Ossi Vaananen Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 We can make between $10 and $25 mill, or higher, on a Stanley cup run. No way we're trading Edler at the deadline to retain an asset that gives us less chance at that run. It's not what contenders (especially those without money troubles) do... Only a chance if we get a young Iginla (lookalike) for him; who potentially will lead the franchise for a decade. And in the vastly more likely event we keep him; if he does not sign that same potential salary is just as available (by clearing Ballard, or Lou or?) on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Sure; we could give up another year of our play off window to retain an asset? Even if we win a cup and loose Edler; we dont really loose an asset. We still have the same capacity as always to spend his potential $'s. Getzlaf, Perry... And the cost will remain the same; manage (jettison) salaries like Lou's, Raymond, Higgins, Ballard, Malhotra while mixing in higher end young players like Kassian, Jensen, Gaunce, Schroeder... regardless of whether it retains us Edler or Perry. But at the deadline I do not believe we will return the same ability to win the cup, which you can never get back. I respect immensely the opinion that we should score specific assets rather than role any dice on loosing an Edler. But a young Kassian did not win us a cup last year, will not this year either, nor the type of asset we would receive for Edler. At some point we have to go for the win! My only point was to trade him when his value is highest. MG did this last year with the Hodgson trade, trading him to a team just outside the playoff picture lacking depth at centre. Hodgson is a different matter, and I don't want to derail this thread. At the trade deadline, a 26 y/o 50 point D-man in Edler could command a substantial return from a team looking at a playoff run. As I said, we only pull the trigger on such a deal if Edler has no desire to stay. If we were to keep Edler right up until the potential free agency of June 15th we risk only getting a 4th for him (Erhoff trade). I'd rather deal him before a playoff run and risk not having defensive depth, than lose him for virtually nothing via free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieCrumbs Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 If Edler leaves......... I'll hate him. Liked him when nobody else did and that'll just be another Canuck jersey that I have to leave hanging in my closet collecting dust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Ohlund also signed an RFA agreement when he was young and the Canucks had to make a decision to match. He got a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus on the offer from the Leaf's before he had ever played a game for us. Ohlund has always used the tools at his disposal to max out his contracts. Its not fair to say that he took a discount. In 2005, we also signed him to a $14 million dollar deal; a fair pay IMO for a solid but not dominating player. That was on par with Willie Mitchell, who was signed the next year for the same $3.5 mill per year for example. And they are not far apart in the caliber of value. My point is that he has never been poorly paid through his career. And then Tampa offered him $25 mill, which was too high. I am sure they currently would buy him out before Lecavalier and quite seriously regret the move. A massive contract to a guy with chronic knee problems would have handcuffed us for years. I also could not justify the contract just offered Salo. He did play very well the year before for a $2 mill salary, but also got that salary after missing 80% of the year prior to that drawing salary ($3.5 mill I believe) injured in a non hockey related injury. And as much as he played well for $2 mill; he also faded substantially from his 13 point in 13 game start; scoring 12 points in the next 54 games. His age and injury history makes it smarter to say congratulations, but let Sammy go rather than pay $7 mill over 2 years. Garrison's cap hit will be lower than the combination of Rome and Salo's 2012/2013 UFA contracts and he effectively replaces them. I am happy with that swap. Tampa needed experience and had cap space; but overpaid to lure guys who probably would have otherwise signed contracts at values which helped our team. It's kinda odd that TG mentioned that the Canucks tried to keep Ohlund and Salo, whereas in reality they didn't really try. Both Ohlund and Salo were due for a "retroactive raise" for taking paycuts for the sake of the team in the past. MG never really sent a legit offer, thus they're both now with TB. He's not as effective as he used to be, but seeing how Ohlund played against Boston during the playoffs.... he might have been the missing piece for the Canucks in the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 We don't know for sure, but as far as I know that has not been proposed. That's what the "make whole" proposal was about. Even if there is a reduction in salary, it would almost certainly not be an across the board rollback like last lockout as there's no need for it, meaning players' overall cap hit will not be lowered. Instead, players would just be out money (if there's no "make whole") until such time as their new lowered share returns to last season's amount, which by NHL projections would be by the 2014/15 season (assuming a shortened 2012/13 season. Not sure how losing an entire season would effect their projections.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 Edler will re sign for $3.25??? Wasn't it you who had a blog about economic facts of a new CBA? Some rationale should sink in he can and will get more than $3.25... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobble Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Canucks lose Edler, they are in some deep trouble on the backend. There really are a lot of Canucks fans who do not fully understand how terrific their team is. I sat through 41 Jets home games last season (ok, not the home opener or Leafs Dec 31st, sold them), and although the atmosphere was terrific, the team had such pathetic chemistry; at least compared to that of the Canucks. Watching the Canucks work together is honestly a treat that Vancouver fans certainly can take for granted from time to time. Even my wife, who knows little about hockey, has mentioned the difference between how together the Canucks system is compared to other teams. Edler could easily get $6 million on the open market. If he's healthy, the Canucks would be absolutely brain dead to let him walk. As a Jets fan, we don't have room for another top 4 d-man as they are all young and developing together. However, if Edler became available, they would be foolish not to try and sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam13371337 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 if bettman gets his way, then the canucks will be the only team able to offer him a 7 year contract... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John.Tallhouse Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Words can't describe how pissed I would be if we lost Edler due to the lockout... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Ohlund also signed an RFA agreement when he was young and the Canucks had to make a decision to match. He got a $7.5 million dollar signing bonus on the offer from the Leaf's before he had ever played a game for us. Ohlund has always used the tools at his disposal to max out his contracts. Its not fair to say that he took a discount. In 2005, we also signed him to a $14 million dollar deal; a fair pay IMO for a solid but not dominating player. That was on par with Willie Mitchell, who was signed the next year for the same $3.5 mill per year for example. And they are not far apart in the caliber of value. My point is that he has never been poorly paid through his career. And then Tampa offered him $25 mill, which was too high. I am sure they currently would buy him out before Lecavalier and quite seriously regret the move. A massive contract to a guy with chronic knee problems would have handcuffed us for years. I also could not justify the contract just offered Salo. He did play very well the year before for a $2 mill salary, but also got that salary after missing 80% of the year prior to that drawing salary ($3.5 mill I believe) injured in a non hockey related injury. And as much as he played well for $2 mill; he also faded substantially from his 13 point in 13 game start; scoring 12 points in the next 54 games. His age and injury history makes it smarter to say congratulations, but let Sammy go rather than pay $7 mill over 2 years. Garrison's cap hit will be lower than the combination of Rome and Salo's 2012/2013 UFA contracts and he effectively replaces them. I am happy with that swap. Tampa needed experience and had cap space; but overpaid to lure guys who probably would have otherwise signed contracts at values which helped our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dank.sinatra Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Gillis wouldn't let that happen even if other players have to be sacrificed. This is just an article by a bored hockey writer desperately searching for something to write about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Edler owes us after his Conn Smythe performance...for LA... Should sign at minimum wage to make up for the cluster***** that was his play in that series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 curtisandrews @curtisandrews @botchford more i look at it, more it seems like real possiblityole Edler may not be around for a while. you believe it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Lets just blow it up and trade everything. Game over duuude, game ovaaaaaaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Ohlund made $600,000 less than Daniel Sedin last year. Sorry; not worth it even if healthy! And Ohlund had wonky knee's before he left us for a $25 mill contract. Your letting emotions get in the way of good decision making . Plus, if he was really a top 10 NHL defender he would have been a 4 or 6 time all star > 12 or 14 guys get invited every year. Was he an all star more than once? And somberly from the Bolts web site; Mattias Ohlund continues rehabilitation on his surgically-repaired knee but is not even close to returning to the ice. The veteran defenseman had major knee surgery 10 months ago and at the age of 35 his NHL career is in doubt. We wish Ohlund the best of luck in his recovery. There is no guarantee we will ever see him in an NHL uniform again, however. Ohlund was easily a top-10 defender in the NHL during his prime. He could have easily signed for 5-6+ million had he hit free agency. He was equally as good as Jovanovski and Jovo took the major payday whereas Ohlund stayed with the Canucks. Not saying Mattias didn't earn good money, but everyone knows he could have earned way more. Even though Willie Mitchell signed for $3.5 million, it's because he took a hometown discount, plus he was a one-dimensional player who played positional defense. Ohlund was pretty much a 2-way defenseman who actually plays very physical. While he did sign the RFA offersheet, the Canucks management at the time was a joke. He was about to re-enter the draft because the Canucks still didn't offer him a contract after 4 year drafting him. Signing the contract with the Leafs just gave the Canucks a swift kick to the bum which they deserved. It wasn't too long ago when Kesler signed a offersheet when he has proven probably even less than Ohlund. Even the $26.25 million contract signed by Ohlund, the cap hit is still only 3.75 per year. Bit pricey, but he is versatile. A defenseman who can play the 5/6th spot and can easily be a top-4 at any time. Much more reliable choice than having Aaron Rome, Andrew Alberts, Shane O'Brien, etc. He's also Edler's safety blanket apparently. Knowing how the Canucks have been "easy" to play against physically, Ohlund would have certainly helped. With Salo, similar situation as Ohlund. His only issues are injuries (some actually beyond his control like the puck to the face and Brad Marchand). With limited ice-time and as a PP specialist, he can easily be worth whatever TB is paying him. Although Edler also have strong slapshot, if you're down by 1 with 10 seconds left in the game, I'd rather see Sami with the one-timer than Alex Edler. Once again, he's also Edler's safety blanket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc44 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Words can't describe how pissed I would be if we lost Edler due to the lockout... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Garrison's contract seems very appealing right about now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Wasn't everyone freaking out when we didn't sign the Sedin's and they were UFA's for a few days, then Gillis signed them to a deal? There's a reason we have Gilman as capologist. What it might mean is we will have to dump Luongo, Ballard and Alberts and get 3 7th round draft picks out of all three, provided we can find a team willing to take the salaries on. That's $10.4 million in cap room that would clear up. Sadly, that might also mean that a player like Booth might have to be expendable to save us an additional $4.250 million as well. (Dallas has a boatload of cap room as does Anaheim, Phoenix, and yes Florida. Toronto has $9 million in cap space not sure they can make Luongo fit even if he wanted to go there.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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