Coronavirus outbreak

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6 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Hopefully it doesn’t get as bad as Rick’s world did. 

I get that &^@#ing sword!!!

 

 

[nuckin_futz]

Trudeau says 'millions' of Canadians to receive income support

Tue 17 Mar 2020 13:13:06 GMT

 

Comments from the Canadian PM on local radio

• Fiscal measures coming, likely tomorrow
• Range of tools available
• Tax credits and boosting the child benefit are options

The costs are going to be staggering.

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[nuckin_futz]

Canada's largest province closes all bars, restaurants and bans events of more than 50 people

Tue 17 Mar 2020 12:47:57 GMT

 

40% of Canadians live in Ontario

The Canadian province of Ontario has declared a state of emergency and closes all bars, restaurants, theatres and concert venues immediately.

The Premier said 'no expense' will be spared to fight the virus and said it was setting up 25 more testing centres.

[Ghostsof1915]

2 hours ago, Jaimito said:

Here is a podcast interview with an Italian doctor.  For comparison, VGH has about 1000 beds and a small percentage of that is ICU, less than 40. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/podcasts/the-daily/italy-coronavirus.html

 

When I had my stroke, ER was a gurney in a hallway with about 5 other people. We are chronically understaffed and my hats off to hospital staff. 

We need better funding and the province should be working with the doctors, and nurses and specialists to find ways to improve capacity.

 

Paramedics shouldn't be making choices of which hospital to send a patient to. When I heard the paramedics say "If we take him to Richmond General they will probably give him some gravol and send him home.....I think he's had a stroke, let's get him to VGH." 

 

Quite possibly that saved my life long term. You should be able to get good care regardless of the hospital. 

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14 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Trudeau says 'millions' of Canadians to receive income support

Tue 17 Mar 2020 13:13:06 GMT

 

Comments from the Canadian PM on local radio

• Fiscal measures coming, likely tomorrow
• Range of tools available
• Tax credits and boosting the child benefit are options

The costs are going to be staggering.

Yet he refuses to shut down the US border so, really, he isn't doing a whole lot to seriously address this (for a few weeks at least?).

 

We are all self isolating but hey...come on down from Washington State, business as usual.

[coastal.view]

11 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

Yet he refuses to shut down the US border so, really, he isn't doing a whole lot to seriously address this (for a few weeks at least?).

 

We are all self isolating but hey...come on down from Washington State, business as usual.

virus is contracted by close contact

not sure why if someone comes from downtown van

or washington state

their place of origin

might change that transmission process ?
 

cross border travel becomes more risky

depending on the mode of travel

if we put everyone in a small cabin to get them across the border

then yeah

those people likely are higher risk and we are releasing the whole risky cabin of people

on general society

if someone drives up from wa state in their car alone

i see no additional risk issues

 

no matter who you meet

practice social distancing

and wash hands regularly

at some point the majority of people will be exposed

the goal is to prevent that from happening to all at the same time

we are trying to stretch out the exposure period

so that there is not a spike in infection rates

that is really all that the goal is

 

people's place of origin

does not do much to alter the risk of spread of this virus

 

it is any person

who does self discipline

whether that person is local or from elsewhere

that person is critical

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[HI5]

With all these companies offering no payment or payment plans..does this mean people can eventually expect massive bills with interest later?

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29 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

virus is contracted by close contact

not sure why if someone comes from downtown van

or washington state

their place of origin

might change that transmission process ?
 

cross border travel becomes more risky

depending on the mode of travel

if we put everyone in a small cabin to get them across the border

then yeah

those people likely are higher risk and we are releasing the whole risky cabin of people

on general society

if someone drives up from wa state in their car alone

i see no additional risk issues

 

no matter who you meet

practice social distancing

and wash hands regularly

at some point the majority of people will be exposed

the goal is to prevent that from happening to all at the same time

we are trying to stretch out the exposure period

so that there is not a spike in infection rates

that is really all that the goal is

 

people's place of origin

does not do much to alter the risk of spread of this virus

 

it is any person

who does self discipline

whether that person is local or from elsewhere

that person is critical

It increases the volume/numbers - it's not about "where they're from" it's about limiting how many people are moving around, touching things, sneezing/coughing on surfaces.

 

In order to prevent this from happening at the same time, doesn't it make sense to shut things down in order to facilitate that?  To decrease the population that's out and about.   Washington State is in a bit of a spike...so why increase our numbers by way of a border?  People coming up here aren't doing so to be isolated...they're here to do stuff.

 

A few weeks of shutdown could possibly go a long way.

 

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so that there is not a spike in infection rates

this doesn't seem the best plan toward that.  The more people, the more chance of a spike.

 

[TheRussianRocket1994]

1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said:

It increases the volume/numbers - it's not about "where they're from" it's about limiting how many people are moving around, touching things, sneezing/coughing on surfaces.

 

In order to prevent this from happening at the same time, doesn't it make sense to shut things down in order to facilitate that?  To decrease the population that's out and about.   Washington State is in a bit of a spike...so why increase our numbers by way of a border?  People coming up here aren't doing so to be isolated...they're here to do stuff.

 

A few weeks of shutdown could possibly go a long way.

Exactly! Seems pretty straight forward to me.

[coastal.view]

2 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said:

It increases the volume/numbers - it's not about "where they're from" it's about limiting how many people are moving around, touching things, sneezing/coughing on surfaces.

 

In order to prevent this from happening at the same time, doesn't it make sense to shut things down in order to facilitate that?  To decrease the population that's out and about.   Washington State is in a bit of a spike...so why increase our numbers by way of a border?  People coming up here aren't doing so to be isolated...they're here to do stuff.

 

A few weeks of shutdown could possibly go a long way.

keeping borders open does not add numbers

there will not be a rush of numbers to this area as a result of open borders

the numbers overall remain relatively constant

 

this border issue is a red hearing

the WHO has already stated this

 

but politicians

and individuals

keep going back to it

 

it is based on misplaced fears

and a need "to do something"

it is not smart or thoughtful planning

but just something that people can feel good about

 

there are no real gains realized

from this border restriction step

but so many still want it done

 

people need to put their focus and energy into what works

transmission prevention

which happens from closer contact (and surfaces)

social distancing and hand washing

borders have so little to do with these issues

 

 

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keeping borders open does not add numbers

You lost me here.  

[Ryan Strome]

9 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

keeping borders open does not add numbers

there will not be a rush of numbers to this area as a result of open borders

the numbers overall remain relatively constant

 

this border issue is a red hearing

the WHO has already stated this

 

but politicians

and individuals

keep going back to it

 

it is based on misplaced fears

and a need "to do something"

it is not smart or thoughtful planning

but just something that people can feel good about

 

there are no real gains realized

from this border restriction step

but so many still want it done

 

people need to put their focus and energy into what works

transmission prevention

which happens from closer contact (and surfaces)

social distancing and hand washing

borders have so little to do with these issues

 

 

Interesting maybe read up on Taiwan. @debluvscanucks is absolutely correct. 

 

The only reason he isn't closing the border is he doesn't want to aggravate the Americans, however his first priority should be keeping Canadians safe.

[nuckin_futz]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Interesting maybe read up on Taiwan. @debluvscanucks is absolutely correct. 

 

The only reason he isn't closing the border is he doesn't want to aggravate the Americans, however his first priority should be keeping Canadians safe.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I bet there's hardly anyone crossing the border now. Anyone here planing to go do a little shopping at Bellis Fair this weekend? Didn't think so. The economic fallout of this is going to be massive. Beyond what anyone can imagine. And we just lost our oil industry for the most part.

 

We live right beside the world's only true super power. We are David , they are Goliath. We need them way more than they need us. And that will be true more than ever when we're coming out of this. Sadly, we are in no position to piss them off.

 

 

[Ryan Strome]

Just now, nuckin_futz said:

Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I bet there's hardly anyone crossing the border now. Anyone here planing to go do a little shopping at Bellis Fair this weekend? Didn't think so. The economic fallout of this is going to be massive. Beyond what anyone can imagine. And we just lost our oil industry for the most part.

 

We live right beside the world's only true super power. We are David , they are Goliath. We need them way more than they need us. And that will be true more than ever when we're coming out of this. Sadly, we are in no position to piss them off.

 

 

But rather than Trudeau supporters making up nonsense why not just come out and say what you did?

[nuckin_futz]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

But rather than Trudeau supporters making up nonsense why not just come out and say what you did?

It's pretty obvious isn't it?

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7 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I bet there's hardly anyone crossing the border now. Anyone here planing to go do a little shopping at Bellis Fair this weekend? Didn't think so. The economic fallout of this is going to be massive. Beyond what anyone can imagine. And we just lost our oil industry for the most part.

 

We live right beside the world's only true super power. We are David , they are Goliath. We need them way more than they need us. And that will be true more than ever when we're coming out of this. Sadly, we are in no position to piss them off.

 

 

You can't rule from a position of weakness like that - especially when "protecting Canadians".  Protect them now, don't spare them from the wrath of Donald later. 

 

Justin's stood his ground before on lesser urgent matters.  See:  "softwood lumber" for an example.

[nuckin_futz]

1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said:

You can't rule from a position of weakness like that - especially when "protecting Canadians".  Protect them now, don't spare them from the wrath of Donald later. 

 

He's stood his ground before on lesser urgent matters.

We are in a position of weakness. They are ten times our size.

 

Yes, he stood his ground against the Saudi's human rights abuses. They flipped their lid and retaliated and now the Saudi's have destroyed our oil industry. That's what happens when we punch above our weight.

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1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said:

Trudeau says 'millions' of Canadians to receive income support

Tue 17 Mar 2020 13:13:06 GMT

 

Comments from the Canadian PM on local radio

• Fiscal measures coming, likely tomorrow
• Range of tools available
• Tax credits and boosting the child benefit are options

The costs are going to be staggering.

I have been trying to think of all the types of workers that will really struggle. The types that rely on close human contact. Beautician, massage therapist, physiotherapist, chiropractor, etc. They will have it tough.

 

Once this is over I will be booking appointments with those types of services so I can help boost them back up.