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#1 Sixteen W's

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:38 AM

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Jannik Hansen, drafted 287th overall in the 9th round by the Canucks has 15 points in his last 18 games. That's tied for the team lead with Henrik and more anyone else, including the other Sedin. He also kills penalties, takes almost none (6PIM), plays on the powerplay, and has 2 game winning goals. He's also missed no games in the last 3 years (minus a 1 game suspension).

His cap hit is 1.35 this year, and 1.1 the following year. The team may have some long contracts and overpaid players, but they've done a heck of a job with this guy.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:48 AM

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:52 AM

Honey Badger.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:52 AM

Ok, so that was clearly worth a new thread versus posting it in another thread about how we can't draft late round talent. If you can't think of more than one player as an example (and there are more), you should probably hold off on posting until you have something a little more substantial, and then you can go post it somewhere where someone is saying our drafting sucks.

Having said that, Honey Badger don't give a ...

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:55 AM

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We can't even draft early round talent.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:03 AM

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We can't even draft early round talent.

Hodgson, Schroeder, Schnieder, Sedins, Grabner, Kesler, Raymond, and Edler (depends on if you consider 3rd round early or not I suppose) all disagree with you.... Also you have to take into account where the Canucks finish.. pretty consistently 20th+ selection position, not exactly a slam dunk of NHL superstars left there.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:21 AM

Steal contract by Gillis, he could have easily got at least 2.5 on the market.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:26 AM

That's one player out of how many?
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:28 AM

Jannik Hansen, drafted 287th overall in the 9th round by the Canucks has 15 points in his last 18 games. That's tied for the team lead with Henrik and more anyone else, including the other Sedin. He also kills penalties, takes almost none (6PIM), plays on the powerplay, and has 2 game winning goals. He's also missed no games in the last 3 years (minus a 1 game suspension).

His cap hit is 1.35 this year, and 1.1 the following year. The team may have some long contracts and overpaid players, but they've done a heck of a job with this guy.


I don't think many people complain about the Canucks' ability to draft late round talent or develop undrafted players, just look at the roster:

Bieksa (5th round)
Edler (3rd round)
Hansen (9th round)
Burrows (undrafted)
Tanev (undrafted)

The problem in my opinion is that (a) regular season success means late first round draft picks ( B) many second round picks have been traded away © poor drafting decisions. Not many teams get lucky in the late rounds. Detroit is the only team that really consistently finds these gems.
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OMG we could've had McKeown!

I think Virtanen was a terrible pick given that he's out for 6 months which will hinder his development. You don't pick someone at #6 under that circumstance, along with the fact that he was given a 3/5 IQ (aka he's dumb). 

God dammit Benning. WHY VIRTANEN? Terrible move.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:29 AM

I dont know, who says we can't draft late round talent?
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Posted Yesterday, 09:07 AM

It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:30 AM

I know that the circumstances made this happen, but the only Canuck player in the HHOF was drafted in the 6th round. Just thought I'd bring this up with him being in town :)
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 10:37 AM

Ok, so that was clearly worth a new thread versus posting it in another thread about how we can't draft late round talent. If you can't think of more than one player as an example (and there are more), you should probably hold off on posting until you have something a little more substantial, and then you can go post it somewhere where someone is saying our drafting sucks.

Having said that, Honey Badger don't give a ...


Exactly, and neither should you . :lol:
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:14 AM

Canucks have the most trouble in the second round, between poor drafting and trading away picks.

Outside of Patrick White and Nathan Smith our first round picks have been pretty decent, the rest are NHL talent albeit we have had some unfortunate circumstances.

In the last 20 years the only 2nd round picks that have made the NHL are Mason Raymond and Artem Chubarov and neither one are or were exactly top talent. Over that stretch we should have seen about 5 second round players contribute, and that is with trading away a few picks.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:15 AM

wow lol

none of these players are gillis drafts


so far every player gillis has drafted has been a bust or still not ready at all

were as other teams have there draft picks chipping in CANUCKS DONT
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

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wow lol

none of these players are gillis drafts


so far every player gillis has drafted has been a bust or still not ready at all

were as other teams have there draft picks chipping in CANUCKS DONT


Gillis has only been the GM of this team for five NHL drafts in which he has had four first round picks:

Cody Hodgson
Jordan Schroeder
Niklas Jensen
Brendan Gaunce
Frankie Corrado

He also drafted Frank Corrado, who is arguably one of the top 4-5 Candian Junior defencemen.

I don't have many complaints about his draft history.
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OMG we could've had McKeown!

I think Virtanen was a terrible pick given that he's out for 6 months which will hinder his development. You don't pick someone at #6 under that circumstance, along with the fact that he was given a 3/5 IQ (aka he's dumb). 

God dammit Benning. WHY VIRTANEN? Terrible move.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:32 AM

I know that the circumstances made this happen, but the only Canuck player in the HHOF was drafted in the 6th round. Just thought I'd bring this up with him being in town :)


The greatest hockey player of all time wasn't drafted at all.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:36 AM

wow lol

none of these players are gillis drafts


so far every player gillis has drafted has been a bust or still not ready at all

were as other teams have there draft picks chipping in CANUCKS DONT


No capital letters to start sentences
No punctuation
No clue between the difference of "where" and "were"
No one cares what you say

Edited by nateb123, 05 April 2013 - 11:47 AM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:06 PM

No capital letters to start sentences
No punctuation
No clue between the difference of "where" and "were"
No one cares what you say


Don't forget 'there' instead of 'their'. Also, don't forget general lack of hockey knowledge. Cody Hodgson has had a very good year this year despite Buffalo's mediocre season (at best).
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OMG we could've had McKeown!

I think Virtanen was a terrible pick given that he's out for 6 months which will hinder his development. You don't pick someone at #6 under that circumstance, along with the fact that he was given a 3/5 IQ (aka he's dumb). 

God dammit Benning. WHY VIRTANEN? Terrible move.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:11 PM

The greatest hockey player of all time wasn't drafted at all.


What are you talking about? Cody Hodgson was totally drafted! :bigblush:
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:21 PM

I know that the circumstances made this happen, but the only Canuck player in the HHOF was drafted in the 6th round. Just thought I'd bring this up with him being in town :)


The only reason we got Bure in the 6th round is because nobody knew he was available. He would have been a top 5 otherwise

Edited by SynysterGates, 05 April 2013 - 12:22 PM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:22 PM

Remember the name Tommernes? 7th round selection by the Canucks.

You'll be seeing him in the next couple years.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:52 PM

Hansen is having quite the season. Top 2 or 3 players on the nucks this year and most consistent
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:18 PM

resigning Hansen might be tricky because his contract is up the same year the Sedin's is too and resigning them will be the priority. Hansen will be getting a big raise too the way he's playing he's only making 1.3 mil
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:20 PM

you said it
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:32 PM

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Ok, so that was clearly worth a new thread versus posting it in another thread about how we can't draft late round talent. If you can't think of more than one player as an example (and there are more), you should probably hold off on posting until you have something a little more substantial, and then you can go post it somewhere where someone is saying our drafting sucks.

Having said that, Honey Badger don't give a ...


Clearly the OP doesn't realize this is your site and that you make the rules.

What a buzz kill.

Do you run around at parties putting coasters under everyone's drink?

P.S. OP I liked your thread.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:38 PM

Remember the name Tommernes? 7th round selection by the Canucks.

You'll be seeing him in the next couple years.


He is a LD, if he was a RD he would be here sooner I bet, excellent powerplay quarter back, from what I hear
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:39 PM

PAYYY for Yahhnick when he's due! Pay for an alluring, exotic gorgeous masseusse to rub his aching muscles. Give this man an American house, chinese chef, italian car, french maid...Just keep giving so the badger will never have to give a hoot 'bout'nuthin..Ever again!

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:53 PM

Clearly the OP doesn't realize this is your site and that you make the rules.

What a buzz kill.

Do you run around at parties putting coasters under everyone's drink?

P.S. OP I liked your thread.

Hay guiz, we gots teh Honey Badger und hes purty gud but sumbodi sad we cant drft gud so i mad tis thrd to tel em we can.

/sarcasm

It's not like I don't like Hansen, but I'm not sure he's locked down a watertight argument against other people (in other threads) suggesting we haven't drafted very well. He mentions one player, when there have been plenty more (but also plenty of failures as well).

The point I'm making is it'd be great if we could discuss it in one of the threads where people have been talking about our drafting already: Review: HAS our drafting/development Actually Improved U...

If he wants to make a thread just to say Hansen's great, there's one for that too (a few actually):
Jannik Hansen's maturity into a legitimate scoring th...
Has Hansen become a 2nd line player?
Make Jannik Hansen Captain
Jannik Hansen


I'm not saying that Hansen's bad or our drafting hasn't produced good players, just that there are already pretty decent threads discussing what the OP is trying to say. It's not my rules (although there certainly are board rules to that effect) but my opinion that creating multiple threads on the same subject is much less useful than one thread where people can discuss a particular topic.

Edited by elvis15, 05 April 2013 - 03:53 PM.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:58 PM

Not BAD... then again:

Pavel Datsyuk - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 6 #171 overall 1998 NHL Entry Draft


Henrik Zetterberg - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 7 #210 overall 1999 NHL Entry Draft



Sergei Fedorov - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 4 #74 overall 1989 NHL Entry Draft


Tomas Holmstrom - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 10 #257 overall 1994 NHL Entry Draft


Nicklas Lidstrom - Selected by Detroit Red Wings round 3 #53 overall 1989 NHL Entry Draft


We're not quite Detroit.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:01 PM

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Hay guiz, we gots teh Honey Badger und hes purty gud but sumbodi sad we cant drft gud so i mad tis thrd to tel em we can.

/sarcasm

It's not like I don't like Hansen, but I'm not sure he's locked down a watertight argument against other people (in other threads) suggesting we haven't drafted very well. He mentions one player, when there have been plenty more (but also plenty of failures as well).

The point I'm making is it'd be great if we could discuss it in one of the threads where people have been talking about our drafting already: Review: HAS our drafting/development Actually Improved U...

If he wants to make a thread just to say Hansen's great, there's one for that too (a few actually):
Jannik Hansen's maturity into a legitimate scoring th...
Has Hansen become a 2nd line player?
Make Jannik Hansen Captain
Jannik Hansen


I'm not saying that Hansen's bad or our drafting hasn't produced good players, just that there are already pretty decent threads discussing what the OP is trying to say. It's not my rules (although there certainly are board rules to that effect) but my opinion that creating multiple threads on the same subject is much less useful than one thread where people can discuss a particular topic.



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OMG we could've had McKeown!

I think Virtanen was a terrible pick given that he's out for 6 months which will hinder his development. You don't pick someone at #6 under that circumstance, along with the fact that he was given a 3/5 IQ (aka he's dumb). 

God dammit Benning. WHY VIRTANEN? Terrible move.

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