Ghostsof1915 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Since Dubas is clearly in the "win now" mindset. They don't have much left. So let's help take everything! From Toronto: (C) Fraser Minten, 2024 4th round pick, 2025 3rd round pick In Exchange: Hoglander, and Rathbone We get a centre, that we can take time to develop into a defensive forward with upside, and picks. Toronto gets players that suit their win now mentality. Here's the devious part. This puts Toronto up against the contract limit. Hoagy is an RFA and even if he signs with the Leafs. He loses his waiver exempt status. So Vancouver might even be able to snag him back! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Neither of the guys we give them have shown they can contribute at the NHL level yet sad as it is? How does that help them 'win now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I just don't see the value being there for Toronto, I'd argue that Rathbone's trade value is minimal and Hoglander's being in the AHL isn't exactly a strong selling point. This doesn't really look to help them much at the NHL level unless Toronto is convinced Hoglander would work better there, which his track record doesn't back up at this point. Canucks pieces that could fit in easily and help Toronto would probably be Bear, Schenn, maybe Beauvillier with retainment, and possibly Lazar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 I do like Minten as a prospect though, and we're still rather weak at center as far as prospects go. I'd offer them Bear or Schenn for Minten straight up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 TOR would want Schenn (or possibly Myers) Doubt they have any interest in Rathbone or Hoglander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Not ready to give up on the Hog yet. He's got grit, and skill. Rathbone? Not so sure. But they're both young guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Just let them marinate in the AHL, OP. There was word that Hoglander was probably too good for Abbey but they kept him down there precisely for the waiver exemption. If Schenn wants a chance to win I say we trade him at the deadline to them, and perhaps we can get Timmins back with a pick since it looks like he lost waiver eligibility and will cost $1.1 million next year (while they have bigger contracts to re-sign). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 18, 2023 Author Share Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, BarnBurner said: Not ready to give up on the Hog yet. He's got grit, and skill. Rathbone? Not so sure. But they're both young guys. My theory is since they won't have any prospects for a while, maybe the value of having ones now, and Hoagy has shown he can play in the NHL level. But I understand if the feelings are we need to add more on our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Since Dubas is clearly in the "win now" mindset. They don't have much left. So let's help take everything! From Toronto: (C) Fraser Minten, 2024 4th round pick, 2025 3rd round pick In Exchange: Hoglander, and Rathbone We get a centre, that we can take time to develop into a defensive forward with upside, and picks. Toronto gets players that suit their win now mentality. Here's the devious part. This puts Toronto up against the contract limit. Hoagy is an RFA and even if he signs with the Leafs. He loses his waiver exempt status. So Vancouver might even be able to snag him back! Why trade young assets that are more advanced than Minten? A guy like Schenn is what TO needs. Minten has some appearance of more upside than Hogz. Good #'s for the Blazers. I o not read read elite skills or athleticism when u read his bio. https://dobberprospects.com/player/fraser-minten/ Do you have more insight? Hogz is a stud athlete with a very high floor. Already faster to pucks, pushes bigger guys off them in the corners. Needs to learn the positioning and slots to drop in to offensively that Horvat learned. But its just upside to capture. He seems a much more guaranteed NHL player to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 5 hours ago, BarnBurner said: Not ready to give up on the Hog yet. He's got grit, and skill. Rathbone? Not so sure. But they're both young guys. You are correct about Hoglander. It's not a question of skill with him, he just has to keep learning to put all of the pieces together in a complete package. He is almost to the point where he could help the NHL club, but I think it is better for him to hang with Abbotsford and maybe learn what playoffs look like in North America. As for Rathbone, if he can avoid brutal hits from behind into the end boards, he'll be a really good puck moving defenceman. Just not yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 Funny proposal pushing the maple leafs all in as they trade for two guys currently not on the NHL roster. All in would be something that could help them this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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