JamesB Posted August 22, 2022 Author Share Posted August 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said: As with all these debates you get three types of people, those that love the stats and compare numbers and figures. Those that don’t trust them, and those that recognise that stats are meaningless without context and essentially playing top trumps. stats are useful but playing top trumps with them isn’t as there will never be one stat to rule them all. Context is still key using stats to work out day who is a good face off winner under pressure and then analyse why is good. Using them to identify trends and pattens of play also useful either to plan better plays or counter opponents. Using to say x is better than why but not defining the context of comparison is meaningless. is mcdavid abetter player than Hedman because he scores goals than hedman? comparison is meaningless 1. Your are certainly right that some people (like JR) basically like statistical analysis and some people (like Benning) either don't like it or don't understand it. One thing I like a lot about Boudreau is that he is open-minded. He is a very good old-school players' coach but he has indicated that he wants to learn more about analytics and try to improve his coaching. For a guy his age (or any age) that is a great attitude. And in today's NHL I think it is important to keep moving forward. 2. The point of modelling to try to incorporate as much relevant context as possible. The better the model, the less extra judgement you need to impose on top of the model. That is true whether you are trying to model the actions of a potential vaccine on some virus or hockey performance or anything else. You never eliminate the need for some judgement based on context (but who knows where AI-based models will take us). 3. GMs and coaches still need to make tough comparisons. (like your Hedman vs. McDavid comparison). With the Canucks, for example, Miller and Horvat are on expiring contracts this year and Petey comes up the year after. Due to cap issues it is unlikely the team can keep all three guys, so they have to make a call. The question is whether you use analytical methods as an important input (as JR does) or whether you rely on your "gut feelings" as Benning did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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