Odd. Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) Middleton is a 25 year old LHD who can skate really well, plays a sound defensive game, and is making himself one of the better tough guys in the league. He would round out our LHD position nicely. Trent is left handed centerman, however, he’s a solid defensive player that can win faceoffs and play an in your face style of play. 23 years old, he’s like a Lapierre. To San Jose: Pearson, Brisebois 2022 5th round pick To Van: Middleton, 2022 6th round pick, 2023 6th round pick or 7th round pick To Boston: 2023 3rd round pick, Motte, McDonaugh To Van: Frederic, Debrusk Debrusk/Miller/Boeser Podz/Petey/Garland Frederic/Horvat/Hoglander Dickinson/Lammikko/Chiasson Miller line run n gun Petey line the skill line Horvat line shutdown line 4th line crash and bang OEL/Myers Hughes/Schenn Middleton/Burroughs Hamonic Edited December 10, 2021 by Odd. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 these seem like under payments by us but I like the proposals for sure, I like Trent from Boston, o do not know Middleton but sounds good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: these seem like under payments by us but I like the proposals for sure, I like Trent from Boston, o do not know Middleton but sounds good Middleton is still an unknown commodity. We’d be giving up a pick and a top 9 player that could help the Sharks out. For Boston, Frederic has 5 points and barely had points last season. He doesn’t really have that much trade value, and we could use that to our advantage. Debrusk wants out of Boston, my thinking is give them a player like Motte that will help them in many different ways, a prospect, and a 3rd to sweeten the deal. Debrusk also has low trade value that we can also use to our advantage. We’d also save some money cap wise too, and we address 2 of our needs while doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) The Sharks are in a re-tool to get younger. They can't move most of their veteran contracts so they are looking to add youth around them. Don't see them in the slightest interested in Pearson. DeBrusk asked for a trade but Boston isn't looking to just give him away. Haula hasn't quite worked out so he's more likely on the block than Frederic who looks to have been playing C3 the past few games. Can't see Boston giving up 2 players picked in the 1st round for that package. Edited December 10, 2021 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Hello Boston, can we get 2 of your previously 1st round drafted player for a 3rd and Motte? SJS, I know you are trying to make the playoffs, give us Middleton who is playing 22 minutes for you. Here, take Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 I'd do Pearson, Brisebois and our 2022 3rd (Winnipeg) for Kane (50% retained) and Middleton. San Jose is desperate to dump Kane. With daddy Bruce I think he can keep him in line. This way we save our 2022 1st for a big ticket item, a RHD or a stud 3C and some help on the 4th line. Podkolzin Pettersson Garland Kane Miller Boeser Dickinson Horvat Höglander Motte Lammikko Chiasson Hughes Hamonic OEL Myers Middleton Poolman Burroughs Schenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I'd do Pearson, Brisebois and our 2022 3rd (Winnipeg) for Kane (50% retained) and Middleton. San Jose is desperate to dump Kane. With daddy Bruce I think he can keep him in line. This way we save our 2022 1st for a big ticket item, a RHD or a stud 3C and some help on the 4th line. Podkolzin Pettersson Garland Kane Miller Boeser Dickinson Horvat Höglander Motte Lammikko Chiasson Hughes Hamonic OEL Myers Middleton Poolman Burroughs Schenn Don't see why SJS does it though. They are much better off just buying him out. The cap hit is lower for next season. They won't be stuck with Pearson and get to keep Middleton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinky-Winky Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Trent Fredric he did play pretty good against us the otherday, i like him alot after that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Odd. said: Middleton is still an unknown commodity. We’d be giving up a pick and a top 9 player that could help the Sharks out. For Boston, Frederic has 5 points and barely had points last season. He doesn’t really have that much trade value, and we could use that to our advantage. Debrusk wants out of Boston, my thinking is give them a player like Motte that will help them in many different ways, a prospect, and a 3rd to sweeten the deal. Debrusk also has low trade value that we can also use to our advantage. We’d also save some money cap wise too, and we address 2 of our needs while doing so. Trade the best bottom 6 player on the roster? This is the type of player that BB wants, and needs for the others in the lineup to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 8 hours ago, mll said: Don't see why SJS does it though. They are much better off just buying him out. The cap hit is lower for next season. They won't be stuck with Pearson and get to keep Middleton. Kane’s buyout is worse than Pearson’s contract: $3,666,667 $2,666,667 $4,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 Pearson is at $3,250,000 for 2 more years. JR can throw in DiPietro to close the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Kane’s buyout is worse than Pearson’s contract: $3,666,667 $2,666,667 $4,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 Pearson is at $3,250,000 for 2 more years. JR can throw in DiPietro to close the deal. Kane at 50% retained is already 3.5M + Pearson at 3.25M is more than the buyout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Kane’s buyout is worse than Pearson’s contract: $3,666,667 $2,666,667 $4,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 Pearson is at $3,250,000 for 2 more years. JR can throw in DiPietro to close the deal. Except you’re asking them to take Pearson’s contract AND retain $3.5m/year on Kane. Factor the retention in and it’s cheaper to buy him out. Hell. Cap wise it’s better for them just keep him buried in the minors than to take that deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, mll said: Kane at 50% retained is already 3.5M + Pearson at 3.25M is more than the buyout. True. But only for the first two years. They get a serviceable player who can play in the top 9 and a pick and some prospects. Rather than having Kane on the books for an additional 4 years. They already have Martin Jones as dead cap for 5 more years. As well as having some brutal contracts on the books in Karlsson and Vlasic. Vlasic is now a 3rd pairing D making $7 million for the next 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Except you’re asking them to take Pearson’s contract AND retain $3.5m/year on Kane. Factor the retention in and it’s cheaper to buy him out. Hell. Cap wise it’s better for them just keep him buried in the minors than to take that deal Cheaper only for the first two years. After that they have dead cap for an additional 4 years. They can certainly just buy him out and have dead cap for 6 more years. Or they can get a serviceable player who can actually help them. Nobody is taking Kane without returning salary back to San Jose. The teams with cap space don’t need him as they are all rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Cheaper only for the first two years. After that they have dead cap for an additional 4 years. They can certainly just buy him out and have dead cap for 6 more years. Or they can get a serviceable player who can actually help them. Nobody is taking Kane without returning salary back to San Jose. The teams with cap space don’t need him as they are all rebuilding. 3 years. It’s funny how you look at Kane’s contract as 4 years and Pearson’s as 2 when in reality Kane’s is up in 4 years and Pearson’s is up in 3. You’re essentially asking San Jose to pay Pearson $6.75m for 3 seasons and then another season of dead cap of $3.5m. the buyout is substantially less damaging to them. Even with the extra 2 years of $1.7m dead cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, qwijibo said: 3 years. It’s funny how you look at Kane’s contract as 4 years and Pearson’s as 2 when in reality Kane’s is up in 4 years and Pearson’s is up in 3. You’re essentially asking San Jose to pay Pearson $6.75m for 3 seasons and then another season of dead cap of $3.5m. the buyout is substantially less damaging to them. Even with the extra 2 years of $1.7m dead cap If they buy him out at the end of this year they will have dead cap for 6 years. If they take on Pearson's contract then they will have an additional 2 years after this one. So they will have dead cap for 4 more years after Pearson's contract is up. $3,666,667 + $3,250,000 = $6,916,667 $2,666,667 + $3,250000 = $5,916,667 $4,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 They would take a hit in the first two years but have nothing after that. They already have dead cap space with Martin Jones for 5 more years after this one and Vlasic's $7 million is basically the equivalent of dead cap for 4 more years after this one. Karlsson is anchor contract that they need to deal with. They may very well just buy Kane out at the end of the year and have his dead cap for 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If they buy him out at the end of this year they will have dead cap for 6 years. If they take on Pearson's contract then they will have an additional 2 years after this one. So they will have dead cap for 4 more years after Pearson's contract is up. $3,666,667 + $3,250,000 = $6,916,667 $2,666,667 + $3,250000 = $5,916,667 $4,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 $1,666,667 They would take a hit in the first two years but have nothing after that. They already have dead cap space with Martin Jones for 5 more years after this one and Vlasic's $7 million is basically the equivalent of dead cap for 4 more years after this one. Karlsson is anchor contract that they need to deal with. They may very well just buy Kane out at the end of the year and have his dead cap for 6 years. You’re mixing the numbers together. If they buy him out then They won’t have Pearson’s cap hit on top of that. The only circumstance where they have both cap hits is if they trade Kane at your proposed 50% retention and take back Pearson. in which case it’s $6.75m for this year and 2 additional years , plus an extra year of $3.5m rents toon at the end. So they can -keep him in the minors for the full 4 seasons at $5.85m cap hit -buy him out for a lower cap hit but have an extra 2 seasons at $1.7m -do the proposed trade and have a cap hit for Pearson equal to $6.75m for this season plus 2 more plus an extra year at $3.5m Personally I think the trade route where they retain AND take back a bad contract is the least appealing option 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 13 hours ago, Odd. said: Middleton is a 25 year old LHD who can skate really well, plays a sound defensive game, and is making himself one of the better tough guys in the league. He would round out our LHD position nicely. Trent is left handed centerman, however, he’s a solid defensive player that can win faceoffs and play an in your face style of play. 23 years old, he’s like a Lapierre. To San Jose: Pearson, Brisebois 2022 5th round pick To Van: Middleton, 2022 6th round pick, 2023 6th round pick or 7th round pick To Boston: 2023 3rd round pick, Motte, McDonaugh To Van: Frederic, Debrusk Debrusk/Miller/Boeser Podz/Petey/Garland Frederic/Horvat/Hoglander Dickinson/Lammikko/Chiasson Miller line run n gun Petey line the skill line Horvat line shutdown line 4th line crash and bang OEL/Myers Hughes/Schenn Middleton/Burroughs Hamonic Wouldn't give up McDonough in any trade right now. He might very well be our best prospect. Hes #3 for goals scored in the NCAA, even above Matt Beniers. 13 goals in 18 games. Good chance he becomes a top-6 forward for us in the near future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 19 hours ago, Odd. said: Middleton is a 25 year old LHD who can skate really well, plays a sound defensive game, and is making himself one of the better tough guys in the league. He would round out our LHD position nicely. Trent is left handed centerman, however, he’s a solid defensive player that can win faceoffs and play an in your face style of play. 23 years old, he’s like a Lapierre. To San Jose: Pearson, Brisebois 2022 5th round pick To Van: Middleton, 2022 6th round pick, 2023 6th round pick or 7th round pick To Boston: 2023 3rd round pick, Motte, McDonaugh To Van: Frederic, Debrusk Debrusk/Miller/Boeser Podz/Petey/Garland Frederic/Horvat/Hoglander Dickinson/Lammikko/Chiasson Miller line run n gun Petey line the skill line Horvat line shutdown line 4th line crash and bang OEL/Myers Hughes/Schenn Middleton/Burroughs Hamonic Nice to see someone else paying attention to late blooming gems like Middleton. Good ideas. This would solve our LHD depth issue and make us more resilient up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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