2021 Training Camp Thread

[Camel Toe Drag]

31 minutes ago, stawns said:

I would be pretty thrilled if Rathbone made Hughes expendable.  Not because I don't like HUghes, but because the return would be huge and would go a long long way to pushing the team fwd

I don’t think they’re even in the same stratosphere in terms of ceiling. If anything I think you would trade Rathbone for a nice return. And if he keeps progressing you would definitely be getting something of value back. Hughes is too special. 

[Gawdzukes]

2 hours ago, Chronic.Canuck said:

If he plans on playing Miller at center we could see a top 9 something like...

 

Hoglander - Petey - Boeser (based on seeing Petan between these two yesterday)

Pearson - Horvat - MacEwan/other

Podkolzin - Miller - Garland

 

My only issue here is Horvat getting stuck with the leftovers for wingers once again.

Pearson - Horvat - MacEwan/other 

 

You can't be serious can you, why would we dress an AHL player in the top 6 after our offseason?

[RomanP]

1 minute ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

I don’t think they’re even in the same stratosphere in terms of ceiling. If anything I think you would trade Rathbone for a nice return. And if he keeps progressing you would definitely be getting something of value back. Hughes is too special. 

Here's the thing - pure skill is not everything in team sport. Character is just as important. Now, I'm not passing any judgement yet on Hughes' character, but the fact that he's being quite after what his brother said is not adding him any points in that area.

[Rob_Zepp]

1 hour ago, CanucksJay said:

I've just never seen someone in competitive sports sprawl on the ground like that on a team endurance training session when trying to impress and make a team. 

It's unbecoming... 

But yes we are reading perhaps too much into this. 

Like we said maybe effects of Covid? 

Maybe he was out skating everyone else and literally gave it 110% and didn't want to leave anything else in the tank (which is also admirable) 

 

Who knows? 

You been living in a cage.   Go to ANY NFL camp and guys even literally almost die (in HS and College they unfortunately do).   Baseball training camps are famous for guys throwing up and worse.   Canucks have had guys year and and out have this issue as do all other NHL teams.    My own experience has seen lots of this both in camps prior to a season and in summer training.    You don't need COVID to have a little too much breakfast, be a tad "off" or even just didn't hydrate properly to either cramp up or feel like complete $&!#e.   

 

However, that "sprawl out on the ground thing"....has been happening in almost every sport for as long as there has been sports.    For gawd's sake the first every "Marathon" distanced for the run the Athenian army chap originally did, gave his new, and then sprawled out and died.   That literally impressed the "coaches" I am sure.

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Rob_Zepp]

5 hours ago, Mustard Tiger said:

How the hell to people wake up and just decide to be a toxic piece of trash on the internet

Most of them work in the "news" industry for the CBC, CNN etc. but some certainly crawl out of their caves into this forum.    When I see it aimed at young kids (many of them are kids) trying to impress coaches like they did when they were 10 years old get slayed by couch dwellers it really grinds my gears.....

[4petesake]

51 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

It kind of reminds me of when Alexander Burmistrov got a chance to play in the top-six/nine in the middle when the Canucks were dealing with injuries a few years ago. 

Petan’s goal was the nicest of the scrimmage. He looked very smooth and seemed to find the open areas on the ice. Effortless, but in a good way. my thoughts…

 

-OEL and Poolman are developing some nice chemistry already. OEL is silky and Poolie looked smart and very efficient with the first pass to leave the zone.

-Burroughs surprised me as he looked confident and fairly effective without trying to to do too much.

-Watched Bowey quite a bit and he looks smooth, moves really well, and stayed involved. If he can keep his head in the game and keep working hard he could surprise.

-I liked Woo as well. Couple of great hits and seemed to use his stick smartly. He is close to making the team.

-Lockwood is just everywhere. What a motor.

-Podz was magnetic in the line rushes but I didn’t notice him as much as I thought I would in the game. 

-Garland is everything we thought he’d be. Involved all over and comes out of the skirmishes with the puck or ready to go get him. We’re gonna like this guy.

-Schenn was solid.

-You can see the work ethic in the goalies that Ian Clark insists on, particularly DiPietro. 
-Losing blue team was on the ice for an extra several minutes of hard skating. For those keeping track, nobody fainted, collapsed, or spewed anything.

 

Overall I watched the D much closer than the offence (and maybe I’m just projecting my hopes under Shaw) but the positioning was much better for all five skaters and there were noticeably fewer bad passes trying to exit the zone. The practice was brisk and intense, and Travis was very blunt with those who didn’t get the drills right. Fantastic to see the guys and hear the skates on the ice and the boards rattling! Hockey is back!

[Islandclarky]

17 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

I don’t think they’re even in the same stratosphere in terms of ceiling. If anything I think you would trade Rathbone for a nice return. And if he keeps progressing you would definitely be getting something of value back. Hughes is too special. 

Watching Rathbone here at camp,he and Luke Schenn are looking really good as a tandem,I think it's worth taking offers on Quinn , a extremely good pp specialist  but a player that is a liability in his own end ,that wants a huge raise that really could hinder our ability to sign players in the next couple years.  D looks good. Rathbone/Schenn.    Myers/Oel.      OJ / Poolman.   Jett Woo

[Devron]

1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said:

What a shot he had.

Up there as one of my favourite short stint Canucks 

[JoshuaGuy]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

Really?  I've seen it many many many times.  

You can tell who has sportsed and who hasn't around here. 

[Chronic.Canuck]

47 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

Pearson - Horvat - MacEwan/other 

 

You can't be serious can you, why would we dress an AHL player in the top 6 after our offseason?

I'm just going by the lines I've seen in camp, and if you continued to read the discussion between Smashian and I you'd see I forgot about Dickenson and put him there instead.

 

.....relax.

[CanucksJay]

24 minutes ago, Islandclarky said:

Watching Rathbone here at camp,he and Luke Schenn are looking really good as a tandem,I think it's worth taking offers on Quinn , a extremely good pp specialist  but a player that is a liability in his own end ,that wants a huge raise that really could hinder our ability to sign players in the next couple years.  D looks good. Rathbone/Schenn.    Myers/Oel.      OJ / Poolman.   Jett Woo

As vocal as I have been regarding Hughes and Petterson, I would not trade them yet. 

If Rathbone shows well at camp and preseason, I would play him and continue negotiating with Hughes who will feel the pressure to sign as he sees another prospect doing his job and filling in admirably. It could be another leverage tool for JB to sign Hughes. 

If Rathbone plays really well and a great trade offer for Hughes is presented, I would then look at it. 

 

[Maddogy]

1 minute ago, CanucksJay said:

As vocal as I have been regarding Hughes and Petterson, I would not trade them yet. 

If Rathbone shows well at camp and preseason, I would play him and continue negotiating with Hughes who will feel the pressure to sign as he sees another prospect doing his job and filling in admirably. It could be another leverage tool for JB to sign Hughes. 

If Rathbone plays really well and a great trade offer for Hughes is presented, I would then look at it. 

 

Yes, it is a lot easier trading Hughes if he is signed

[CanucksJay]

47 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

You been living in a cage.   Go to ANY NFL camp and guys even literally almost die (in HS and College they unfortunately do).   Baseball training camps are famous for guys throwing up and worse.   Canucks have had guys year and and out have this issue as do all other NHL teams.    My own experience has seen lots of this both in camps prior to a season and in summer training.    You don't need COVID to have a little too much breakfast, be a tad "off" or even just didn't hydrate properly to either cramp up or feel like complete $&!#e.   

 

However, that "sprawl out on the ground thing"....has been happening in almost every sport for as long as there has been sports.    For gawd's sake the first every "Marathon" distanced for the run the Athenian army chap originally did, gave his new, and then sprawled out and died.   That literally impressed the "coaches" I am sure.

Maybe you have a point. 

I've always grown up with coaches stressing conditioning being integral so I've never been the one to be sprawling on the ground. 

Never seen the top players on my team sprawled either... 

[Grape]

14 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

As vocal as I have been regarding Hughes and Petterson, I would not trade them yet. 

If Rathbone shows well at camp and preseason, I would play him and continue negotiating with Hughes who will feel the pressure to sign as he sees another prospect doing his job and filling in admirably. It could be another leverage tool for JB to sign Hughes. 

If Rathbone plays really well and a great trade offer for Hughes is presented, I would then look at it. 

 

A 22 year old who hasn't seen meaningful NHL minutes will not be be a factor for Hughes' negotiation.

 

Besides, Petey's negotiation is the one to focus on. Hughes cannot be signed until Petey gets signed. For all we know, a deal could be done with Quinn already. 

Edited September 24, 2021 by Grape

[Grape]

56 minutes ago, RomanP said:

Here's the thing - pure skill is not everything in team sport. Character is just as important. Now, I'm not passing any judgement yet on Hughes' character, but the fact that he's being quite after what his brother said is not adding him any points in that area.

Umm Hughes has not talked to the media yet if I'm not mistaken?

 

I'm not going to defend either Petey or Hughes because I'm pretty sure they're both extremely confident with perhaps a quiet arrogance to them, but Hughes not having spoken up about it means nothing. He literally hasn't had the opportunity to yet.

[CanucksJay]

6 minutes ago, Grape said:

A 22 year old who hasn't seen meaningful NHL minutes will not be be a factor for Hughes' negotiation.

 

Besides, Petey's negotiation is the one to focus on. Hughes cannot be signed until Petey gets signed. For all we know, a deal could be done with Quinn already. 

Hughes negotiation can't be done because it really depends on what Petey signs for and how much is left

[VegasCanuck]

14 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

Maybe you have a point. 

I've always grown up with coaches stressing conditioning being integral so I've never been the one to be sprawling on the ground. 

Never seen the top players on my team sprawled either... 

Maybe not being pushed hard enough? See if Green can give you a bag skate and see how you do???

 

Just a suggestion, then someone can come back and report here, what it's really like.

[in luongian fashion]

When will cuts start happening?

[RomanP]

5 minutes ago, Grape said:

Umm Hughes has not talked to the media yet if I'm not mistaken?

 

I'm not going to defend either Petey or Hughes because I'm pretty sure they're both extremely confident with perhaps a quiet arrogance to them, but Hughes not having spoken up about it means nothing. He literally hasn't had the opportunity to yet.

Perhaps, that's why I'm not making up my mind. It just leaves some bad taste that his brother said what he said and everything is quiet from Quinn on the subject. Let's wait and see what he ends up saying, but most likely it will be something well rehearsed with his agent.