elvis15 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Obviously we have different timelines on Edmonton. I see them making the Chicago jump from 65pts in '05/'06 (Toews draft), 71pts in '06/'07 (Kane draft), to 88pts and barely missing the playoffs in '07/'08. I think this year's Oilers, if they can't capitalize on the shortened season, are where the '07/'08 Blackhawks were. They're missing a Keith Seabrook for sure (might Klefbom be that guy?) and they're missing a David Bolland, but they have their Duncan Keith in Justin Schultz, their Toews in RNH, their Kane in Eberle and I haven't even mentioned Hall and Yakupov. Edmonton is a lot further along than most are projecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Add a dynamic player like Nail to the Canucks and it changes a lot of things for the next 3 years. If EDM offered Nail for Lu I'd pay for Lu's ticket to EDM on top of driving him to the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Obviously we have different timelines on Edmonton. I see them making the Chicago jump from 65pts in '05/'06 (Toews draft), 71pts in '06/'07 (Kane draft), to 88pts and barely missing the playoffs in '07/'08. I think this year's Oilers, if they can't capitalize on the shortened season, are where the '07/'08 Blackhawks were. They're missing a Keith Seabrook for sure (might Klefbom be that guy?) and they're missing a David Bolland, but they have their Duncan Keith in Justin Schultz, their Toews in RNH, their Kane in Eberle and I haven't even mentioned Hall and Yakupov. Edmonton is a lot further along than most are projecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 TOR Luongo Ballard Raymond Hansen 1st VAN Phaneuf Kessel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I totally agree with this. I also expect Justin Schultz to step in and have an immediate impact. It would not surprise me in the least to see Edmonton win the division, and/or just make the playoffs. In addition to talent, they've also got both momentum (winning 1st overall, signing Schultz) and have actually been playing meaningful games this whole time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Good players on their squad for sure, just not a team as yet, at least not one good enough to compete with other NHL teams. Doesn't mean they won't get there, but it does mean I don't want to help them with a direct trade within our division. Not sure a three way deal has happened before like what it would take to move Luongo and associated assets, but that's the only option I see at this point. Just as an example: Van moves Luongo Edm moves Klefbom Tor moves Kadri Van gets Klefbom Edm gets Kadri Tor gets Luongo Doubt it works with anything more than a piece or two from each since the deal gets much too complex to figure out value otherwise. Not saying this is good value, just an example of a piece each to keep it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-52 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Have no idea how credible this source is. Jennifer Benson @wordonbaystreet Done Deal! #Luongo & Cap Flex to #Leafs. Frattin, Bozak & 2nd Rounder to #Canucks. Expect Announcement Thursday (Following Signed CBA) #NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I think they may have momentum going into the season and i too think schultz will make an immediate impact offensively but i still feel like they will have trouble keeping the puck out of their net. Dubnyk is the key to their season. He is going to have a quick like year for them to have success imo. I see them missing the playoffs due to their back end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 First of all I thought Francis' report meant Lou to Edmonton but the bolded is exactly my point. That deal now addresses only Toronto's current roster needs, it leaves Edmonton even weaker on the back end (which everyone knows is their weakness) and gives them something they already have in Sam Gagner, and it gives Vancouver yet another left side Dman. Three way deals typically have multple pieces for the very reason of evening out value. If your prospect pool doesn't have one of the pieces you need to land the targeted NHL, you have to fish it out of another organization. So far bluechip prospect (Kadri), impact roster player aka top-9 FWD (Bozak) & a 1st has been mentioned by various media types as the Gillis asking price. If Burke is unwilling to part with a 1st, perhaps Gillis has said he'd accept a former 1st rounder like MPS from Edmonton. It is now up to Burke to flip one of his plethora of Dmen for MPS but does he have what it takes or does he now have to add a pick so that his package ultimately costs him Bozak, Kadri, young Dman and a pick? Now Gillis has to add something to even it out. Three way deals can get big in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 And that's why they're usually simple. Think the Kyle Quincy deal from last year, which was essentially a 3-way deal the way it played out. Quincy to Detroit Downey to Colorado Piche and a 1st to Tampa Minimal pieces, and when two teams (Colorado and Detroit) couldn't agree directly, they involved Tampa to get back what they wanted/needed. Francis might have meant directly to Edmonton, but that's not very likely to be a big deal between teams in the same division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 That three-way deal had zero perennial All-Stars involved. Value determination was simple, unlike when All-Star players are involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 How are they showing their cards? I recall you repeatedly bashing the Vancouver media, calling them "not credible", etc. Toronto media is somehow of such greater quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 You were actually being serious with the Nail Yakupov suggestion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 And my opinion is it would get harder to determine value the bigger the pieces you add, so you'd have to try and keep it simple. Hockey deals are easy when your trading lower level guys, since extras and bias don't factor in as much ("he was a top draft choice", "he's been an elite goalie for years", "he's really valuable to our team"). I could be wrong, but that's my take on it, and it's why you don't see three way deals for significant players like this, unless someone wants to come up with some examples to prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Frattin, Bozak and a 2nd, hey? Close .... change the pick to a 1st and I'd be satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Change the pick to a 1st, and Frattin to Kadri, and I would be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirt Nasty Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I would not be happy if that was the deal, Frattin has only 57 nhl games under his belt at 25 years old, Bozak is a UFA afrer this year and a 2nd round pick, just a terrible deal if it was true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 That rumor is starting to spread around Leaf land. Man I'll laugh so hard if he ends up going to the Panthers after all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 WOAH WOAH WOAH! I think i just pee'd myself. Bozak, Frattin + 2nd rounder??!? Dafuq? She's a columnist for the Toronto Sun, apparently dating Matt Moulson. It's not inconceivable that she could have an inside source. I'm not a fan of this deal if it is true. I wonder what the cap flex trade was? I hope we aren't retaining any cap hit on top of taking Burke's leftovers (except for Bozak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 WOAH WOAH WOAH! I think i just pee'd myself. Bozak, Frattin + 2nd rounder??!? Dafuq? She's a columnist for the Toronto Sun, apparently dating Matt Moulson. It's not inconceivable that she could have an inside source. I'm not a fan of this deal if it is true. I wonder what the cap flex trade was? I hope we aren't retaining any cap hit on top of taking Burke's leftovers (except for Bozak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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