canuckels Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, EdgarM said: I already told you they were overpaid as was Bo, unless you think Bo is worth 8.5. You are comparing only to the players on 1 team. You are right, if I am only looking at the guys on my team, yeah he was being underpaid. His real worth? or his teammates real worth? If I am a GM in the NHL looking at players available in that salary brackett? I am not looking at anyone in a Leaf uniform. I am a bit leary of paying Petey any amount he wants either as we have not seen how he deals with the rigors of a long playoff run. Who knows, he may be a Matthews, Marner or JT too, when it comes to being a playoff performer or not. I am not weary of paying anything else than what petey wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 33 minutes ago, canuckels said: I am not weary of paying anything else than what petey wants. Thanks Petey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 45 minutes ago, EdgarM said: I already told you they were overpaid as was Bo, unless you think Bo is worth 8.5. You are comparing only to the players on 1 team. You are right, if I am only looking at the guys on my team, yeah he was being underpaid. His real worth? or his teammates real worth? If I am a GM in the NHL looking at players available in that salary brackett? I am not looking at anyone in a Leaf uniform. I am a bit leary of paying Petey any amount he wants either as we have not seen how he deals with the rigors of a long playoff run. Who knows, he may be a Matthews, Marner or JT too, when it comes to being a playoff performer or not. Ok again, teammates are a reasonable comparison. So again why would NYLANDER ask for significantly less than players he is performing on par with? I don't give a shit what you think they're worth. If you're Nylander why would you ask for that much less? This isn't hard man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 hour ago, EdgarM said: I already told you they were overpaid as was Bo, unless you think Bo is worth 8.5. You are comparing only to the players on 1 team. You are right, if I am only looking at the guys on my team, yeah he was being underpaid. His real worth? or his teammates real worth? If I am a GM in the NHL looking at players available in that salary brackett? I am not looking at anyone in a Leaf uniform. I am a bit leary of paying Petey any amount he wants either as we have not seen how he deals with the rigors of a long playoff run. Who knows, he may be a Matthews, Marner or JT too, when it comes to being a playoff performer or not. Petey 2019-2020 playoffs - 18 pts in 17 gp. No need to be leery of paying Petey market value. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Ok again, teammates are a reasonable comparison. So again why would NYLANDER ask for significantly less than players he is performing on par with? I don't give a shit what you think they're worth. If you're Nylander why would you ask for that much less? This isn't hard man. Wow your thick man! Why would you only compare with your teammates especially when they are all over paid? Does the rest of the NHL not matter? or it doesn't fit your narrative? Give it up, I keep thinking about that old saying by Si Robertson. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 TO should just swallow it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Pay it, Leafs. He's awesome. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 4 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Ok again, teammates are a reasonable comparison. So again why would NYLANDER ask for significantly less than players he is performing on par with? I don't give a shit what you think they're worth. If you're Nylander why would you ask for that much less? This isn't hard man. He'd consider it if he cared about winning, which he has proven that he doesn't. Marner and Matthews at least don't refuse to backcheck even with their fear of physical contact. Nylander's agent needs to sit him down and tell him that he needs to start playing like a man and stop floating if he wants to get another inflated contract now that Toronto has an actual GM. No more free rides with Dubas gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 6 hours ago, EdgarM said: Thanks Petey. You’re welcome… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 5 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Ok again, teammates are a reasonable comparison. So again why would NYLANDER ask for significantly less than players he is performing on par with? I don't give a shit what you think they're worth. If you're Nylander why would you ask for that much less? This isn't hard man. Career PPG: Matthews - 1.13 Marner - 1.09 Nylander - 0.83 Matthews has also won the Hart trophy and Marner finished 3rd in the Selke voting last year. Matthews and Marner both had Hart trophy votes this year as well. Nylander didn’t get a vote for any trophy. So not sure how you are arriving at the conclusion that Nylander is performing on par with his teammates. Kaprizov and Rantanen are both 100+ point wingers and neither one makes $10 million. So Nylander isn’t worth anything close to $10 million. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Career PPG: Matthews - 1.13 Marner - 1.09 Nylander - 0.83 Matthews has also won the Hart trophy and Marner finished 3rd in the Selke voting last year. Matthews and Marner both had Hart trophy votes this year as well. Nylander didn’t get a vote for any trophy. So not sure how you are arriving at the conclusion that Nylander is performing on par with his teammates. Kaprizov and Rantanen are both 100+ point wingers and neither one makes $10 million. So Nylander isn’t worth anything close to $10 million. Career =/= currently which is what contracts are based off of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 I feel like Toronto has been trying to trade Nylander ever since they picked up Bertuzzi and Domi, but can’t find a good deal among the 10 teams they’d have to work with. They’re in for some cap trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 8 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Career =/= currently which is what contracts are based off of. 2022-2023 season: Marner - 1.24 PPG Matthews - 1.15 PPG Nylander - 1.06 PPG Even based just on last year he is still not on par with his teammates. Plus Marner finished 3rd in the Selke voting plus also had Hart votes. Matthews also had Hart votes this year. Nylander isn’t a $10 million player, not even against his own teammates. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: 2022-2023 season: Marner - 1.24 PPG Matthews - 1.15 PPG Nylander - 1.06 PPG Even based just on last year he is still not on par with his teammates. Plus Marner finished 3rd in the Selke voting plus also had Hart votes. Matthews also had Hart votes this year. Nylander isn’t a $10 million player, not even against his own teammates. He's near as makes no difference save for Marner, and was only 1 point behind Matthews in the post season. Interesting you left Tavares out as that obviously damages your stance by quite a bit at 1.00PPG for 11Mill. And Again what you and Edgar fail to see is the PLAYER'S ASK, not what you think he is worth. And playoff performance in this case bolsters his ask with Marner again being the standout Marner - 1.27PPG JT -0.72PPG Matthews - 1.00PPG Nylander - .90 10 Mill isn't a ludicrous ask, whether he gets it or not is another story. He's also entering his prime years too so there is still room for growth for up to 3-4 years with him too. Why you and especially Edgar are struggling with the difference between the player's ask vs YOUR value of him is a bit baffling to be honest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 14 hours ago, King Heffy said: He'd consider it if he cared about winning, which he has proven that he doesn't. Marner and Matthews at least don't refuse to backcheck even with their fear of physical contact. Nylander's agent needs to sit him down and tell him that he needs to start playing like a man and stop floating if he wants to get another inflated contract now that Toronto has an actual GM. No more free rides with Dubas gone. The actual GM that signed more forwards they don't need and another defensively inept dman all while going nearly $10 Million over cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 15 hours ago, EdgarM said: Wow your thick man! Why would you only compare with your teammates especially when they are all over paid? Does the rest of the NHL not matter? or it doesn't fit your narrative? Give it up, I keep thinking about that old saying by Si Robertson. When all else fails go for insults? You failed to answer and tip toed around simple question asked more than once, and you have the nerve to call someone thick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: The actual GM that signed more forwards they don't need and another defensively inept dman all while going nearly $10 Million over cap? It wasn't smart, but at least he is qualified to work in hockey ops and is willing to trade guys with unreasonable contract demands unlike the idiot he replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, King Heffy said: It wasn't smart, but at least he is qualified to work in hockey ops and is willing to trade guys with unreasonable contract demands unlike the idiot he replaced. How does that make any sense when he doubled down with worse moves? Edited July 6, 2023 by canuck73_3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: How doe that make any sense when he doubled down with worse moves? Only the Klingberg salary was bad. Bertuzzi is a good value. Dubas had a history of bending over for every major contract extension, including Nylander's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: He's near as makes no difference save for Marner, and was only 1 point behind Matthews in the post season. Interesting you left Tavares out as that obviously damages your stance by quite a bit at 1.00PPG for 11Mill. And Again what you and Edgar fail to see is the PLAYER'S ASK, not what you think he is worth. And playoff performance in this case bolsters his ask with Marner again being the standout Marner - 1.27PPG JT -0.72PPG Matthews - 1.00PPG Nylander - .90 10 Mill isn't a ludicrous ask, whether he gets it or not is another story. He's also entering his prime years too so there is still room for growth for up to 3-4 years with him too. Why you and especially Edgar are struggling with the difference between the player's ask vs YOUR value of him is a bit baffling to be honest. Considering the Matthews renewal is rumoured to be 5X$14M, $10M doesn't sound so bad. There isn't a winger in the game would pay $10M too. It makes building the team at the important positions too hard. Pay this guy more than Kaprizov, please. Edited July 6, 2023 by DrJockitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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