[Buyout] Oliver Ekman-Larsson

[Ted Lasso]

13 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

They need to focus on defense over forwards, or this mediocrity will continue into perpetuity. 

Agreed. Hoping the next move is a hockey trade for a top 4 defenseman.

 

 

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, Kenny Powers said:

Agreed. Hoping the next move is a hockey trade for a top 4 defenseman.

 

 

And a big, mean one at that. 

[PhillipBlunt]

19 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Last year I just thought something was wrong with OEL.   Turns out so did the brass but it wasn't just his ankle. 

 

Same things JB tried to do since Myers.   Hronek needs to come in a make Allvin right.   And sign a team friendly deal and continue to make them right.  As a start.  

I doubt Hronek is thinking about signing a deal that's team friendly. It's going to be a deal that's Hronek friendly. 

[Ted Lasso]

3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

And a big, mean one at that. 

Think there’s something possible around Rathbone for Forbort? 

Edited June 19, 2023 by Kenny Powers

[bishopshodan]

13 minutes ago, Devron said:

Great insight Fried

No kidding.

 

"Canucks are interested in having hockey players to play on the team" 

- Elliotte Friedman. 

[PhillipBlunt]

2 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

Think there’s something possible around Rathbone for Forbort? 

Possibly. Will Boston want to part with him though. They may have to part with some of the defensemen, should their retool happen. 

Edited June 19, 2023 by PhillipBlunt

[Ted Lasso]

2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Possibly. Will Boston want to part with him though. They may have to part with some of the defensemen, should their retool happen. 

The other option mentioned is Mike Reilly. I haven’t seen him play, but looks to be their seventh dman, signed to $3M for one more year (same as Forbort). 
 

 

[IBatch]

17 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I doubt Hronek is thinking about signing a deal that's team friendly. It's going to be a deal that's Hronek friendly. 

Me neither.  But I also doubt his next deal starts with a 7 either.   More likely 6.25 or something and only if he can score 30 EV points.  

[mll]

28 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Last year I just thought something was wrong with OEL.   Turns out so did the brass but it wasn't just his ankle. 

 

Same things JB tried to do since Myers.   Hronek needs to come in a make Allvin right.   And sign a team friendly deal and continue to make them right.  As a start.  

At the end of the season Allvin was arguing against buyouts saying that it would hurt the Canucks when they'll be ready to contend.  

 

He was also explaining why he wasn't overly concerned about OEL.  Felt it was the foot injury that set him back and that he would be back on track with the structure they were implementing and could still be a top-4 D.  

If it was just PR why argue against buyouts - he could have simply said that it wasn't his preference and leave it at that.  

 

Can't buy out injured players so he doesn't have any lingering issues or he wouldn't have been bought out.  He was owed 10.5M in salary and will receive less than 2.5M this coming season.  Would have been better for him cash wise to be bought out in a year which he could have argued if he was still injured.

 

OEL's agent says the buyout took them by surprise - something has changed since mid-April.  

 

Feels like they just had no other option to create cap space for this off-season.  They probably didn't think he could be a top-4 through the remaining length of his contract and would have tried to move on at some point down the road, so are simply doing it earlier.  

 

[24K PureCool]

9 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

No not really even if he doesn’t turn it around he’s still way better option than any 3rd pairing defenceman out there. Having him as a 3rd pair and then using what would have been his cap penalty in year 3 and 4 for another defenceman is way better than having equivalent of 12 mil committed to 1 player assuming they use up all his cap on a defenseman which is very likely considering how our defence look. Again OEL main partner last season is the guy you guys all are screaming crying whining and b*tching about every single day for the last 3 years in Myers. Ever consider Myers plays a big role in why OEL looks so bad? Or are you going to say well defensive partners shouldn’t affect how a player look? Coz if I recall a lot of you were calling Hughes trash and ready to trade him after his 2nd season because he doesn’t have a partner that compatible? 
 

let say we commit the 6-7 mil on a defenceman now to replace OEL add the 4.8mil cap hit then on top of that we need to add the cost of whatever 3rd pairing defenceman they get anywhere from 800k could be up to 2mil. Which would end up 13-14mil cap taken up. For the players and cap penalty. Pretty sure I’ll be happier with OEL as a bottom pair and use the equivalent of 6-7mil on a defenceman or multiple defenceman or other parts of the team. 
 

Those that are so happy with the OEL trade is so short sighted and don’t look past just the cap saving. You can hate on OEL all u want but he’s definitely way better than any 1-1.5mil players on the 3rd pairing 

 

and age decline? Oh so why do we still have miller? He’ll be 33-34 too in year 3 and 4 of the cap penalty and we are paying him 9% of the teams cap? And he’s not even thru the first half of his contract by then?

Once again your argument is OEL is still a nhl dmen. You believe in the guy. I, many others, and management doesn't. 

 

The crux here is we do not believe OEL can even be a 3rd pairing Dmen on a playoff team especially in 3 years 

 

Yes I believe in age related decline and have been on record here to he against Miller extension and wanted him traded since last year. I would live for Miller to be traded out before his ntc kicks in. That will be another albatross we will have to buyout in 4 or 5 years. 

[PhillipBlunt]

3 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Me neither.  But I also doubt his next deal starts with a 7 either.   More likely 6.25 or something and only if he can score 30 EV points.  

Yeah. We'll see.

[IBatch]

3 minutes ago, mll said:

At the end of the season Allvin was arguing against buyouts saying that it would hurt the Canucks when they'll be ready to contend.  

 

He was also explaining why he wasn't overly concerned about OEL.  Felt it was the foot injury that set him back and that he would be back on track with the structure they were implementing and could still be a top-4 D.  

If it was just PR why argue against buyouts - he could have simply said that it wasn't his preference and leave it at that.  

 

Can't buy out injured players so he doesn't have any lingering issues or he wouldn't have been bought out.  He was owed 10.5M in salary and will receive less than 2.5M this coming season.  Would have been better for him cash wise to be bought out in a year which he could have argued if he was still injured.

 

OEL's agent says the buyout took them by surprise - something has changed since mid-April.  

 

Feels like they just had no other option to create cap space for this off-season.  They probably didn't think he could be a top-4 through the remaining length of his contract and would have tried to move on at some point down the road, so are simply doing it earlier.  

 

I know.  

[Barnstorm]

21 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

No kidding.

 

"Canucks are interested in having hockey players to play on the team" 

- Elliotte Friedman. 

Smart as a whip that man is. 

[DownUndaCanuck]

41 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

How it isn't "a defenceman, a defenceman and a 3C" is beyond me.

Allvin has made some good moves so far to address our needs (eg. acquiring Hronek, clearing OEL's cap) but if they dare waste all that good work on acquiring a winger, this team is finished.

 

I get why they're hot on Barbashev but he was a 3rd to 4th line center, sometimes winger, turned top line forward for the Cup winning team and basically scored at a PPG in the playoffs. He's going to out-price us and we have no need for another scorer unless we're looking to move 2-3 of our current draggy wingers out.

 

Barbashev is going to command, and deserves, 5M+ and that's far too much for what we need - a checking PK specialist 3C.

 

Unless we want to go the Boudreau route of having 3 scoring lines, we need a defensive center, and getting Barbashev really doesn't suit Tocchet's style of play. You know he wants a gritty forechecker at 3C, not a flashy scorer who can play gritty and mostly plays on the wing. If we get Barbashev you know he'll end up on Miller's wing with Boeser and we'll have Dries at 3C again.

 

Spend 2M on a boring guy like Kampf and that extra 3M we could acquire a depth defenceman like Soucy. Very boring moves but gives this team far more balance. We've got the flashy guys up front, we really need some solid defensive physical guys. If it's a choice between 5M for Graves or 5M for Barbashev...oh boy...

[24K PureCool]

5 hours ago, Master Mind said:

Instead of 4 more years of pain, we get 8 more years of lesser pain.

 

I understand why they did it, but it just prolongs the mediocrity. 

 

It's not the worst decision. I prefer this over the Hronek trade and ensuing albatross contract he'll get, which will likely be bought out down the road and keep the cycle going.

So essentially you are advocating for a tear it down rebuild, which for the record I am not against. Heck I even said the best thing that could happen is Petey demanding a trade and forcing our hands on a rebuild. That is the only long sighted solution to this. Petey and Hughes ain't gonna stick around a team that basically said they give up the next four years. 

[Ted Lasso]

5 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

How it isn't "a defenceman, a defenceman and a 3C" is beyond me.

Allvin has made some good moves so far to address our needs (eg. acquiring Hronek, clearing OEL's cap) but if they dare waste all that good work on acquiring a winger, this team is finished.

 

I get why they're hot on Barbashev but he was a 3rd to 4th line center, sometimes winger, turned top line forward for the Cup winning team and basically scored at a PPG in the playoffs. He's going to out-price us and we have no need for another scorer unless we're looking to move 2-3 of our current draggy wingers out.

 

Barbashev is going to command, and deserves, 5M+ and that's far too much for what we need - a checking PK specialist 3C.

 

Unless we want to go the Boudreau route of having 3 scoring lines, we need a defensive center, and getting Barbashev really doesn't suit Tocchet's style of play. You know he wants a gritty forechecker at 3C, not a flashy scorer who can play gritty and mostly plays on the wing. If we get Barbashev you know he'll end up on Miller's wing with Boeser and we'll have Dries at 3C again.

 

Spend 2M on a boring guy like Kampf and that extra 3M we could acquire a depth defenceman like Soucy. Very boring moves but gives this team far more balance. We've got the flashy guys up front, we really need some solid defensive physical guys. If it's a choice between 5M for Graves or 5M for Barbashev...oh boy...

I can’t see how Graves wouldn’t be our top target, and wouldn’t mind seeing a similar trade with NJD as the Severson deal.

[24K PureCool]

1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said:

Look up his metric is Arizona to see he’s bad? So how did he some how managed to look ok in Vancouver in his first year and he actually looked great when Hughes went down and OEL took his role while he was healthy? 
 

let’s stick Hughes with Myers for a year and let see how good Hughes look.

 

OEL is a miscast in Vancouver. He was never a defensive shutdown defenceman yet he’s pretty much cast into that role in Vancouver. He have 10% higher defensive zone starts in Vancouver than he did his entire career in Arizona. 
 

OEL have always been average at best defensively but a very good puck moving defenceman at getting the puck up the ice and producing offensively. In Vancouver he’s thrust into a role that was never part of his game. 60% defensive zone start along with Myers lol OEL have been a -10 to -20 player his entire career in Arizona pretty much not sure why people are expecting him to be the great defensive shutdown guy that can go against other teams top lines.. especially with Myers lol.

 

with the right team and the right fit he will not be great be still be effective. 
 

buying him out is still a dumb move as it only benefits year 1 and 2 when this team is still light years away from being a contender and 0 benefit from year 3-8

 

OEL haven’t been great and looked bad last season I don’t dispute that. But playing him in a 3rd pairing role and not buying him out would have been a much better option than spending 7mil with this cap saving eating up another 4.8 in year 2 and 3 and then signing a 1-1.5 mil 3rd pairing. 
 

I much rather sign a 6 or 7 mil top 4 in year 3 and 4 and then have OEL as a 3rd pair you have to be an absolute hater of OEL which some of you are to say he’s worse than replacement ahler. 
 

his goals against is actually way higher than his xga because our goalies can’t stop a beach ball the first 3 quarters of the season. Their sv% was in the .850 range when he was on the ice which is not even ahl level. 

Dude check your math.

 

With OEL like you proposes

7M (OEL) + 7M (new top 4) = 14M

 

Buyout OEL

5M (dead cap) + 7M + 2M (3rd pair) =14M

 

And these estimates for players are on the high end. 

 

It is literally the same cap hit for years 3-4. The crux of your argument is mute. 

 

Once again the debates falls on how many years of 2M dead cap you want after OEL contract expiration and tour arguments isn't based on that. 

[grandmaster]

Drance on 650 now saying that this buyout was necessary and the Canucks best move on dealing with the OEL contract.

 

I’m not a fan of Drance but this is one point I agree with him on.

 

Canucks did the best move they could on a list of bad options.

[DownUndaCanuck]

7 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

I can’t see how Graves wouldn’t be our top target, and wouldn’t mind seeing a similar trade with NJD as the Severson deal.

That team has 26M in cap space. They obviously have to re-sign half of their forwards (mainly depth guys), but will have Bahl and Nemec and Hughes probably pinching minutes on the blue-line all quite cheaply. 

 

Do we dare try and trade them Beauvillier or Garland for Graves? Absolute cheek move if they want some depth scoring. We basically call it a wash cap-wise, they get the opportunity to let someone walk for a free young depth winger, both of whom are pretty good in the playoffs.

[DeNiro]

1 minute ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

That team has 26M in cap space. They obviously have to re-sign half of their forwards (mainly depth guys), but will have Bahl and Nemec and Hughes probably pinching minutes on the blue-line all quite cheaply. 

 

Do we dare try and trade them Beauvillier or Garland for Graves? Absolute cheek move if they want some depth scoring. We basically call it a wash cap-wise, they get the opportunity to let someone walk for a free young depth winger, both of whom are pretty good in the playoffs.

Graves is a UFA in less than two weeks.

 

Wouldn’t need to trade anything other than a mid round pick for his rights.