Bodee, on 30 January 2013 - 05:26 AM, said:
If this were soccer I would agree that AV should carry the can but the Canuck line up is devised primarily by a tandem........more if you include assistants and scouts..........but in the main the team is supplied by MG and coached by AV
Well how has MG helped AV recently? (since the SC)
He has traded Hodgson (and let's not forget Sultzer, someone who never got a real chance) for Kassian and someone (Gragnani) AV/MG threw away after spending the "pre playoff games" messing up the defence trying him out.
I think you need to adjust your scope because your focusing on the wrong person....and you admitted to it in your first example for "Well how has MG helped AV recently?"
In the first sentence to the above answer you said,
"He has traded Hodgson (and let's not forget Sultzer, someone who never got a real chance) for Kassian and someone (Gragnani) AV/MG threw away after spending the "pre playoff games" messing up the defence trying him out."
How is this MG's fault? His job is to gather the right pieces for now and the future....it's the coaches job to put those pieces together for the best results. He can't order AV to play anyone and he can't tell him what lines to make. MG is not the issue.
I think MG has been excellent and a HUGE reason why we have been so successful, simultaneously proving that CDC is truly delusional! Do you not remember the years...DECADES that we had to go through mediocrity and cheer for a team that was always swimming in the lower half of the barrel? There were highlights, but nothing that we could savor for extended periods.
With MG arriving and finally the Canucks having winning season after winning season....we think the GM is doing a bad job? If memory serves correct, the way our teams future looked pre-MG... No one on CDC would have imagined that we would win the President's Cup twice and been to the Finals.....or be in Playoffs every year within such a short span of time.
MG comes in and changed things immediately:
- making the Canucks a destination choice for FA
- he set precedence with innovations that other GM's have noticed and now utilize on their own teams (locker room changes, specialists, etc).
Signing / Re-sign - He's re-signed all the essential players we have on this team for a discount, sure you can bring up Lou...but, you might be overlooking the 'butterfly effect' with re-signing him. Lou is one of the biggest reasons why we have been considered an elite team....without him, we would have been mediocre and probably wouldn't have picked up players like Tanev & Sweatt or signed RFA's. Remember when the Canucks were never mentioned as a team that RFA's wanted to play for? We had to overpay to get any...
Let's not forget the goalie situation we would have had to go through to find a true #1, look at Toronto if you want to see a glimpse of what could have been. Another possible result might have been playing Schneids too early in his career and the Canucks destroying his confidence.... playing alongside Lou has been a benefit for Schneids in so many ways. Schneids wouldn't be the player he is today if he didn't have the opportunity to hone his skills behind Lou, watch and learn how a professional handles a crazy fanbase and have a mentor to tutor him throughout his early career.
Sure, he might have signed him for too long...but if that's what it took to keep him here, than it was worth it. Anyways, the pros of re-signing Sedins, Kes, Burr, Bieksa, Edler and Schneids on their discounted contracts far outweigh the length of Lou's (The amount and cap is pretty good). Any argument regarding MG and bad signings should be mute.
Trades / Picks - He's made some bad trades or picks, but his good ones far outweigh those too....I can't wait to see Gaunce, Jensen, Mallet, Corrado, Lack, etc. Look at Edmonton if you want an example of a bad GM....what boggles my mind is the absence of depth in their farm? Sure, they had picked some superstar players, but that's what happens when you are the bottom feeders for 4 years straight...however, what happened with the picks that weren't #1? Our first pick is so close to their second, our second pick to their third, etc.... and their other prospects aren't producing much or grabbing anyone's attention like some of ours have... from our positioning during the Draft Picks, I think MG has done pretty good.
No fan is 100% satisfied with every decision their team's GM makes so we have to base our judgements on his history, results and future that the GM has developed or is developing.
Hodgson / Kass -
It's been pointed out he wanted out of here. Shocked when it was first announced, I like this trade and it shows that MG knows better than any of us. You mentioned that you wanted something "hot" for the pending campaign...I'm sure he did too, but I prefer to trade a young top 6 rookie for another top 6 rookie that will fill our needs, now and later. For us to get that 'hot' player...it might not have been an option and the odds are it wouldn't be a young guy, he wouldn't fit our needs or any other multiple reasons....AND, the other team might not want the trade or want too much. I luv Coho, but I LOVE Kassquatch!
Salo / Garrison -
Sure, we all loved him and he was getting old. He should have signed for 1 year...I'd rather have Garrison anyways. The situation right now with Garrison is nothing new, look at Suter with the Wild this year; often being beaten to the net, losing battles in front and defensive lapses AND a -5 (I think Garrison is even or +). If a slow start can happen to such an experienced Dman like Suter on a new team....let's expect it will happen to others too.
Sammy / Booth -
An aging Sammy for Booth is a good deal. Sure, Booth wasn't playing up to par since his concussion, but early on...it looked like the trade paid off. It's not MG's fault for not being able to predict the knee-on-knee hit... if not for this hit, he looked to be having a statement year.
You have to see a trend here. Our team is younger, better, tougher and our future prospects are looking good too....what more could you ask from a GM? Now...it's just a matter of putting the right pieces together and motivating them, not MG's job.
And let's not forget that there's more to come from MG in the near future....
He still has two #1 goalies and when he trades Lou, we can expect a combination between prospects, picks and a roster player. Makes our future look better...
Oh....the Ballard trade is good too, in my books. He just hasn't been given a fair shake (not MG's fault) and he's been playing great recently and increasing his value....Ballard makes our D much better now and there is a desperate need for Dmen in the league, I expect MG will get something good in return (since we can't afford his cap next year).
While I'm at it.... look at Mayray, most GM's would have given up on the guy and all of BC was demanding a trade (including myself). Had MG not taken a chance, we would have lost him for nothing.... this year, Mayray and MG is proving us all wrong and Mayray is increasing his value. Not every risk will pan out like expected, but that's why we call them risks....his positives far outweigh his negatives here too.
Edited by nuck luck, 30 January 2013 - 10:58 AM.