RWJC Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: This Sure I agree, but look at where the bulk of our longer term injuries have taken place on the roster. Which area has seen the most upheaval and turnover??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) Lots claiming the team just needs another guy here or there and for petey and brock to get going. How many years have we said we are just missing a piece or two? Benning brought in some good pieces this year...same product. For those saying it is unfamiliarity...how come our new guys are most nights playing better than those who have been with green for years? A team that goes 16 minutes without generating a shot on goal against non cup contending teams has much bigger issues than a couple guys not performing to potential. It is systemic and has been going on for years now regardless of personnel. Yes our defensive game has improved but it appears at the cost of generating any offense. Our "improved" defense still requires demko to play lights out just for us to stay close in games. This is not a sustainable approach. Edited October 31, 2021 by DIBdaQUIB 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRocket18 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 What a mess we have with our team... its early, but I've had my concerns over the years and they're seeming to come to fruition... not in order of severity but... here's a list of the causes IMO of the mess probably the wrong thread but from what I've seen within this thread... applicable here goes. 1 - Linden Direction vs Ownership/Benning Direction. 2- Post Sedin Era lack of transformation and toughness/grit/truculence. 3- Miller, Brock intensity issues... now grafting to Horvat... hope not but I saw a similarity the other day... like hey watch the player mail it in after a missed shot, lazily head to the bench etc... and hey here's an idea give him an A on his Jersey to show the young kids what it takes. That tough to type but sometimes it's how I feel. 4-Coaching. Torts, Willy D, TG, NB. They all played the stars too much, exhausted at year end. Youth not getting enough development time. 5- Post Erickson contract and the OEL direction. Yeah I like Garland too, but... 6- Breaking Tanev and Quinn. 7- Benning taking too long getting the team assembled in time for this season. Hamonic , Chisson late add, Quinn Petterson too late. 8 - NHL Luongo penalty, more of a fine than what Chicago did wtf. 9- Draft pick disappearance when our GM's best ..... 10- Prospect failures. Who has our system added over the years? Horvat, Demko Dipetro - maybe. Rathbone. Good news going forward is Abbotsford and Sedins should help development, but this will still negatively effect our turbulence aspect one would think... So for me its who's steering the ship the most, yet I'm unsure if that falls on Aqua or Benning more. Can't seem to blame it all on Travis for this year as he was provided a team with missing pieces and we're still gonna a have to wait for Hamonic to gel. So much for the Pacific being wide open... Calgary has closed the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Darius said: Yup it’s pretty bad right now … showing bottom half We've watched the games; we don't need to start bringing that garbage in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: We've watched the games; we don't need to start bringing that garbage in there. Sorry heffy I’ll keep it high level like you do from now on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, 131313 said: At least they are cheap!! Maybe Miller is the 3rd liner he was in Tampa, Boeser is a one dimensional winger and Pettersson peaked in his rookie year for a total of about 18 million in cap space. For that kind of $$$ they need to deliver regardless of the coach. Blaming it all on Green isn't good enough. You would rather keep Green and get rid of Miller, Boeser, and EP? They need a coach who can get the most out of them. That is clearly not Green. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, RWJC said: yes Green should be able to motivate players. BUT ask yourself this…is EP being paid 7.35 to be a two way player? Nope. is QH being paid 7.85 to be a defensive specialist as well?? One-way forwards belong on Toronto. It hasn't worked there and won't here. Hughes definitely needs to learn how to play better defence than last year, but part of that is getting Baumgartner away from him before he causes further damage. You sure don't want him developing along the Barrie/Rielly mode where they were never held accountable for playing like trash in their own zone and now it's too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Darius said: Sorry heffy I’ll keep it high level like you do from now on The game is played on the ice, not on some analytics dweeb's spreadsheet. Those charts are as useful as Brad Hunt on the PK. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 16 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Which 650 schill said it (I can take a guess but rather not). I don't remember it if was that Bik Nazar dude or Sat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 22 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Stop smoking pot bud I’m smoking that psychic energy brother! im just playing with ya…Devil’s advocate is fun every now and then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Just now, AC30 said: Sutter has taken a bunch of Canucks cast off’s and has turn that team around in Calgary… They’re now at 6 and 2 They are first in the division. sporting back to back 4-0 shutouts respectively. Definitely it’s a coaching situation that we have here in Canuck-land People hear me now believe me later we need a way better coach Yeah, not to mention they're doing it with no men in their top 6 and a couple of guys with severe character issues in Tkachuk and Lucic with no captain to keep those dirtbags in line. They're getting lucky so far, but they're still an awful team playing over their head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Trebreh said: I don't remember it if was that Bik Nazar dude or Sat. I already know and not surprised Edited October 31, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Just now, King Heffy said: The game is played on the ice, not on some analytics dweeb's spreadsheet. Those charts are as useful as Brad Hunt on the PK. You are entitled to your opinion. Analytics are used to a certain extent in all major sports. This is a hockey forum where it should not be surprising that stats are posted. The chart shows the Canucks have been garbage ( using your terminology) 5 v 5 and worst in the nhl by that particular measure. I doubt this contradicts what you have seen. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, aznmonk said: I guess it's all Bennings fault the new guys can't play under greens system. Time to make green head coach and gm. So he can implement his system correctly. If that fails then time to sell the Canucks. I didn't say anything like that. Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or completely misread my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, NHTyrany said: So when injuries hit we are screwed because we can't adapt to different assets? Yeah, just like if EP or BB or Bo goes down, who do we have to replace them? No one. It works backwards too with the bottom 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
131313 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 minute ago, wallstreetamigo said: You would rather keep Green and get rid of Miller, Boeser, and EP? They need a coach who can get the most out of them. That is clearly not Green. As much as I hate it I think I am saying tear it down and start over. Green is probably part of the problem but the forwards are flat out not good enough. Not looking forward to another rebuild but they don't have what it takes. 2 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: You would rather keep Green and get rid of Miller, Boeser, and EP? They need a coach who can get the most out of them. That is clearly not Green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, aznmonk said: I guess it's all Bennings fault the new guys can't play under greens system. Time to make green head coach and gm. So he can implement his system correctly. If that fails then time to sell the Canucks. The end game - lol Edited October 31, 2021 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Darius said: You are entitled to your opinion. Analytics are used to a certain extent in all major sports. This is a hockey forum where it should not be surprising that stats are posted. The chart shows the Canucks have been garbage ( using your terminology) 5 v 5 and worst in the nhl by that particular measure. I doubt this contradicts what you have seen. That's the same site that was blasting Poolman and OEL all offseason. I have no issue with useful stats being posted, but when trash like JFresh goes up here it either matches what's brutally obvious or is outright wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wallstreetamigo Posted October 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, 131313 said: As much as I hate it I think I am saying tear it down and start over. Green is probably part of the problem but the forwards are flat out not good enough. Not looking forward to another rebuild but they don't have what it takes. Let’s completely rebuild the team rather than try a new GM and coach first. Who are quite literally among the only constants of this team the past 5 years. I get people like Green but this is the most insane Green defending I have ever seen on cdc. 1 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, AC30 said: Sutter has taken a bunch of Canucks cast off’s and has turn that team around in Calgary… They’re now at 6 and 2 They are first in the division. sporting back to back 4-0 shutouts respectively. Definitely it’s a coaching situation that we have here in Canuck-land People hear me now believe me later we need a way better coach It is astounding that some strongly defend a coach with a record of having this team in the basement 7 of the 8 years he has been here. Same for the gm. These 2 are two of the longest tenured in the league with one of the worst records. Based on performance alone, they should be long gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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