Goal:thecup Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: "Bloodbath & Beyond"?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just gotta keep dragging these heavy blue balls around, I guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, myre said: Well of course they may have. But a very good model to make your team better is by drafting quality players not trading draft picks for other teams cast offs. The majority of second rounders never play a game in the NHL. Baer was a pretty sure thing NHL player at that point........those are the deals you should use draft picks for 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Near? ......No he was useless. True. I was trying to be nice haha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, mll said: He helped develop Horvat - gave him some skill to play with vs grinders only. Agreed to disagree but okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, stawns said: The majority of second rounders never play a game in the NHL. Baer was a pretty sure thing NHL player at that point........those are the deals you should use draft picks for Absolutely not! This argument also is getting quite tiresome. Many first rounders don't become NHL players either. But unless you have more bullets in the chamber, you're never going to know. There has been top defenseman drafted in the second round. Just like the pick we gave away was. No general manager in the right mind is going to trade a decent player that they drafted in the first round for a second round pick If that player is a quality player, does that make sense? While in a perfect world, I can understand your argument when you say that is the trade that should be made, but it is very seldom that a player is given up on that is drafted in the first round and traded away in their early 20s. In fact, it's probably more rare that that happens then it is a decent player being selected in the second round. Edited February 22, 2023 by myre 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stawns Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, myre said: Absolutely not! This argument also is getting quite tiresome. Many first rounders don't become NHL players either. But unless you have more bullets in the chamber, you're never going to know. There has been top defenseman drafted in the second round. Just like the pick we gave away was. No general manager in the right mind is going to trade a decent player that they drafted in the first round for a second round pick If that player is a quality player, does that make sense? While in a perfect world, I can understand your argument when you say that is the trade that should be made, but it is very seldom that a player is given up on that is drafted in the first round and traded away in their early 20s. In fact, it's probably more rare that that happens then it is a decent player being selected in the second round. I'll take a known commodity every time over a lottery ticket, with a first being the exception 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, EdgarM said: It is an exciting time of the year, especially exciting if you're not going to be a playoff team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 20 minutes ago, mll said: He helped develop Horvat - gave him some skill to play with vs grinders only. I agree, giving Horvat some actual skill to work with definitely helped develop him. Baertschi was easily on his way to being a consistent 20-25 goal 50 point winger if concussions didn't get the better of him. Not a top line producer, but definitely solid 2nd line production. He basically could have been a slightly better goal scoring version of Garland. Plus, while not a defensive stalwart, he wasn't bad defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, stawns said: I'll take a known commodity every time over a lottery ticket, with a first being the exception Yeah it's worked out really well. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is kind of the definition of insanity, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rychicken Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Imagine being proactive and still running out of time maybe the offices at Rogers Arena still have rotary phones? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, myre said: Yeah it's worked out really well. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is kind of the definition of insanity, isn't it? that's how most teams are built, not just Van. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't Can you name a team in NHL history built soley on draft picks? Or even mostly on draft picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, Diamonds said: I agree, giving Horvat some actual skill to work with definitely helped develop him. Baertschi was easily on his way to being a consistent 20-25 goal 50 point winger if concussions didn't get the better of him. Not a top line producer, but definitely solid 2nd line production. He basically could have been a slightly better goal scoring version of Garland. Plus, while not a defensive stalwart, he wasn't bad defensively. And the dman drafted with that pick is a 50 point right shot smooth skating top 2 dman. Again, I don't even think this should be a debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, stawns said: that's how most teams are built, not just Van. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't Can you name a team in NHL history built soley on draft picks? Or even mostly on draft picks? I think the better question is can you name a team that has been successful by trading their pics away for other teams cast offs? Also, you're kind of missing the point if we were in a position where we should be trading pics for these players. Sure. Maybe that's something however we never were. We desperately needed those pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, myre said: I think the better question is can you name a team that has been successful by trading their pics away for other teams cast offs? Also, you're kind of missing the point if we were in a position where we should be trading pics for these players. Sure. Maybe that's something however we never were. We desperately needed those pics every team that's ever won a stanley cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Just now, stawns said: every team that's ever won a stanley cup Haha what? So every team that has won a cup has traded 2nd rounders for early 20 year old cast offs, ie Vey and Baer? Please be more specific and show examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, stawns said: I'll take a known commodity every time over a lottery ticket, with a first being the exception Miller for futures? <cough cough> 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 minute ago, HKSR said: Miller for futures? <cough cough> To be fair @stawns is talking about 21-23 year old former first rounders for 2nd rounders which has pretty much never been a successful model and certainly hasn't been in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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