Change of scenery [Proposal]

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, mll said:

He talks of boxing out players in front of their net and being more physical.  I don't think that's Rathbone.  NJD has young Ds that are pushing for a roster spot just like him - I don't see him moving the needle over what they already have when he's not an established NHLer either. 

 

Doesn't sound like Vancouver wants to trade Boeser.  Rutherford again indicated that their projections show that they could fit him on 1-year QO under the salary cap.  

Trade Rathbone before McDonnough signs and we will lose him for sure.  Although we might have lost him already.  So trade them both.  Rathbone for a defensive D.  And McDonnough as sweetener to dump Poolman. 

[mll]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Trade Rathbone before McDonnough signs and we will lose him for sure.  Although we might have lost him already.  So trade them both.  Rathbone for a defensive D.  And McDonnough as sweetener to dump Poolman. 

Poolman is a LTIR risk which increase the cost to move him.  LTIR prevents teams from banking cap space so it limits what they can do at the TDL and creates bonus overages. 

 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

Poolman is a LTIR risk which increase the cost to move him.  LTIR prevents teams from banking cap space so it limits what they can do at the TDL and creates bonus overages. 

 

Then add McDonnough to Dickinson or Myers.  If JR wants to clear cap, then use McDonnough as sweetener.  Especially f JR is moving Rathbone.  Those two are childhood friends.  

[Elias Pettersson]

5 hours ago, mll said:

Poolman is a LTIR risk which increase the cost to move him.  LTIR prevents teams from banking cap space so it limits what they can do at the TDL and creates bonus overages. 

 

If Poolman goes on LTIR next year then we will have $6 million in LTIR with Ferland.  I don't think we would be able to cover that and be competitive so we will most likely be working in LTIR money next season.  If that is the case then we might as well start planning for an $88.5 million roster.  Rutherford saying he can fit Boeser in at $7.5 million seems to confirm that is the number they are using.

 

We already have Halak's bonus overage this year, does that need to be carried forward to the following year if we are working in LTIR money, or is it calculated into the $82.5 million cap for this coming year along with Virtanen and Holtby's buyouts?

[Elias Pettersson]

5 hours ago, Alflives said:

Then add McDonnough to Dickinson or Myers.  If JR wants to clear cap, then use McDonnough as sweetener.  Especially f JR is moving Rathbone.  Those two are childhood friends.  

How can you use McDonough as a sweetener if he is free to sign with any team next summer?

[mll]

32 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If Poolman goes on LTIR next year then we will have $6 million in LTIR with Ferland.  I don't think we would be able to cover that and be competitive so we will most likely be working in LTIR money next season.  If that is the case then we might as well start planning for an $88.5 million roster.  Rutherford saying he can fit Boeser in at $7.5 million seems to confirm that is the number they are using.

 

We already have Halak's bonus overage this year, does that need to be carried forward to the following year if we are working in LTIR money, or is it calculated into the $82.5 million cap for this coming year along with Virtanen and Holtby's buyouts?

Players on LTIR count against the salary cap.  The regular roster of any team can never exceed the salary cap, it's only LTIR contracts that exceed the cap.

 

Ferland will be on LTIR.  The regular roster with all the active players and the cap penalties will still have to be under 82.5M.  Once they add Ferland's contract to their regular roster they'll exceed the cap but he can go on LTIR for them to remain cap compliant.  

 

Poolman could be on and off LTIR.  He has migraines.  They can't use up his cap space because of the days he would possibly be able to play.  

 

Cap penalties and bonus overages are part of the regular roster - ie included in the 82.5M.

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by mll

[Elias Pettersson]

6 minutes ago, mll said:

Players on LTIR count against the salary cap.  The regular roster of any team can never exceed the salary cap, it's only LTIR contracts that exceed the cap.

 

Ferland will be on LTIR.  The regular roster with all the active players and the cap penalties will still have to be under 82.5M.  Once they add Ferland's contract to their regular roster they'll exceed the cap but he can go on LTIR for them to remain cap compliant.  

 

Poolman could be on and off LTIR.  He has migraines.  They can't use up his cap space because of the days he would possibly be able to play.  

 

Cap penalties and bonus overages are part of the regular roster - ie included in the 82.5M.

 

Thanks.  So if Poolman is on and off LTIR, how is that going to work if we are at $82.5 million and then Ferland's contract pushes up into LTIR money?  How do we bring him on and off the roster if we are already in LTIR money?  Or are you thinking JR is going to try and get to $82.5 million INCLUDING Ferland's contract?

[Drakrami]

I up you 1, how about packaging Dickinson and Poolman for a 1st from someone? 

[mll]

36 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Thanks.  So if Poolman is on and off LTIR, how is that going to work if we are at $82.5 million and then Ferland's contract pushes up into LTIR money?  How do we bring him on and off the roster if we are already in LTIR money?  Or are you thinking JR is going to try and get to $82.5 million INCLUDING Ferland's contract?

They can replace Ferland on the roster as they know he'll spend the season on LTIR.  They can't do that with Poolman because there might be stretches where he can play - maybe he spends the whole season healthy too.

They can put him on and off LTIR.  When he goes on LTIR, it gives the cap space to recall someone from Abbotsford to replace him.  Once he can play again, they have to take him off LTIR and return the player to Abbotsford.  Or they just keep him on IR and have a D7 that can step in to replace him when he's not feeling well.

 

Simplified.  Say Poolman starts the season healthy and Ferland on LTIR.  They have a regular roster of 82.5M including a healthy Poolman + Ferland on LTIR which puts them at most at 86M (only Ferland's 3.5M can exceed the cap).   Mid-season Poolman goes on LTIR.  Their new cap limit increases to 88.5M to account for Poolman's 2.5M on LTIR and their regular roster is now at 80M (as he's now on LTIR).  It gives them 2.5M to replace Poolman as long as he is on LTIR. 

 

If his migraines are recurrent, they might want to move his contract as it won't be an easy situation to navigate.  It might not matter next season but more once their window really opens up.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

8 minutes ago, mll said:

They can replace Ferland on the roster as they know he'll spend the season on LTIR.  They can't do that with Poolman because there might be stretches where he can play - maybe he spends the whole season healthy too.

They can put him on and off LTIR.  When he goes on LTIR, it gives the cap space to recall someone from Abbotsford to replace him.  Once he can play again, they have to take him off LTIR and return the player to Abbotsford.  Or they just keep him on IR and have a D7 that can step in to replace him when he's not feeling well.

 

Simplified.  Say Poolman starts the season healthy and Ferland on LTIR.  They have a regular roster of 82.5M including a healthy Poolman + Ferland on LTIR which puts them at most at 86M (only Ferland's 3.5M can exceed the cap).   Mid-season Poolman goes on LTIR.  Their new cap limit increases to 88.5M to account for Poolman's 2.5M on LTIR and their regular roster is now at 80M (as he's now on LTIR).  It gives them 2.5M to replace Poolman as long as he is on LTIR. 

 

If his migraines are recurrent, they might want to move his contract as it won't be an easy situation to navigate.  It might not matter next season but more once their window really opens up.

 

Okay so basically as long as Poolman starts the year on the roster then his cap hit goes against the $82.5 million and if he is placed on LTIR the cap hit reduces to $80 million and he can be replaced with someone with the same cap hit regardless of Ferland's LTIR money?

 

What if Poolman starts the year on LTIR and the roster is at $82.5 million without Poolman's cap hit included, i.e. he is with Ferland and so the Canucks cap hit is now a combined $88.5 million?

[qwijibo]

25 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Okay so basically as long as Poolman starts the year on the roster then his cap hit goes against the $82.5 million and if he is placed on LTIR the cap hit reduces to $80 million and he can be replaced with someone with the same cap hit regardless of Ferland's LTIR money?

 

What if Poolman starts the year on LTIR and the roster is at $82.5 million without Poolman's cap hit included, i.e. he is with Ferland and so the Canucks cap hit is now a combined $88.5 million?

Going on LTIR doesn’t reduce the cap hit.  It just allows the team to exceed the cap by the equivalent amount.  

[mll]

24 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Okay so basically as long as Poolman starts the year on the roster then his cap hit goes against the $82.5 million and if he is placed on LTIR the cap hit reduces to $80 million and he can be replaced with someone with the same cap hit regardless of Ferland's LTIR money?

 

What if Poolman starts the year on LTIR and the roster is at $82.5 million without Poolman's cap hit included, i.e. he is with Ferland and so the Canucks cap hit is now a combined $88.5 million?

If both are ruled out for the full season - they could go as high as 88.5M but the 6M above 82.5M is only LTIR.  

 

The challenge is that he might be able to return at some point in the season  They would then need to clear 2.5M in cap space to activate him to the main roster.  They might just prefer to keep him on IR.

[mll]

11 hours ago, hammertime said:

Their LD Is Graves Siegenthaler Bahl Shak. Want something different? Or more of the same?

 

It's up front that he says they have to start to mix and match because they have too much of the same and need to built a team that can have success in the post-season.  He talked of needing straight line players and being harder to play against.  Talked of how much they missed Miles Woods, who was out after hip surgery.

 

Guessing that with players coming up for extensions and/or starting to show the type of player they are/their ceiling, they are going to have to decide who is part of the group going forward and who should maybe be swapped out to give them a better mix of players to contend.  His quote on Zacha is kind of where they could be at with some other players. 

 

Fwiw tracking shows that dump-ins increase the deeper teams go in the post-season.  Cooper joked that you can't have just Ferraris and need Jeeps to get through the mud.   NJD is skilled but seem to be missing that heavy and rugged component up front.

 

Doesn't sound like they are necessarily looking to make changes on D and are rather looking at internal growth.  The segment on their defence starts at the 7:45 mark.

 

He says they need to improve on playing with the same habits, growth in understanding what their job is, boxing out in front, the physical part, ending plays down low.  If they don't do that it won't matter what their goaltending is.  Says there's still growth with the individuals they have.  He concludes by saying he likes their defence, their size, their mobility and their make-up but that there's room for improvement in all areas of their game.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by mll

[JM_]

14 hours ago, mll said:

Doesn't sound like Vancouver wants to trade Boeser.  Rutherford again indicated that their projections show that they could fit him on 1-year QO under the salary cap.  

this was an interesting comment. If thats true, then we won't be seeing many moves this year. Keeping Brock at his QO doesn't leave much room other than bringing up ELCs or guys on league min deals to fill the remaining roster spots.

 

Unless they already have some deals in place for guys like Pearson and Dickie. 

[JM_]

7 hours ago, mll said:

If his migraines are recurrent, they might want to move his contract as it won't be an easy situation to navigate.  It might not matter next season but more once their window really opens up.

So what would he cost us to move, and who would take him? Other than AZ I don't see who. They are going to be a joke for at least 3 years so the LTIR doesn't really matter to them, so what does it cost us? 

[Alflives]

25 minutes ago, JM_ said:

this was an interesting comment. If thats true, then we won't be seeing many moves this year. Keeping Brock at his QO doesn't leave much room other than bringing up ELCs or guys on league min deals to fill the remaining roster spots.

 

Unless they already have some deals in place for guys like Pearson and Dickie. 

I think JR has a deal ready for Garland.  Likely something talked about during the last TDL.  

Garland + Poolman for Crouse.  

[hammertime]

6 hours ago, mll said:

 

It's up front that he says they have to start to mix and match because they have too much of the same and need to built a team that can have success in the post-season.  He talked of needing straight line players and being harder to play against.  Talked of how much they missed Miles Woods, who was out after hip surgery.

 

Guessing that with players coming up for extensions and/or starting to show the type of player they are/their ceiling, they are going to have to decide who is part of the group going forward and who should maybe be swapped out to give them a better mix of players to contend.  His quote on Zacha is kind of where they could be at with some other players. 

 

Fwiw tracking shows that dump-ins increase the deeper teams go in the post-season.  Cooper joked that you can't have just Ferraris and need Jeeps to get through the mud.   NJD is skilled but seem to be missing that heavy and rugged component up front.

 

Doesn't sound like they are necessarily looking to make changes on D and are rather looking at internal growth.  The segment on their defence starts at the 7:45 mark.

 

He says they need to improve on playing with the same habits, growth in understanding what their job is, boxing out in front, the physical part, ending plays down low.  If they don't do that it won't matter what their goaltending is.  Says there's still growth with the individuals they have.  He concludes by saying he likes their defence, their size, their mobility and their make-up but that there's room for improvement in all areas of their game.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the link.

 

I hear that differently. I hear he like his size on D of course Graves Sieg Shak Bahl Hamilton Severson (lots of same same) but there are areas that need improvement wants more mobility. 

 

IMO Rathbones an upgrade on Ty Smith. 

 

It's all just for fun anyway 

[qwijibo]

9 minutes ago, JM_ said:

So what would he cost us to move, and who would take him? Other than AZ I don't see who. They are going to be a joke for at least 3 years so the LTIR doesn't really matter to them, so what does it cost us? 

It depends on if Arizona sees any value to bringing in Poolman. The fact that he isn’t guaranteed to be on LTIR and the way his contract is structured makes him a lot less attractive to Arizona. 
 

If their goal is to pick up an actual player the possible LTIR status puts an end to that.  
 

If they just want help hitting the cap floor then they wouldn’t be putting him on LTIR.  The way his contract is structured he’ll be paid roughly the same as his cap hit this coming season  and more than his cap hit for the last 2 seasons.  He’ll be paid $8.25m over those 3 seasons with a total cap hit of $7.5m. 
 

By comparison they could bring in Weber from Montreal. Pay him $6m total over the next 4 seasons, and have a cap hit of over $31m.  

 

I guess what I’m saying is that if you want Arizona to take on Poolman’s contract for the next 3 years it’ll probably cost a decent asset for them to do it. 

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, hammertime said:

Thanks for the link.

 

I hear that differently. I hear he like his size on D of course Graves Sieg Shak Bahl Hamilton Severson (lots of same same) but there are areas that need improvement wants more mobility. 

 

IMO Rathbones an upgrade on Ty Smith. 

 

It's all just for fun anyway 

Rathbone + McDonnough to the Devils for Zacha + Severson. 

[JM_]

12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I think JR has a deal ready for Garland.  Likely something talked about during the last TDL.  

Garland + Poolman for Crouse.  

I'd love that deal.