aGENT Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jester13 said: I wonder how much it's OEL and how much it's coaching? Shaw turned around our defence and PK last year, and OEL was a legit top 4 dman for us, but this year Yeo suuuuuucks, and lo and behold, so does OEL et al. Poor roster construction, no puck support from forwards, downgrade in coaching from Shaw... It's not surprising that OEL looked good the two games this season we actually played well (COL and VGK). Team sport afterall. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 6 hours ago, aGENT said: Poor roster construction, no puck support from forwards, downgrade in coaching from Shaw... It's not surprising that OEL looked good the two games this season we actually played well (COL and VGK). Team sport afterall. Stillman also looked good for a couple of games 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 I'm pretty sure poor usage, roster construction, and Brad Shaw's departure are all responsible for OEL getting owned by Gadjovich and Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 9:41 AM, Drakrami said: Well people were twisting and turning it, saying Garland alone is worth the 9th. 18 months later you see how wrong that statement is. The kid Arizona drafted is already producing at Garland's pace and hes only 19 years old. I was neutral on this trade. The upside was OEL and Garland plays well and we become a playoff team for years to come. Who knew our team would implode like this from last year onwards. There was also the 2nd round pick - and a bunch of really good RHD were drafting right around our selection as well. Elias Salomonsson a RHD drafted #55 has 3 goals, 5 points in 18 games in the SHL. For a point of comparison Jonathan Lekkerimaki our undersized scoring forward has just 1 goal 5 points in 20 games in the Swe-1 (division below). Christian Kyrou, a RHD drafted #50 overall has 36 points in 27 games in the OHL. And finally, Tristan Luneau a RHD drafted #53 has 33 points in 30 games in the QMJHL along with a 6'2 frame. Guenther is one of the top 10-15 prospects in the NHL, and any one of those RHD would be our #1 prospect in the current pool in a position desperately need. Instead we are stuck with 13 million in un-moveable cap. This is worse than the Neely trade by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/8/2022 at 9:12 AM, HKSR said: Not gonna lie, I supported Benning all along, but this trade even had me baffled. We could have waited 1 more year. 1 more year and we would have had all the flexibility we needed. That's on you for supporting Benning all along. He was laughably bad. Y'all canuck fans enabled him by supporting him through his buffonery. Any negative comments about him got downvoted and you were labeled a 'hater'. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 9:51 AM, Shayster007 said: Yupp... I was part of the vocal minority when this trade went down that hated it. Took a ton of heat at the time, and did for months after when my opinion never waived. Validation is supposed to help things, but this one just feels gross. 100%. We knew it all along, but I wish we were wrong instead. OEL's play was already declining at that point in time, and we already had Quinn Hughes so why do we even need to acquire an offense based defenseman? Anytime you say something negative about JB's tenure, you just get downvoted by mass and take a ton of heat. It is what it is... too many fairweather fans that can't think critically. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: That's on you for supporting Benning all along. He was laughably bad. Y'all canuck fans enabled him by supporting him through his buffonery. Any negative comments about him got downvoted and you were labeled a 'hater'. Well said and we should never forget that. I pushed for that idiots outster along with his monkey sidekick green for a very long time until Aqua-lini was embarressed enough for being asleep at the wheel and finally woke up and booted those two out of town. It was painfully obvious they were two incompetants - years before they were fired. Hopefully JR can prove his worth and I'm willing to give him time because of the severe rookie-fan supported mess JB left this franchise in - that will obviously take time to clean up. But it's pretty obvious that it will require a major shake up as this core is doing the same thing they've done for the past decade - Lose - and it's time to clean house and not tinker along the edges! Edited December 19, 2022 by RU SERIOUS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 hours ago, JohnTavares said: That's on you for supporting Benning all along. He was laughably bad. Y'all canuck fans enabled him by supporting him through his buffonery. Any negative comments about him got downvoted and you were labeled a 'hater'. Lol, he did bring Petey, Hughes and Demko. Just the entire young core... maybe give him credit where credit is due, and criticize him for where he messed up? Doesn't need to be so polar. No GM is perfect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, HKSR said: Lol, he did bring Petey, Hughes and Demko. Just the entire young core... maybe give him credit where credit is due, and criticize him for where he messed up? Doesn't need to be so polar. No GM is perfect. So much for him talking about thinking critically while omitting some crucial evidence or downplaying them to highlight the negatives... That's the problem with people who criticized JB. They were unable to objectively balance the good with the bad. OEL isn't terrible, but he's not worth the 8 mill contract. He's far from being a plug though. Now, when looked at it this way, this seems like we're setting a low bar. No, we're not. In order for a trade to be technically terrible, the player has to be near useless. Even Nurse who signed a huge contract is getting criticism for his play. Most recently, one opposition player (forgot who) chirped him for "how the f**k did you get a 9 mill contract? You suck!", lol. It was caught on video. Unfortunately, this situation goes beyond Benning here. Not drafting any useful depth for all those years under Gillis really hurt. This isn't to excuse Benning. This is to explain the situation as it is. When you miss THAT many drafts, and then you're forced to plug players in to 'fix' the depth, then you know something is screwed up. Those should've been young players in the lineup, not vets like Jayson Megna. Edited December 19, 2022 by Dazzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 hours ago, HKSR said: Lol, he did bring Petey, Hughes and Demko. Just the entire young core... maybe give him credit where credit is due, and criticize him for where he messed up? Doesn't need to be so polar. No GM is perfect. His best moves in 8 years were drafting franchise players with HIGH picks? Demko was a good pick for sure, but you can count his good moves on one hand. Petey was a good pick but Hughes was practically a lay-up. He was by far the BPA and filled a huge organizational need - anyone could have made that pick quite easily. Oh Jim was far from perfect - he was atrocious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Dazzle said: So much for him talking about thinking critically while omitting some crucial evidence or downplaying them to highlight the negatives... That's the problem with people who criticized JB. They were unable to objectively balance the good with the bad. OEL isn't terrible, but he's not worth the 8 mill contract. He's far from being a plug though. Now, when looked at it this way, this seems like we're setting a low bar. No, we're not. In order for a trade to be technically terrible, the player has to be near useless. Even Nurse who signed a huge contract is getting criticism for his play. Most recently, one opposition player (forgot who) chirped him for "how the f**k did you get a 9 mill contract? You suck!", lol. It was caught on video. Unfortunately, this situation goes beyond Benning here. Not drafting any useful depth for all those years under Gillis really hurt. This isn't to excuse Benning. This is to explain the situation as it is. When you miss THAT many drafts, and then you're forced to plug players in to 'fix' the depth, then you know something is screwed up. Those should've been young players in the lineup, not vets like Jayson Megna. Still defending JB even after he left this team with no assets, no cap space, no future and a trash team? OEL is playing like a #4 and trending downwards. Paying a #4 $7M dollars is a death sentence in today's cap world. Still talking about Gillis a decade later? Wow the copium is so real. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 9 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: Well said and we should never forget that. I pushed for that idiots outster along with his monkey sidekick green for a very long time until Aqua-lini was embarressed enough for being asleep at the wheel and finally woke up and booted those two out of town. It was painfully obvious they were two incompetants - years before they were fired. Hopefully JR can prove his worth and I'm willing to give him time because of the severe rookie-fan supported mess JB left this franchise in - that will obviously take time to clean up. But it's pretty obvious that it will require a major shake up as this core is doing the same thing they've done for the past decade - Lose - and it's time to clean house and not tinker along the edges! Yup. A lot of why we are in this mess is because of us - the fans. Most people won't realize this because accountability is hard to come by. Most people supported Jim Benning for 5+ years - some support him to this day. As 'fans', blindly supporting management enables them to continue what they were doing... absolutely sabotaging this franchise. 'Fans' didn't care and still bought merch, attended games, etc. People tried to downplay the mistakes and silence the 'haters'... when in reality, people like us were able to critically think versus sheep that just accepts everything the way it is. It's really sad that it took fans throwing jerseys to the ice to wake up Aquilini... just a pathetic owner for a pathetic franchise. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: Still defending JB even after he left this team with no assets, no cap space, no future and a trash team? OEL is playing like a #4 and trending downwards. Paying a #4 $7M dollars is a death sentence in today's cap world. Still talking about Gillis a decade later? Wow the copium is so real. I don't think you understand the definition of 'asset'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, HKSR said: I don't think you understand the definition of 'asset'. You think this organization has any tangible, movable assets other than Petey, Demko and Hughes? You're so out of touch with hockey, it kind of explains why you were a big supported of JB till the end. Absolutely blinded. JB was the worst GM in franchise history by far. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: You think this organization has any tangible, movable assets other than Petey, Demko and Hughes? You're so out of touch with hockey, it kind of explains why you were a big supported of JB till the end. Absolutely blinded. JB was the worst GM in franchise history by far. I'll let others read what you just said and they can draw the conclusion on who's out of touch lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: You think this organization has any tangible, movable assets other than Petey, Demko and Hughes? You're so out of touch with hockey, it kind of explains why you were a big supported of JB till the end. Absolutely blinded. JB was the worst GM in franchise history by far. Bo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 17 minutes ago, Alflives said: Bo? Bo was brought in by Gillis, NOT Jim Benning. We're talking about JB who left this team with nearly no assets (outside of like 3 players), no cap spaec, no prospects and pathetic team. How we still have people defending JB is crazy. This guy single handedly screwed this franchise for 10+ years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 5:45 AM, Conscience said: Feel like this trade is going to sink us for a long time. one of the worst trades i can remember A lot of people called it from day one but got mass hate for being a 'hater' lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 22 minutes ago, HKSR said: I'll let others read what you just said and they can draw the conclusion on who's out of touch lol. You, and quote, "supported Benning all along". We know who's out of touch. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: Bo was brought in by Gillis, NOT Jim Benning. We're talking about JB who left this team with nearly no assets (outside of like 3 players), no cap spaec, no prospects and pathetic team. How we still have people defending JB is crazy. This guy single handedly screwed this franchise for 10+ years. Benning was terrible. But considering the insistence by our owner on a single minded direction, maybe Benning was hamstrung in what he could do? Other GMs for sure know what our owner insists on in return for his players (NHL guys who are close to or at their ceilings) so the market is thin and adjusted for that. Our owner’s mandated direction, IMHAO, is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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