Pears Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Shoulda taken the Edmonton deal of 7th overall, 2nd round pick, Paajarvi Edmonton ended up moving that 2nd and Paajarvi for Perron Horvat+Perron... Schneider in our division or Horvat... Schneider in the east or take it one step further.. Boston offered Seguin for any pick in the top 10.. every team said no Seguin+Perron for Schneider Seguin and Perron for Schneider would've been filthy and arguably would be the price to trade Schneider within the division. Would've easily made us contenders last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Seguin and Perron for Schneider would've been filthy and arguably would be the price to trade Schneider within the division. Would've easily made us contenders last season. Too bad there's no truth to it. And even if there was there's no guarantee they wouldn't have liked Dallas' offer of Eriksson, Morrow, Smith, and Fraser better. It's obvious Boston wanted a top 6 player, and the Canucks didn't have one to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Google it.. you'll find ton of sources... Chiarelli was pretty open about it, like Tallon was this year about 1st overall.. Seguin for 1-5 straight up,or 6-10 plus more added Before this season, Seguin wasnt even winning the Taylor vs Tyler debate.. On top of that, he had many question marks about compete level, dedication, attitude, and other things like entry level deal expiring.. He was a good prospect, but Boston had many reasons they wanted to deal him during that off-season That's a load of crap. The rumor was calgary was offering their first overall plus more for seguin and Boston said no they wanted a roster player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icycold Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Ok so how is this not comparing apples to oranges, a better comparison would be Shinks to Nichushkin. Horvat, like Cody H are thinking, well rounded players (or supposed to be) instead of pure goal scorers. This whole thing would be comparing Steve Y to Pavel dats. on the red wings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icycold Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 It is a fair point that Horvat is still young (19) and might make a lot of progress in the next few years. However, his performance in the World Juniors was okay but less than most people were hoping for. He was expected by many to be a star at that level and had a shot to be 1C on the team. But he wound up playing a largely defensive role -- the kind of role that suggests 3C in the NHL. Same with the Memorial Cup this year. His Memorial Cup performance was disappointing. And his entire playoff was no more than okay. I agree that the Schneider for Horvat trade was driven largely by Cap considerations, but it was still a bad deal. I hope that Miller does play well enough so we not miss Schneider too much but, given his age, Miller is a big risk -- and an expensive one. If we consider a direct trade: Horvat and Miller (with a cap hit of $6 million) vs. Schneider (current cap hit of $4 million and signed long term at $6 million) I agree that it is not completely obvious, but I would go with Schneider and I bet most GMs would do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Shoulda taken the Edmonton deal of 7th overall, 2nd round pick, Paajarvi Edmonton ended up moving that 2nd and Paajarvi for Perron Horvat+Perron... Schneider in our division or Horvat... Schneider in the east or take it one step further.. Boston offered Seguin for any pick in the top 10.. every team said no Seguin+Perron for Schneider If we got the 7th, I would've taken Rasmoooooooose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Google it.. you'll find ton of sources... Chiarelli was pretty open about it, like Tallon was this year about 1st overall.. Seguin for 1-5 straight up,or 6-10 plus more added Before this season, Seguin wasnt even winning the Taylor vs Tyler debate.. On top of that, he had many question marks about compete level, dedication, attitude, and other things like entry level deal expiring.. He was a good prospect, but Boston had many reasons they wanted to deal him during that off-season Other than the big 4 of the draft why would the Bruins have considered dealing Seguin for lesser players? The Taylor vs Tyler debate is going to go on for a long time. Neither of them has proven to be a clear cut above the other. Seguin has shown that he can be a #1 center but Hall is the best LW in the league. Preference of one over the other is going to depend on what position one needs to fill. The Bruins dealt Seguin because they weren't willing to wait for Seguin to put it together when their cup window was directly tied to how long Chara can play at a high level. They got a natural winger which filled a need for them plus other assets like Smith and Morrow. Even at that time there was no reason for anyone to believe that anyone outside of Mac, Jones, Barkov, Drouin, there was anyone available who had higher potential than Seguin did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 This is not the time to determine which player will bring the most to their prospective teams. Horvat hasn't even played in the NHL and Nish has only had one year. Besides, they are very different players who do not play a comparable game. Player development is a process that can vary from one individual to another. Also, the player's role/position can effect the timeframe as well. Certainly Horvat has had a huge learning curve as a centerman who has been counted on at the most crucial times and is a team leader. I think both players will have solid NHL careers, but at this point it is impossible to determine which player will be considered 'better'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Nick has more pure nhl ready skill and is an ovi type player - horvat is more a smyl 2 way player.... One would sell tickets but horvat could be the more complete player in 3-5 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 As of right now, I don't think anyone can say Bo is better as of right now. Nichushkin has already proven, even if for only a year, he belongs in the NHL and will most likely be an impact player for a long time. Bo simply just has not, because he didn't get a year yet. In 5 years down the road, we can make a more definitive statement, but as of right now, Nichushkin is the better pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diakonos Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I've been a little disappointed with Bo's performance in the big shows, but as others have said, sometimes it takes time. We do need him to be a two-way player, not a one-way (that is, defensive) player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austy Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Valeri does look pretty great, however can we compare our team to Dallas in terms of fit for a young non-English speaking Russian? Meaning would he have been as comfortable here as he would have been in Dallas, would torts have given him any ice time or just yelled at him a lot? Having no native mentors here may have led him to go back to the khl, maybe, maybe not but I agree it van might not have been as sure of a environment conducive to keeping him him the NHL as Dallas was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Nichuskin went from 34 points in 79 games ( scoring more as the season went along) to a disappearring act in the playoffs, he did manage 2 points in 6 games ( his end of the season pace would have been 4 points in 6 games) but his on ice time went down a minute and a half reflecting his invisible play. Horvat will rule this duel within 2 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinphase Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Trading for Vey and Dorsett? Yeah right Benning wanted to do that. The new coach just wanted some familiar faces around. Anyway, it's a new group with no pressure to win right away, but things may get more interesting down the road for them in this regard. I would see the logic in Dejardins wanting familiar players he's been successful with on the team, but I can't really see Benning signing those players for just that reason. Bringing in Dorsett has been the only really questionable move I think Benning has made. But on the topic at hand, I do think Horvat was a safe choice and I'd rather have Nich who has the potential to be a franchise player like Schneider. It would have been awesome to have Nich, Jensen, Shinkaruk, Virtanen and Kassian in a future lineup. I'm concerned that Horvat could be our version of Derick Brassard, reliable but not stellar. Im curious to see what he does in the pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 what kinda pony totals you guys see valeri putting up this year ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 what kinda pony totals you guys see valeri putting up this year ? Depends if he plays with Seguin and Benn or not, and if they continue where they left off last year. 50-60 points is definitely a reasonable expectation with top line minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Nuke pushing 60p would be a pretty big kick in the nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6YPE Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Just watched the movie Draft Day the other day. Good movie. Anyways, that movie is a good example of why I think we picked Bo over Nichushkin IMO. Character and the will to win>>>everything I had no idea about Draft Day, just wanted to say thanks. I watched it last night... awesome movie!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Nuke pushing 60p would be a pretty big kick in the nuts. Not really if Bo puts up 40 in his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetliner Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 SAVE US BO!!!! I would be pissed if he doesn't make the team this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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