprised, based on recent history (covid) that NCAA officials didn't have a say in this and if they did - they were ok with allowing this to go ahead?

Yeah, my praise was reserved for the players.

 

Not too impressed by the decisions made by the higher ups in charge. Seems like an obvious cancel and reschedule situation.

 

And they play tonight too IIRC. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME

[RayCathode]

On 11/18/2022 at 10:55 AM, Dazzle said:

Let's be honest though - all three are/were established players. At the time, Beagle was just fresh off a cup win and would've solidified the center position, along with Sutter. Roussel actually played well for his first year. It's too easy to point the blame now after the fact.

 

While the development system did not pan out as thought, the hindsight analysis of "traded away far too many draft picks" would not have made sense at the time of the trade. Eriksson, for example, was having a phenomenal year prior to him coming. If anything, Benning got a bunch of duds all at the same time. It's his fault, and it's also not his fault. Furthermore, Eriksson was not the only FA that year to bust out.

 

Clendening was a terrible trade for us in hindsight, but he was producing excellent AHL numbers as a defenseman. Forsling on the other hand was a 5th rounder. Promising? Yes. But again, we only see these results after the fact. How did we know that Forsling would be a "sure thing"? And if we're talking about giving up on players too early, how would we know that Virtanen wouldn't produce when we re-signed him? All signs suggested that he had turned the corner that previous year.

 

It is very difficult to assess people/players, certainly not nearly as easy as pointing them out now.

Roussel and Beagle were 3 mil 4th line players compared with Lazar, Amon, and Joshua at a mil or less. It is extremely unlikely that they were even marginally better. The 4 mil plus excess spent on just those two players and using a Burroughs rather than a Stillman, for instance, buys a Mikheyev.  Eriksson was 31 when JB gave him a 6year 6 mil contract. Most players enter a rapid decline in performance after 29 - it was inevitable that this contract would not age well. Much better to sink in the standings and acquire draft picks to generate new players - especially wingers like Roussel and Eriksson. Then there is the Pearson contract - another massive mistake. The fact that there were more deals like the Eriksson deal that ended badly, is just more evidence that those (big money to aging players) are not the kind of deals to enter into.

We still haven't even gotten to the worst of these errors - the OEL deal. OEL already had years of declining production, yet JB went after him with a single-minded obsession that is almost incomprehensible. Yet, we have the new management duplicating the worst of Benning's mistakes - the Miller contract is just as likely to not age well as the ERIKSSON deal, yet here we are. 

Anyone watching the World juniors in which Forsling competed was able to observe a very promising pick, there was no urgent need to move him. Drafting players is already somewhat of a crap shoot (the odds improve with superior scouting and player development) but you waste all of your gains when you move the prospects with promise.

As for the Virtanen draft year, on the consensus of draft rankings, Virtanen was 16th, so taking him at 5 was a serious overreach. This was offset somewhat by picking up McCann at 24 while his consensus ranking was 11th. But, it was McCann, the center, that was traded along with a second and a fourth for Gudbranson - a player that was entirely useless in Vancouver. Now the 2016 pick that Florida took was a washout, but the very next player taken was Alex DeBriincat.

2014 NHL Draft Prospect Consensus Rankings (mynhldraft.com)