mll Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, HKSR said: That wasn't the point. The point was that Bo went in asking for PPG 1C money. Lou didn't come into the conversation throwing down $68m over 8 years. He surely came in much lower. Joke or not, there is surely some truth to the too much and too long comment otherwise he wouldn't have said it. Don't see how it wasn't a joke - just the tone and the way he answered. They asked him a question they already knew he wasn't going to answer and himself laughed with them because everyone in the room knew he wasn't going to answer. His agent called him a C1 before the trade. Of course he was going to ask for C1 money and really doubt NYI didn't know that before pulling the trigger. They have him as their C1 with Barzal moving to wing - ie they didn't acquire him to be C2 but C1 and most likely knew the price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canuck73_3 Posted April 11, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, mll said: Don't see how it wasn't a joke - just the tone and the way he answered. They asked him a question they already knew he wasn't going to answer and himself laughed with them because everyone in the room knew he wasn't going to answer. His agent called him a C1 before the trade. Of course he was going to ask for C1 money and really doubt NYI didn't know that before pulling the trigger. They have him as their C1 with Barzal moving to wing - ie they didn't acquire him to be C2 but C1 and most likely knew the price. It comes down to wishful thinking and some fans need to win the trade. Reality is all 3 parties won, The Canucks got their potential Top pair RHD, and a good depth piece in Beauvillier, The Isles got their #1 C, and Bo got his deal. And there is nothing wrong with that. Edited April 11, 2023 by canuck73_3 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big D Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: It comes down to wishful thinking and some fans need to win the trade. Reality is al 3 parties won, The Canucks got their potential Top pair RHD, and a good depth piece in Beauvillier, The Isles got their #1 C, and Bo got his deal. And there is nothing wrong with that. Don’t forget we also got one of the Islanders top prospects in Raty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, mll said: Don't see how it wasn't a joke - just the tone and the way he answered. They asked him a question they already knew he wasn't going to answer and himself laughed with them because everyone in the room knew he wasn't going to answer. His agent called him a C1 before the trade. Of course he was going to ask for C1 money and really doubt NYI didn't know that before pulling the trigger. They have him as their C1 with Barzal moving to wing - ie they didn't acquire him to be C2 but C1 and most likely knew the price. Still highly, highly unlikely that Lou walked in offering 8.5m x 8. My guess is Bo and agent came in asking for $9m+ and Lou came in under $8m. Now just ask yourself who had the leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Just now, HKSR said: Still highly, highly unlikely that Lou walked in offering 8.5m x 8. My guess is Bo and agent came in asking for $9m+ and Lou came in under $8m. Now just ask yourself who had the leverage. Like in any negotiation - player comes high, teams come low and they somehow meet at a spot that fits both. NYI knew the price for a C1. No different than Allan Walsh having the leverage in the Hronek negotiations but doubt Vancouver is going to be blindsided by the ask - they paid the price to get a top-pairing RD and likely have a pretty good indication already of where that could land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 48 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Well you compared RFA deals to a UFA deal, those aren't apples to apples. horvat is not a ppg nor has he ever scored 100 plus pts. apples to peanuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, mll said: Like in any negotiation - player comes high, teams come low and they somehow meet at a spot that fits both. NYI knew the price for a C1. No different than Allan Walsh having the leverage in the Hronek negotiations but doubt Vancouver is going to be blindsided by the ask - they paid the price to get a top-pairing RD and likely have a pretty good indication already of where that could land. We're talking about how Bo walked in expecting to be paid like a PPG 1C (ie. $8M+), so the expectation is that he'd continue to perform as a PPG 1C. Bottomline is he is not. He's performing like a 2C. He's scoring about the same as he has throughout his entire career. Until he proves otherwise, he's NOT a PPG 1C. Bo wasn't just handed $8.5M. He asked for it. I don't know why this conversation has devolved into whether or not Lou was blindsided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said: horvat is not a ppg nor has he ever scored 100 plus pts. apples to peanuts Huberdeau won't even hit 60, and there is still 8 years to go @ 10.5 Mill, apples to duds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: Well you compared RFA deals to a UFA deal, those aren't apples to apples. Huberdeau was rfa? Horvat was rfa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said: Huberdeau was rfa? Horvat was rfa? They were both acquired under contract and had UFA years signed on they're renewals, that is apples to apples Hronek and Beauvillier are on RFA deals and still RFA upon renewal, that is not an apples to apples comparison with Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 who cares about 14s comments on Saturday...is that going to make Canuck fans cry or be pissed off? Time to move on from this guy, I was hoping they would fail miserably and we maybe get a 2nd top 10 pick, then we traded the NYI pick for injured Hronek. I still hope NYI fail to reach the playoffs for the sole fact 14 doesn't get playoff hockey this season, if they are healthy next year they should make the playoffs. Sucks having given up that NYI 1st round pick before knowing what year the pick would be in AND what players would be available at that pick say if it was a 2023 1st. Instead, we hope Hronek recovers and we can get him signed to an extension at a reasonable cap hit...Still need a LHD to pair with Hronek and a RHD to pair with Hughes in the top 4 though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: They were both acquired under contract and had UFA years signed on they're renewals, that is apples to apples Hronek and Beauvillier are on RFA deals and still RFA upon renewal, that is not an apples to apples comparison with Bo. 115 pts during contract year for huberdeau maybe 70 pts in contract year Horvat not the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said: 115 pts during contract year for huberdeau maybe 70 pts in contract year Horvat not the same And 55 pts before that 10.5 kicks in, Bo still 70+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) After Bo’s comments, a sports shop in Kitts is offering to re-letter Horvat jerseys for free this weekend: www./rrsportskitsilano.ca/jerseypromo Edited April 11, 2023 by Kenny Powers 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 do you understand during huberdeau during his contract year had 115pts? do you understand during horvats contract year he might hit 70 pts? 45pt difference costs 2m? Huberdeau was a legit #1 center Horvat is a 2b center and is paid as a 2a+ center is horvat better than Miller or Petey? no, so he shouldnt be paid more. Horvat will be making the same aav as Stamkos, Zibanejad, Forsberg stamkos 1,055pts in 1,001 gp Zibanejad 605pts in 766gp Forsberg 511pts in 616gp Horvat 436pts in 650gp bad contract is still a bad contract no matter how you hard you argue otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: And 55 pts before that 10.5 kicks in, Bo still 70+ bo has hit 70pts once in his career with the majority coming from playing in Vancouver with 18 of his 54pts coming on the power play benefiting from Petey & Miller finding him for the bumper play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 3 hours ago, GhostsOf1994 said: If Beau wants 5m plus, he's sent packing. Yes, for the roughly 33 games after the trade. Hronek/ Horvat are not directly comparable as one is a C/W and the other is a RHD dman who is a much more sought after and more valuable commodity. Horvats 8.5 kicks in next season, Beauvillier and Hronek still make a combined 8.550 next season. There not comparable but Hronek is looking for comparable money, that is why he became available. Beau is already overpaid. He is an 18-22 goal small speedy winger that doesn’t kill penalties and may get on second power play. That is a $2M player in my books. He should be on the trade block at this time anyway. We can’t pay another small mid six winger that kind of money especially when our most ready prospect is a small mid six winger that needs his spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 IF the Isles miss the spring dance(after swerving into a muddy, foul smelling ditch) you'd kinda have to wonder if his teammates would be a lil' pissed off w/Bo? Here they were in full control of their ride, & the new guy turns the radio dial to 11 & passes around a bottle. Got a lil' ahead of himself(understandably excited, with his bag of loot$). Must seem like a lot of bonus drama revolving around this 1 new arrival? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 30 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said: do you understand during huberdeau during his contract year had 115pts? do you understand during horvats contract year he might hit 70 pts? 45pt difference costs 2m? Huberdeau was a legit #1 center Horvat is a 2b center and is paid as a 2a+ center is horvat better than Miller or Petey? no, so he shouldnt be paid more. Horvat will be making the same aav as Stamkos, Zibanejad, Forsberg stamkos 1,055pts in 1,001 gp Zibanejad 605pts in 766gp Forsberg 511pts in 616gp Horvat 436pts in 650gp bad contract is still a bad contract no matter how you hard you argue otherwise. nhl.com sucks, the league hasn't invested squat into their online platforms. The website hasn't been updated in years which is why when you go on it you feel like you are running dial-up internet. They also don't update the player's positions which is where you might get misled into believing that Huberdeau is a Center when has been playing LW his whole career. Point being don't trust anything that you read on there, unless you can find a more reliable source that can corroborate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: It comes down to wishful thinking and some fans need to win the trade. Reality is all 3 parties won, The Canucks got their potential Top pair RHD, and a good depth piece in Beauvillier, The Isles got their #1 C, and Bo got his deal. And there is nothing wrong with that. The bigger problem for Horvat is that he has laid the template to perform like a #1 C in NY. the “ I can tell you that for free” comment was a direct dig at Lou Lamorella,. AND the Islander Organization and Fans. IF he does not perform there ,. It’s going to be very unpleasant for him in Long Island,. For 8 years. We think our Fanbase can be nasty ?? The Isles are ruthless. Not very smart of Bo to have opened his mouth about the Canucks,. And the Isles org. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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