combover Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Well I think the trade is............. Horvat (5.50 Million), Rathbone (.850) and Pearson (3.25 Million) = 9.600 Million (Rathbone sent down to Columbus farm team) = $8.750 cap for Columbus for *Voracek (8.250 Million X 2) , Johnson (.925 Million) and Ceulemans (NCAA) = 9.125 Million Canucks cap space after trade according to Capfriendly = $1,352,083 Canucks trade Voracek at 50% for additional savings of = $4,125,000 Total Canuck Cap space created by trade = $5,477,083 Note* Columbus can clear all 2023-2024 unwanted cap space by moving Pearson at TDL or the summer. Note** Columbus keeps Jiricek and their 2023 1st why would horvat ever sign with CBJ they suck they are similar to us. he wasted half his career playing for a go nowhere organization why would he ever choose to go to another one. so instead waiting and going to almost any team he wants he’s picking CBJ…. I just don’t see it. Cbj isn’t giving up anything for a rental this season . . Edited November 18, 2022 by combover 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 25 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Nylander has a bigger cap hit than Myers. Pass on Nylander cause he is not a playoff performer and lots of other reasons. He literally has 30 points in 39 playoff games 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad alice french Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 56 minutes ago, Pears said: All would be forgiven if management somehow managed to swindle this. Obviously not a straight swap there would have to be some possible retention as well as some complementary pieces but that team is desperate for a solid NHL defender. Myers would be a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad alice french Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, cripplereh said: Makes more sense to us making two maybe three trades to right the ship.If we can't then stay on course trade more and rebuild. The thing is the question I’ve been asking myself a lot lately doesn’t revolve around the quality of players we have here. It’s the mix. The chemistry. Something fundamentally a little off at the core of it all. Have we grown complacent and overly attached to these supposed core pieces? It just feels to me like things are gonna get blown up here soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, combover said: why would horvat ever sign with CBJ they suck they are similar to us. he wasted half his career playing for a go nowhere organization why would he ever choose to go to another one. so instead waiting and going to almost any team he wants he’s picking CBJ…. I just don’t see it. Cbj isn’t giving up anything for a rental this season . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Columbus Peeke 24 - RD - 6'3 - 20--23 minute guy -- ELC 875,000 - then 3 yrs X 2.7 million Roslovic 25 - C - 6'1 -- GP 48--- 34 points 2019-20. ---- 2020-21 GP 81 - 22 G - - 45 points. ---- 2 yrs x 4 million 3rd rounder 2023 Vancouver Horvat 27 - C Rathbone 23 -LD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 12 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: I could see something like: to CBJ - (C) Bo Horvat and (LD) Jack Rathbone to VAN - (C) Jack Roslovic, (LD/RD) Jake Bean and 4th I could see Roslovic 25 - 6'1 C -- Peeke 25 RD- 6'3 -- 20--23 min -- 3rd rounder 2023 Horvat - C - Rathbone 23 -LD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, combover said: why would horvat ever sign with CBJ they suck they are similar to us. he wasted half his career playing for a go nowhere organization why would he ever choose to go to another one. so instead waiting and going to almost any team he wants he’s picking CBJ…. I just don’t see it. Cbj isn’t giving up anything for a rental this season . . Bo will be 28 at the end of this season, and can sign a 8 year deal with the club holding his rights.........if he is offered anywhere near Millers deal, it would be done before he is traded, or just after, but the leg work would be done before the deal. If given a choice between Horvat and Miller, just solely on age, I take Horvat. Better defensively, and better on the draw.......if given choice Columbus takes Horvat All so, Columbus is close (334 miles) to London, Ontario, which is not really a long way, and that is a guaranteed distance, where as his best offers may come from further away. If anything, there is just no guarantee that any offers come from any winning program, as Most, if not all winning programs, would have to clear $8,000,000 in cap space, where as a trade can be cap neutral, they are easier to do. (As we all know, moving cap cost assets or some sort, or alot of money on buyouts, something I do not feel Horvat is worth) So, yes, you maybe right, and I may be crazy, but...........I think Horvat would sign with the team that trades for him, because they do not pull the gun, unless they know they can sign him long term, which they can only know if the Canucks let them do it. "IF" Columbus truly wants him, they know approx. how much he wants, and are willing to pay..........."IF" it is in fact true..........????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, combover said: why would horvat ever sign with CBJ they suck they are similar to us. he wasted half his career playing for a go nowhere organization why would he ever choose to go to another one. so instead waiting and going to almost any team he wants he’s picking CBJ…. I just don’t see it. Cbj isn’t giving up anything for a rental this season . . So how many Stanley Cup contenders will have $8 million in free cap space to sign Horvat in the summer? It's easy to say he will just sign with a contender. Which contender right now has the cap space to add him to their roster next summer? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: So how many Stanley Cup contenders will have $8 million in free cap space to sign Horvat in the summer? It's easy to say he will just sign with a contender. Which contender right now has the cap space to add him to their roster next summer? Maybe he signs 2 to 3 one year deals to try to win a cup before a 3 to 4 year retirement deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said: Bo will be 28 at the end of this season, and can sign a 8 year deal with the club holding his rights.........if he is offered anywhere near Millers deal, it would be done before he is traded, or just after, but the leg work would be done before the deal. If given a choice between Horvat and Miller, just solely on age, I take Horvat. Better defensively, and better on the draw.......if given choice Columbus takes Horvat All so, Columbus is close (334 miles) to London, Ontario, which is not really a long way, and that is a guaranteed distance, where as his best offers may come from further away. If anything, there is just no guarantee that any offers come from any winning program, as Most, if not all winning programs, would have to clear $8,000,000 in cap space, where as a trade can be cap neutral, they are easier to do. (As we all know, moving cap cost assets or some sort, or alot of money on buyouts, something I do not feel Horvat is worth) So, yes, you maybe right, and I may be crazy, but...........I think Horvat would sign with the team that trades for him, because they do not pull the gun, unless they know they can sign him long term, which they can only know if the Canucks let them do it. "IF" Columbus truly wants him, they know approx. how much he wants, and are willing to pay..........."IF" it is in fact true..........????? Agreed 100% Jan. If Columbus offers Horvat an 8x8 deal why would he turn that down? Makes no sense. It's not like there are 10-15 teams out there with millions in cap space. How many offers did little Johnny get in the summer? Kadri? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, cripplereh said: Maybe he signs 2 to 3 one year deals to try to win a cup before a 3 to 4 year retirement deal. Why would Horvat sign a short term deal just to win a cup? He's looking for a retirement deal like everyone else. And I don't blame him either... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Why would Horvat sign a short term deal just to win a cup? He's looking for a retirement deal like everyone else. And I don't blame him either... Every players goal is a cup no matter unless you are European then seems more for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Kings Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, cripplereh said: Maybe he signs 2 to 3 one year deals to try to win a cup before a 3 to 4 year retirement deal. This year is the "jackpot" year , where he can maximize the earning. noway he would settle for a short term deal. His UFA value will drop significanty three years later. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, cripplereh said: Maybe he signs 2 to 3 one year deals to try to win a cup before a 3 to 4 year retirement deal. Risky IMO And it still requires 8 million.............. there are only 3 teams..............Arizona, Anahiem, and Buffalo with Cap to spend over 8 Million But he would not even know if they wanted him until he was a UFA..........again..........big risk! And none of those teams are close to contending.......... Or he can sign with a team that wants him, and is close to his family..........IMO he would have to give that serious consideration 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 minute ago, The King of Kings said: This year is the "jackpot" year , where he can maximize the earning. noway he would settle for a short term deal. His UFA value will drop significanty three years later. Well if the goal is a cup I would . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Kings Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, cripplereh said: Every players goal is a cup no matter unless you are European then seems more for the money. If his agent ever let his client to think that way, I wonder how that agent could survive in this business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, The King of Kings said: If his agent ever let his client to think that way, I wonder how that agent could survive in this business. That is funny as agents have many players signed. Guess no ufa wants to win anymore according to most.They just want a payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, cripplereh said: Every players goal is a cup no matter unless you are European then seems more for the money. Every player's goal is to take care of their families first and foremost... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just now, cripplereh said: That is funny as agents have many players signed. Guess no ufa wants to win anymore according to most.They just want a payday. #1. The cup is very illusive for 1 thing, better to part of the solution #2. Columbus has a very good stable of young players, even after offering up a few #3. Columbus is riddle with injuries #4. Ridding themselves of Voracek, while adding Horvat has huge value to Columbus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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