R3aL Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: They'd have to trade out multiple pieces. It would start to take away from the roster too much. They just traded out a 1st to get rid of Monahan. They would probably have to give more than that in order to re-sign Horvat, not to mention giving up pieces for Horvat. It wouldn't be worth it for the Flames in the end. If anything they'd want Kuzmenko with his ELC. My whole point was we aren’t going to trade with Calgary I just don’t see it happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Odjick 4 Premier said: They can Always move Lindholm to the wing and go Kadri, Horvat, Coleman, Rooney down the middle It'd cost them less to go after a winger outside of the division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaninMex Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, Odjick 4 Premier said: alright go on and cry in your pillow because nobody else hates Tanev like you do, sorry for not thinking like you there buddy lol In the past lol is it in the past that the Canucks badly need RHD improvement to stop giving up 2 goal leads in the 3rd peroid ? What are you talking about? I said it was the past move on. You made up a whole other story about me hating Tanev and went into your standard retort about Benning let him walk and and and... You argue what you want to but never actually talk about what was said. There is no point talking to people that have no reading comprehension skills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick the Warrior Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 37 minutes ago, FaninMex said: What are you talking about? I said it was the past move on. You made up a whole other story about me hating Tanev and went into your standard retort about Benning let him walk and and and... You argue what you want to but never actually talk about what was said. There is no point talking to people that have no reading comprehension skills yet here you are replying back after saying you are finished after your last post lol dude you started this whole conversation because you are butt hurt about Schenn for some reason and started crying about people bringing up the past lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick the Warrior Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: It'd cost them less to go after a winger outside of the division One that plays both is what the Flames really need incase lose either 1C or 2C to injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, wildcam said: Canucks offer 1.7 million ? Flames offer 4 million what would you do? His career turned around as in less injuries and last 2 yrs Tanev has be very very good.. Sure hope we don't let assets walk anymore.. Tanev - zerso return Markstrom - zero return Taffoli -- zero return Can't let top players like this walk.These 3 players should of brought good returns. When are you suppose to get good returns for those 3 players?? Right before they hit UFA? That isn't going to happen. At the TDL? Well we got Toffoli for the playoff run. So that's 1 person out, the other 2 well, if we're trading players to help with the playoff stretch, I'm sure there wasn't going to be a reason to actually trade them at the TDL. So again, when can they be traded for good returns, because you're not going to get a lot for pending UFAs right before they hit free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wildcam Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Viper007 said: When are you suppose to get good returns for those 3 players?? Right before they hit UFA? That isn't going to happen. At the TDL? Well we got Toffoli for the playoff run. So that's 1 person out, the other 2 well, if we're trading players to help with the playoff stretch, I'm sure there wasn't going to be a reason to actually trade them at the TDL. So again, when can they be traded for good returns, because you're not going to get a lot for pending UFAs right before they hit free agency. Horvat is a great example..He should of been signed before season started? Can you imagine hearing president talk on radio about the player? Rutherford needs to stop going verbal about the coach..This has happened at least 3 times now... Players like Bruce.. Rutherford saying we will try and sign Horvat but his great start only help his trade stock value??? I bet Bo Horvat is leaving this team come this summer.. I can only imagine how he feels and this wife and parent will be the only people he vents with.. Love Bo Horvat playing so good.. Like Horvat style #2 centre on any team and #1 centre on a few teams.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck-lifer Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Tanev has a 10 team trade list on his contract. I would think the Canucks would be at spot # 32 for him ..:) Hopefully something shakes loose in the next 1-2 days as the media are working the rumours HARD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hero11 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Miller instead of Horvat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Odjick 4 Premier said: One that plays both is what the Flames really need incase lose either 1C or 2C to injury Most teams don't have the luxury of a third top six center just hanging about on the wing. Flames need help on the wing and realistically they can't afford to extend Horvat given how their cap is structured. They aren't giving that up to rent Horvat. It also doesn't make sense for them to pay the higher cost of trading with a direct divisional rival. They don't need a center, Horvat doesn't make sense for them, they need help on the wing and it'd be much more cost effective to pursue a winger who plays in another division. Doesn't matter how the trade works for the Canucks if it doesn't make sense for Calgary. Edited November 17, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Viper007 said: When are you suppose to get good returns for those 3 players?? Right before they hit UFA? That isn't going to happen. At the TDL? Well we got Toffoli for the playoff run. So that's 1 person out, the other 2 well, if we're trading players to help with the playoff stretch, I'm sure there wasn't going to be a reason to actually trade them at the TDL. So again, when can they be traded for good returns, because you're not going to get a lot for pending UFAs right before they hit free agency. You plan a year in advance for Markstrom. Get Demko in more games early, and figure out if he's ready. If not, pick up a washed up has-been to shelter Demko while he gets ready. Absolutely 0 excuses for letting a vezina-caliber goaltender walk for free, when the return should have been extremely high if he was traded with some term on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: You plan a year in advance for Markstrom. Get Demko in more games early, and figure out if he's ready. If not, pick up a washed up has-been to shelter Demko while he gets ready. Absolutely 0 excuses for letting a vezina-caliber goaltender walk for free, when the return should have been extremely high if he was traded with some term on his contract. So you're trading your #1 goalie while in a playoff chase. That would go very well with all the players on the team. No team who is in a playoff hunt would trade their #1 goalie unless they're purposefully tanking. If the canucks were tanking, they wouldn't have traded for Toffoli in the first place. Your planning makes no sense. Demko was a backup and the goalie of the future for the Canucks. I still believe the Canucks made the right decision and kept Demko. Markstrom isn't doing much better with Calgary this season. Also Markstrom has no term on his contract. He was a UFA. So what sort of extremely high return do you get with no term on his contract? Plus you're going to trade away your #1 goalie after his father passed away? Wow you have absolutely no sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Viper007 said: So you're trading your #1 goalie while in a playoff chase. That would go very well with all the players on the team. No team who is in a playoff hunt would trade their #1 goalie unless they're purposefully tanking. If the canucks were tanking, they wouldn't have traded for Toffoli in the first place. Your planning makes no sense. Demko was a backup and the goalie of the future for the Canucks. I still believe the Canucks made the right decision and kept Demko. Markstrom isn't doing much better with Calgary this season. Also Markstrom has no term on his contract. He was a UFA. So what sort of extremely high return do you get with no term on his contract? Plus you're going to trade away your #1 goalie after his father passed away? Wow you have absolutely no sympathy. Then you re-sign him to a long term deal, let Demko remain backup for one more year, and then trade Markstrom. There are a ton of teams right now that have mediocre to bad goaltending that would be willing to give up assets for a goalie as good as Markstrom. Again - doable if planned for in advance. There was no planning. Just every offseason, try a hail mary to make the playoffs. Weird to insinuate that the team didn't have options. Good teams don't let star players walk for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 18 hours ago, Viper007 said: When are you suppose to get good returns for those 3 players?? Right before they hit UFA? That isn't going to happen. At the TDL? Well we got Toffoli for the playoff run. So that's 1 person out, the other 2 well, if we're trading players to help with the playoff stretch, I'm sure there wasn't going to be a reason to actually trade them at the TDL. So again, when can they be traded for good returns, because you're not going to get a lot for pending UFAs right before they hit free agency. Also idk what you mean that pending ufa's (rentals) don't command high returns at the tdl considering that you also referenced toffoli and that he was in fact a rental.. and he cost us a lot to get lol. plenty of such cases, barclay goodrow comes to mind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Then you re-sign him to a long term deal, let Demko remain backup for one more year, and then trade Markstrom. There are a ton of teams right now that have mediocre to bad goaltending that would be willing to give up assets for a goalie as good as Markstrom. Again - doable if planned for in advance. There was no planning. Just every offseason, try a hail mary to make the playoffs. Weird to insinuate that the team didn't have options. Good teams don't let star players walk for nothing. There was an expansion draft where you could only protect 1 goalie. That's why Demko was chosen and Markstrom was left to pursue free agency. All the trades were planned for the expansion draft. Were they planned well? That's a different discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Also idk what you mean that pending ufa's (rentals) don't command high returns at the tdl considering that you also referenced toffoli and that he was in fact a rental.. and he cost us a lot to get lol. plenty of such cases, barclay goodrow comes to mind Ya the canucks were buyers that TDL. Not sellers, so why would you trade Markstrom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, Viper007 said: There was an expansion draft where you could only protect 1 goalie. That's why Demko was chosen and Markstrom was left to pursue free agency. All the trades were planned for the expansion draft. Were they planned well? That's a different discussion. Cool then to my earlier point, trade Markstrom at the deadline to a contender. Idk. Simple enough if there's any belief in long term planning over desperately throwing it all in every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Viper007 said: Ya the canucks were buyers that TDL. Not sellers, so why would you trade Markstrom? Yeah well maybe they shouldn't have been buyers, knowing what the future was going to hold, and how many top tier assets they were going to have to let walk for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Yeah well maybe they shouldn't have been buyers, knowing what the future was going to hold, and how many top tier assets they were going to have to let walk for free. Can't jump to the future to find out what will occur later. I don't know about you, but I definitely enjoyed the bubble playoff run. Gave me an escape from COVID and being stuck at home. I'm glad they picked up Toffoli for that run. In hindsight would the Canucks do it again? Hard to say. Schaller and Madden haven't done anything. So far the 2nd round pick hasn't done anything either. So if you look at hindsight, the Canucks would probably do that trade again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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