Provost Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: would it not be better to try and do the reverse and trade Eriksson for a LTIR contract as the Canucks already have to function under LTIR What benefit would there be for the other team? That would likely cost us more than just offloading Eriksson on his own. The other team loses LTIR space they could use to sign or bring up a replacement player AND they have to absorb $6 million in cap hit for Eriksson who is likely sitting on the bench. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: Now that is some serious maneuvering Lets play that one out The Canucks first have to find a team that has a LTIR player who will take Eriksson Then the Canucks would have to trader Ferland and LTIR player just acquired to Tampa for enough contract amount to make it worth both Canucks and TBL wild I think we just simply either waive or buyout Eriksson personally. But Ferland for Killorn and/or Beagle+Roussel (if both are indeed LTIR) for Palat could easily make LOTS of sense for both clubs. And Tampa paid Ottawa a 2nd on top of that IIRC, to clear about $3.5m. If we're helping them clear $4+for 2 years or $5+ for 1 (or almost $10m if we did both).... Edited May 30, 2021 by aGENT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: The problem with this is Beagle could return half way into the season. What this doesn't say is he will be out all season. Yeah, none of us knows (with him or Roussel). There's been lots of scuttlebutt that he's done though. But we'll know when we know. Ferland on the other hand, I think is pretty safe to call... Edited May 30, 2021 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: I like Danault he is my second option. I don't like Motte on 3rd line but you have improved the defense if you can get either Savard or Larsson and In a flat cap era trade-offs are a must. So I can except it. You are betting on Beagle to be on LTIR all season that we do not know for sure is the case I can life with that assumption. But have no clue where you get Roussel on LTIR. If he isn't I don't see how you can make your line-up work If Beagle is fit, we do not re-sign Sutter. Isn't Roussel injured right now? Maybe he will start the season on LTIR. Even if he is fit, it shouldn't be too difficult to adjust the numbers of other signings so that the numbers work out -- half million less here and there should do. Note that I've also rounded the salaries up for the most part. For example, I'm counting all the young guys' salaries as being 1 mil for ease of calculation (eg., Hog, Podz, OJ, Rathbone, etc) even though their salaries are lower than 1 mil. We can also sign a cheaper backup goalie -- if MDP is ready, that saves us some money too. I'd say signing a 3C is a priority as we seem to agree (whether its Granlund or Danault). But where I disagree with you is on the defence. I'd rather let the young kids compete out for spots and use the money to get a quality RD partner for Hughes. Also, in your original post, you penciled in Hamonic but did not specify his cap. Are you assuming that we re-sign him at his current salary of 1.25? I somehow think that's unlikely and he will look for a raise. Besides, considering how terrible Hughes was defensively, it's clear to me that Hamonic was not able to cover up for Hughes all that much. I'm all for brining Hamonic back, especially at 1.25 but he should be playing lower in the depth chart and we definitely need to upgrade on Hamonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Provost said: What benefit would there be for the other team? That would likely cost us more than just offloading Eriksson on his own. The other team loses LTIR space they could use to sign or bring up a replacement player AND they have to absorb $6 million in cap hit for Eriksson who is likely sitting on the bench. It would have to be an Ott type situation where the owner would rather pay a guy to play even if Eriksson is only a forth line winger I think it would be impossible to find a situation like that with out having to give something up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, khay said: If Beagle is fit, we do not re-sign Sutter. Isn't Roussel injured right now? Maybe he will start the season on LTIR. Even if he is fit, it shouldn't be too difficult to adjust the numbers of other signings so that the numbers work out -- half million less here and there should do. Note that I've also rounded the salaries up for the most part. For example, I'm counting all the young guys' salaries as being 1 mil for ease of calculation (eg., Hog, Podz, OJ, Rathbone, etc) even though their salaries are lower than 1 mil. We can also sign a cheaper backup goalie -- if MDP is ready, that saves us some money too. I'd say signing a 3C is a priority as we seem to agree (whether its Granlund or Danault). But where I disagree with you is on the defence. I'd rather let the young kids compete out for spots and use the money to get a quality RD partner for Hughes. Also, in your original post, you penciled in Hamonic but did not specify his cap. Are you assuming that we re-sign him at his current salary of 1.25? I somehow think that's unlikely and he will look for a raise. Besides, considering how terrible Hughes was defensively, it's clear to me that Hamonic was not able to cover up for Hughes all that much. I'm all for brining Hamonic back, especially at 1.25 but he should be playing lower in the depth chart and we definitely need to upgrade on Hamonic. My mistake on Hamonic I had him at 2 years for 1.75 mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share Posted May 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, khay said: If Beagle is fit, we do not re-sign Sutter. Isn't Roussel injured right now? Maybe he will start the season on LTIR. Even if he is fit, it shouldn't be too difficult to adjust the numbers of other signings so that the numbers work out -- half million less here and there should do. Note that I've also rounded the salaries up for the most part. For example, I'm counting all the young guys' salaries as being 1 mil for ease of calculation (eg., Hog, Podz, OJ, Rathbone, etc) even though their salaries are lower than 1 mil. We can also sign a cheaper backup goalie -- if MDP is ready, that saves us some money too. I'd say signing a 3C is a priority as we seem to agree (whether its Granlund or Danault). But where I disagree with you is on the defence. I'd rather let the young kids compete out for spots and use the money to get a quality RD partner for Hughes. Also, in your original post, you penciled in Hamonic but did not specify his cap. Are you assuming that we re-sign him at his current salary of 1.25? I somehow think that's unlikely and he will look for a raise. Besides, considering how terrible Hughes was defensively, it's clear to me that Hamonic was not able to cover up for Hughes all that much. I'm all for brining Hamonic back, especially at 1.25 but he should be playing lower in the depth chart and we definitely need to upgrade on Hamonic. I think the only way The Canucks can improve the defense is if you go way cheaper on the 3rd line right winger and not have Hamonic re-sign I had him at 1.75 mill. that gives you 3.5+1.75=5.25-1.00=4.25mill minus a mil for a cheap winger on the 3rd line and you have 4.25mill to fill a RD spot for Hughes Under a flat cap era everything is a trade off either way you are looking at a top 4 dman or a top 9 forward. One spot is going to take a hit Edited May 30, 2021 by Arrow 1983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 20 minutes ago, aGENT said: There's been more than this (and lots of radio etc discussion around it) but this was the quickest one I found: On the positive side (or negative side, depending on how you view having a $3M 4C in the lineup), Drance recently said on the Vancast (about 20min into the May 26th podcast) that there’s a “pretty widespread organizational view that Beagle will not end up on LTI for next season.” Apparently Beagle will be seen by a specialist over the summer and recent indications are that he’s now expected to recover and play next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, khay said: Besides, considering how terrible Hughes was defensively, it's clear to me that Hamonic was not able to cover up for Hughes all that much. I'm all for brining Hamonic back, especially at 1.25 but he should be playing lower in the depth chart and we definitely need to upgrade on Hamonic. By the time Hamonic shook off the not playing in a year, and then getting injured, rust, while parachuting in to a team playing like tire fire due to a lack of preseason/practice/rest and no chemistry... They actually started to look much better together in that middle stretch, before the team then got knocked back down on the mat with the Covid outbreak. Long term, contending in a couple years, I agree, we need an upgrade there. Short term as a 2'ish year fill in... I'd think they'd be fine now that they have some chemistry, less rust and will presumably get a regular preseason, practice schedule etc next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: On the positive side (or negative side, depending on how you view having a $3M 4C in the lineup), Drance recently said on the Vancast (about 20min into the May 26th podcast) that there’s a “pretty widespread organizational view that Beagle will not end up on LTI for next season.” Apparently Beagle will be seen by a specialist over the summer and recent indications are that he’s now expected to recover and play next season. On a positive note, that leaves us not scrambling to find our PK C next year or dealing in LTIR finances with him. And it also leaves open the targeting of Jenner in the '22 offseason, which makes me happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, aGENT said: On a positive note, that leaves us not scrambling to find our PK C next year or dealing in LTIR finances with him. And it also leaves open the targeting of Jenner in the '22 offseason, which makes me happy There are so many balls in the air right now, when it comes to how the 2021-22 roster will be fleshed out. I’m not even willing to take a stab a spitballing lineups for next season, never mind targets for 2022-23. Need to see where the Pettersson and Hughes extensions come in, what happens in expansion, who’s healthy, and who is bought out (or terminated). So many moving parts! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: I think the only way The Canucks can improve the defense is if you go way cheaper on the 3rd line right winger and not have Hamonic re-sign I had him at 1.75 mill. that gives you 3.5+1.75=5.25-1.00=4.25mill minus a mil for a cheap winger on the 3rd line and you have 4.25mill to fill a RD spot for Hughes Under a flat cap era everything is a trade off either way you are looking at a top 4 dman or a top 9 forward. One spot is going to take a hit Love to see us target Mayfield, Jensen or Manson (though he's starting to get on the pricy side) via trade. They're all ED exposure risks and could be available. Trade for one of those guys, re-up Hamonic and you start to get somewhere. Hughes, Mayfield/Hamonic Schmidt, Mayfield/Hamonic Juolevi/Rathbone, Myers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: There are so many balls in the air right now, when it comes to how the 2021-22 roster will be fleshed out. I’m not even willing to take a stab a spitballing lineups for next season, never mind targets for 2022-23. Need to see where the Pettersson and Hughes extensions come in, what happens in expansion, who’s healthy, and who is bought out (or terminated). So many moving parts! Yes!... But next to the actual hockey, this is the fun part for me! Jenner will be mine! (ours) lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted May 30, 2021 Author Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Yes!... But next to the actual hockey, this is the fun part for me! Jenner will be mine! (ours) lol Just wondering why him so badly I want Granlund because he is best player available this season and meets the Canucks needs what is your hang up on Jenner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: Just wondering why him so badly I want Granlund because he is best player available this season and meets the Canucks needs what is your hang up on Jenner We need Jenner much more than Granlund. No thank you to Granlund 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, Arrow 1983 said: Just wondering why him so badly I want Granlund because he is best player available this season and meets the Canucks needs what is your hang up on Jenner Big, tough, hard minute, two way beast that you win with. Guy that helps you open offensive usage to the Pettersson and Horvat lines. Plus I look at guys like Jasek, Costmar, Karlsson etc in our prospect C depth (, hoping at least one turns out) and I see smaller, faster, more offense oriented/ 2 way guys that can likely C a more offensively inclined, 2 way '3rd' line in 2-4 years. I think Jenner would be the perfect fit to complement those guys and the guys already here. He can anchor a tough 2 way 3rd line for a couple years until kids get acclimated and then slide down to 4th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, aGENT said: By the time Hamonic shook off the not playing in a year, and then getting injured, rust, while parachuting in to a team playing like tire fire due to a lack of preseason/practice/rest and no chemistry... They actually started to look much better together in that middle stretch, before the team then got knocked back down on the mat with the Covid outbreak. Long term, contending in a couple years, I agree, we need an upgrade there. Short term as a 2'ish year fill in... I'd think they'd be fine now that they have some chemistry, less rust and will presumably get a regular preseason, practice schedule etc next year. Short term, agree that he is fine. But JB and Green probably have to make the playoffs next season to get an extension. I think they will upgrade on RD. Hamonic can be pushed down the line up if he is willing to re-sign cheap. Hughes-RD Schmidt-Hamonic Rathbone/OJ-Myers I almost feel like the decision comes down to re-signing Edler or Hamonic. Hughes-RD Edler-Schmidt Rathbone/OJ-Myers I prefer Edler if he comes at or below 3 mil on a 1 year deal. I think Edler is a better defensive player than Hamonic, although Hamonic is younger and hence, more physical. Can't go wrong with either. It's all about the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: I think the only way The Canucks can improve the defense is if you go way cheaper on the 3rd line right winger and not have Hamonic re-sign I had him at 1.75 mill. that gives you 3.5+1.75=5.25-1.00=4.25mill minus a mil for a cheap winger on the 3rd line and you have 4.25mill to fill a RD spot for Hughes Under a flat cap era everything is a trade off either way you are looking at a top 4 dman or a top 9 forward. One spot is going to take a hit I'd rather take a hit on top top 9 forward. I think we have plenty of young guys that can challenge for the spot next season and beyond. I'd rather not sign a close to 30 year old guy to a 4 year contract and block the way of our prospects. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: On the positive side (or negative side, depending on how you view having a $3M 4C in the lineup), Drance recently said on the Vancast (about 20min into the May 26th podcast) that there’s a “pretty widespread organizational view that Beagle will not end up on LTI for next season.” Apparently Beagle will be seen by a specialist over the summer and recent indications are that he’s now expected to recover and play next season. Don't worry I'm sure Benning will find a way foe him go get there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 8 minutes ago, khay said: Short term, agree that he is fine. But JB and Green probably have to make the playoffs next season to get an extension. Team just needs to keep showing forward progress IMO. To me that's still bubble playoff team next year (assuming no catastrophic injuries etc). 8 minutes ago, khay said: I think they will upgrade on RD. Hamonic can be pushed down the line up if he is willing to re-sign cheap. Hughes-RD Schmidt-Hamonic Rathbone/OJ-Myers I almost feel like the decision comes down to re-signing Edler or Hamonic. Hughes-RD Edler-Schmidt Rathbone/OJ-Myers I prefer Edler if he comes at or below 3 mil on a 1 year deal. I think Edler is a better defensive player than Hamonic, although Hamonic is younger and hence, more physical. Can't go wrong with either. It's all about the cap. As I posted earlier : 25 minutes ago, aGENT said: Love to see us target Mayfield, Jensen or Manson (though he's starting to get on the pricy side) via trade. They're all ED exposure risks and could be available. Trade for one of those guys, re-up Hamonic and you start to get somewhere. Hughes, Mayfield/Hamonic Schmidt, Mayfield/Hamonic Juolevi/Rathbone, Myers Ideally we're able to draft a guy this summer (Clarke!?) and he and Woo can come in over the next 2+ years and replace a then expiring Myers and Hamonic. Edler's a tough one. Ideally I'd have him back (even with Hamonic). And that may happen... Particularly if we move one of Juolevi or Rathbone for that (LEGIT) top pair RD you note (instead of a 'lowly' Mayfield, Jensen etc). I'd hate to move either but you have to give to get and I think it's something to certainly consider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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