It Is Time For A Fan Representative To Sit At The Table, Inclusion.

[ToTellTheTruth]

The team this year is about inclusion so why not the most important participant?

 

There are advantage to a non paid fan representative, they could ask the really hard questions without worrying about losing their job.

 

The media, some of them, are doing a fairly decent to good job expressing fan angst but to management this might just be part of their schtick to create a following.

 

Rutherford has been pretty open but some of the questions while tough stop short. 

 

Questions about cap space, okay it is tough being capped out but with retention the Canuck existing spent cap space can be shared or lent to another trade partner. This is okay when a team is "building" but not if a team is a WIN NOW group.

 

What is the end goal, the target?, What is the expected window? A one and done cup appearance? Don't specify players but why would their choices be different than the previous 40 years of the same choices? Are they aware that for the most part the best players this team has ever had were selected in the first round of the draft? Linden, Sedins, Bourdon (RIP), Horvat, Pettersson etc... it didn't take ALL of them 5 or 6 years to be relevant. Why would it take longer for the Canucks to do a scorched earth or even large rebuild than Ottawa, Montreal, Buffalo (3 rebuild since 2012), Colorado and others? Do they think 5 bad years scares the fans? How can they not be aware that the fans have just gone through 9 years of wandering lost in the forest without a plan and are still loyal?

 

I just don't think they really listen to media types, to them they are just questions for paid show representatives.

 

But questions from the Advocate for the fans would be from the grass roots.

 

An Advocate could express direct opinions of fans to management. We do it all the time in forums and public but they can ignore that and change what is being the cause for frustration into what they want to do and then label it as what fans want.

 

Did you know that the fans just want a playoff game or two and that will be enough?

 

Do they know that when they are saying "It can be turned around in a couple of years" this statement is maybe the 5th or 10th time the fans in this market have heard this?

 

A question could be is why would doing the same thing over again change the outcome?

 

Why can't the team do a rebuild? What stops them?

 

Do they think fans aren't aware of what other teams are doing, how they are improving, why they passed the Canucks in the standings.

 

Inclusion across the board, WHY NOT A FAN ADVOCATE? A grass roots engagement not just season ticket holder meeting once a year unattended by any GM or higher.

 

IMO Allvin and the other 3 GMs aren't talking because their job is to run the team and Rutherford can say whatever because his job isn't to do that, his job was to hire these people to do that job. He can say anything to the media and fans it is only if he says something to those he hired to do the job those words probably start with "your" and end with "fired" and that will only come when there are more empty seats or players start being public about wanting out of this mess. Which IMO is happening now through agents. 

 

Any Advocate cannot be someone that is paid to do it, they can't want to be in the public eye, they should be older and experienced. They can't be small, I mean blame a player for poor performance or hold any player on a pedestal, they have to be a fan of the team not individual players. Players come and go but it is the team that sticks around .

 

The media can ask any question but they can be ignored but fans? Why was it necessary to get any attention by flying a banner, throwing $250 jersey's, wearing paper bags or chanting negativity? Why did it take so long?

 

In the long run ALL them work for fans. If we don't show up they get fired and changes happen.

 

An observation, American fans support winners, no a winner they don't go. Even Seattle was having concerns in their first year because they were not very good. Pittsburgh was bleeding fans even with winning until they lucked out with Malkin and Crosby, Washington until they got Ovechkin, Chicago got Toews and Kane the other thing is they also became winners. In the states if teams start having too many empty seats they get change in different ways than Canada. Even TO, Canada's team was starting to have some trouble ditto with Montreal then change.

 

Those teams did rebuilds and it didn't take a decade. Young players can make an impact immediately Toews and Kane were 21 with a cup, Crosby 20, Malkin 21, Stamkos & Hedman 23, Kucherov 20, Kopiter 22, Doughty 20 all these teams had less than four losing seasons after drafting them, some even became playoff teams earlier so the fallacy of taking "A REAL LONG TIME" is just that, Vancouver had enough time in the fog for two rebuilds and be in a better position now.

 

At any rate why not have a seat at the table? We are supposed to be the most important part of the team.

 

We just have to make sure it isn't a fanatic, blames individual players or has instant gratification expectations. They would need to be able to ask hard questions and be able to follow up with facts.

 

They are so afraid of the true fan opinion they will not even have a polling company do a poll with sensible questions. Even though polls can shape the opinion into what they want but they won't do it. But fans do have a vote, don't buy tickets and that is a powerful vote. If half the fans attending didn't go as a demonstration of the frustration of being taken advantage of what a message, international. It would be something never done before.

 

So inclusion eh! a Fan advocate at some of these pressers to ask questions

Edited January 20, 2023 by ToTellTheTruth

[Ghostsof1915]

You have impact. 

- Don't go to games.

- Don't buy merchanidize.

- Listen on Radio/Internet instead of watch on TV.

 

Less revenue will send a message the fans are unhappy. 

The problem is Ownership/Management aren't doing what they should in building a better team. 

They should care less about playoff revenue and look for long term success that means the team can compete for the Cup for years to come.

 

[awalk]

[OldFaithfulCap]

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by OldFaithfulCap
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[da_hool]

/facepalm

[ToTellTheTruth]

1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

You have impact. 

- Don't go to games.

- Don't buy merchanidize.

- Listen on Radio/Internet instead of watch on TV.

 

Less revenue will send a message the fans are unhappy. 

The problem is Ownership/Management aren't doing what they should in building a better team. 

They should care less about playoff revenue and look for long term success that means the team can compete for the Cup for years to come.

 

The idea is to be able to follow up on media statements in live time.

How many fans were put on alert with the "fix in two years" comment. To what end? What goal? For how long?

How about the "we will trade for young failures" AGAIN, almost a direct quote from Benning, a big RED FLAG? But not mentioned live on camera.

How about a rebuild takes a really long time? Why wasn't there past rebuilds mentioned for how fast they turned franchises around even if a jusdicial tank for super star players.

How about, Why were there no GMs at the season ticket holders meeting? That was plain disrespect for the fans as not that important.

 

Put them in position to account for some comments, as I posted there the cap. If buyouts are now being contemplated, Miller's contract amount not an issue in a few years, why can't retention be used if willing to throw away money for buyouts, sure there are no guarantees in tanking but then there are not a lot of super stars in the league drafted after the 1rst round, probably 15 to 1 ratios.

 

And yes the attendance but also public expression too. The movie Draft Day kind of showed a bunch of people outside protesting, has that ever happened in real life?

 

I really hope all this chaos is Rutherford managing up, embarrassing the franchise into doing what needs to be done and that there are many big changes in the works. They did fire Rachel because of a supposed leak so they want a tight silent office. That could be why they are also keeping those GMs from the public eye because sometimes a reaction is a telling as talking.

[ToTellTheTruth]

 

 

5 minutes ago, OldFaithfulCap said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, da_hool said:

/facepalm

Ya I expected the company to do the usual ridicule stuff without making any kind of comments, always happens on this forum.

 

No room for creativity or empowerment especially from the fans

[KyGuy123]

All they have to do is go on here or HF boards to see fan reactions. Technology makes it very easy nowadays and you know they have an ear to the ground when it comes to that stuff. 

[OldFaithfulCap]

6 minutes ago, ToTellTheTruth said:

 

 

 

Ya I expected the company to do the usual ridicule stuff without making any kind of comments, always happens on this forum.

 

No room for creativity or empowerment especially from the fans

There's always room for creativity. Lots of it shown here. You had an idea and posted it. I was commenting via gif on the likelihood of a fan coup since most threads seem to want the owner and/or management gone.

 

It's just hard for fans to agree on anything from jersey colours, to line-ups etc. Not sure giving one a voice would help. I like the idea of polls for things but they can get manipulated. I'm just not sure it's the fan voice that's missing which is the problem.

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by OldFaithfulCap
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[canucklehead44]

23 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

You have impact. 

- Don't go to games.

- Don't buy merchanidize.

- Listen on Radio/Internet instead of watch on TV.

 

Less revenue will send a message the fans are unhappy. 

The problem is Ownership/Management aren't doing what they should in building a better team. 

They should care less about playoff revenue and look for long term success that means the team can compete for the Cup for years to come.

 

Unfortunately if it is a rebuild you want this the opposite of what will happen. They will spin tires trying to make the playoffs every year.

I always thought about it would be cool to release a vote out to the fan base. For sample:

What direction would you like the Canucks to go in?

And have three options: Rebuild, Retool, and Compete with a summary of what each plan entails. 

Or if they are deciding on an option, like trade or re-sign Bo Horvat, have the fans vote on it. Maybe it won't be a final decision but it would be cool to have some sort of say. 

[rawkdrummer]

no thanks, it's already bad enough

 

[chon derry]

[MeanSeanBean]

Have you listened to the radio post game after a loss? That gives you a snapshot of the averages fan conversational skills on subjects like this. The average person gets nervous, emotional, is under educated, and ends up just repeating the same points over and over or going off on wild tangents that have nothing to do with anything.

 

The fans can talk on fan forums like this. Leave the rest to the professionals. 

[wai_lai416]

no thx you and i and he and they have different opinions.. so are you representing me? him? her? or yourself?

[ToTellTheTruth]

18 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

Unfortunately if it is a rebuild you want this the opposite of what will happen. They will spin tires trying to make the playoffs every year.

I always thought about it would be cool to release a vote out to the fan base. For sample:

What direction would you like the Canucks to go in?

And have three options: Rebuild, Retool, and Compete with a summary of what each plan entails. 

Or if they are deciding on an option, like trade or re-sign Bo Horvat, have the fans vote on it. Maybe it won't be a final decision but it would be cool to have some sort of say. 

Whether I want a rebuild or not it is what most fans, one's that have been around a long time want to see. There is so much data out there it is hard to see any other direction for improvement, big improvement. Just what they propose for Pettersson or the cap is relevant.

 

I agree they have convinced themselves and are now trying to convince fans that going for a quick fix is the fans idea. Without trying to show what that future looks like or how they will get there.

 

I guess that comment of Which Direction would be a good poll question for a forum and be informative but having a person at the presser asking would have a bigger more immediate impact.

[Ghostsof1915]

I vote Alf to represent us. 

[ToTellTheTruth]

14 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

Have you listened to the radio post game after a loss? That gives you a snapshot of the averages fan conversational skills on subjects like this. The average person gets nervous, emotional, is under educated, and ends up just repeating the same points over and over or going off on wild tangents that have nothing to do with anything.

 

The fans can talk on fan forums like this. Leave the rest to the professionals. 

Forums are for fans, media pressers are for them to explain stuff. Has there ever been a forum where a GM or management person has answered the easiest question fans have posted? Ever?

 

Professionals can be controlled just ask Jeff Pattersson who was banned from media pressers, a Fan Advocate banning would be news worthy around the world

 

[Coconuts]

6 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

I vote Alf to represent us. 

[ToTellTheTruth]

33 minutes ago, KyGuy123 said:

All they have to do is go on here or HF boards to see fan reactions. Technology makes it very easy nowadays and you know they have an ear to the ground when it comes to that stuff. 

Where do they ever answer to fans? Season ticket holder meetings? Those folks who put out 20 g's a year? Nope they ignored them.

The idea is to get an answer and be able to ask the tough questions without worrying about losing a job.

[Ghostsof1915]

Just now, Coconuts said:

Come on, the entertainment value alone will be epic. "No more Bustaroo Banzai Picks!"