Alflives Posted June 18, 2022 Share Posted June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: I've been saying something similar for a while now, its either give this core what it needs to compete (bigger, better d in particular) or blow the mo-fo up. I hear a lot about timing, that Miller must be moved for us to time things correctly for this group. But thats not going to happen if the return is picks and prospects for Miller. No pics for Miller will help within 3-4 years. If we're going to shed Miler, then lets just do it right, trade everyone over 25 not named Demko that we can tank hard for next season. We should be able to get a group of ELCs/RFAs/high picks that allows for a quick turnaround. We are not trading away all players over 25. But we will definitely be trading away some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, Alflives said: We are not trading away all players over 25. But we will definitely be trading away some of them. but maybe we should? If we don't believe that a core of Miller, Bo, Petey, Demko and Hughes are enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) If Jersey's pick is too costly I'd def be interested in Philly's 5OA+. Miller is a Torts player. Edited June 19, 2022 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) I'm not really in favor of tanking this year. I have been in the past, esp those empty points in the last dozen games. Giving up draft positions. But we are IMO a good playoff team. With a couple missing pieces. And players coming back healthy. Esp D. And with better special teams (thanks coach). Edited June 19, 2022 by Hairy Kneel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, JM_ said: but maybe we should? If we don't believe that a core of Miller, Bo, Petey, Demko and Hughes are enough? We aren’t trading both Miller and Bo. We aren’t trading both Boeser and Garland. We aren’t trading both Myers and OEL. We aren’t trading away or playing with only guys 25 and under. We will have lots of guys over 25. But we definitely need to add younger core pieces to our key three. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sometimes it’s best to punt. IMHAO we need to punt. But I don’t think JR (our owner will allow) will punt. He will trade Miller and Garland but there will be players, who can fin it right away, coming back. Well, whatever is best, of course. In my humble ass opinion, JR & Co know more about it than any of us. Cheers! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: Well, whatever is best, of course. In my humble ass opinion, JR & Co know more about it than any of us. Cheers! JR has forgotten more about building Cup winners than any of us will ever know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 At this point would anyone be for trading Miller straight up for Byram? Maybe Miller (50% retained) and Rathbone for Byram and Newhook? Byram is an absolute stud........he's going to be better than Hughes, imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, stawns said: At this point would anyone be for trading Miller straight up for Byram? Maybe Miller (50% retained) and Rathbone for Byram and Newhook? Byram is an absolute stud........he's going to be better than Hughes, imo. Avs wouldn’t even listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, stawns said: At this point would anyone be for trading Miller straight up for Byram? Maybe Miller (50% retained) and Rathbone for Byram and Newhook? Byram is an absolute stud........he's going to be better than Hughes, imo. Everyone but Joe Sakik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 minute ago, WHL rocks said: Everyone but Joe Sakik you don't think so? That said, I doubt they'd move Byram for a rental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 46 minutes ago, Alflives said: We aren’t trading both Miller and Bo. We aren’t trading both Boeser and Garland. We aren’t trading both Myers and OEL. We aren’t trading away or playing with only guys 25 and under. We will have lots of guys over 25. But we definitely need to add younger core pieces to our key three. problem with that way tho Alf is it doesn't get us elite talent, or at least really lessens the chance of it. We have to tank for 1-2 year to get more of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: problem with that way tho Alf is it doesn't get us elite talent, or at least really lessens the chance of it. We have to tank for 1-2 year to get more of that. I don’t think we need to tank. We can move Miller and Garland for high picks and (or) elite prospects. We can clear cap space to sign guys like Devon Toews. Not him, of course, but guys like him. We need cap room and draft capital though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: I don’t think we need to tank. We can move Miller and Garland for high picks and (or) elite prospects. We can clear cap space to sign guys like Devon Toews. Not him, of course, but guys like him. We need cap room and draft capital though. but haven't we been down this road? there weren't elite prospects on offer for Miller. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, JM_ said: but haven't we been down this road? there weren't elite prospects on offer for Miller. we don't know that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 47 minutes ago, stawns said: At this point would anyone be for trading Miller straight up for Byram? Maybe Miller (50% retained) and Rathbone for Byram and Newhook? Byram is an absolute stud........he's going to be better than Hughes, imo. Please will this into existence. Byram is my 2nd favorite player that's not a Canucks. I'd kill to see him come home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pure961089 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) And trade talks with New York start with Kappo Kakko but the reality is he’s had 3 seasons in the NHL already and he’s been a disappointment. Maybe this isn’t fair but Podkolzin rookie season was way better than any of Kakko’s 3 seasons even this years stats were meh for a player picked 2nd overall. And again it shows how risky picks are, why people think Miller isn’t worth a 2nd overall pick, Kakko, Nolan Patrick, this is why Miller IS worth a 2nd overall. Because he’s Guaranteed. You know exactly what you’re getting. But the draft is a crap shoot even in the high 1st round. When I see people say what more would the Canucks need to get New Jersey’s pick I shake my head. If that’s all we’re getting in return then we’ve got to sign Miller. Can’t let a sure thing go for a gamble. Edited June 19, 2022 by Pure961089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: Please will this into existence. Byram is my 2nd favorite player that's not a Canucks. I'd kill to see him come home. honestly, I'd probably do Miller for Byram straight up with money retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, stawns said: we don't know that. I think we can be pretty confident that we would have either heard of a deal that fell through, or JR would have pulled the trigger if someone truly elite was on offer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 39 minutes ago, JM_ said: but haven't we been down this road? there weren't elite prospects on offer for Miller. Even if there weren't, which we don't know, that doesn't mean there won't be. Hell, if the Avs win the cup and Kadri walks I wouldn't be shocked if they take a hard look at Miller as a rental in order to try and go for it again. Lot of things change between the trade deadline, the draft, and free agency. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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