[Proposal] Gagner (Van) for Z. Smith (Ott)

[86Viking]

Simple proposal  

 

Sam Gagner 28yrs old- 2 years left 3.15m cap hit

 

for

 

Zack Smith 29yrs old- 3 years left 3.25m cap hit- has 10 team NTC 

 

This gives Ottawa a player with some offense, it gives the Canucks a great bottom 6 player who can do it all imo. Smith has seen a dip in his face off & this year to 47%, two previous years he was 52%.

 

Zack Smith:

 

SCOUTING REPORT

Assets:	Has an excellent frame (6-2, 209 pounds) and the versatility to play both wing and center. Displays two-way instincts and an aggressive streak. Can kill penalties and take key face-offs.
Flaws:	Is not always confident with the puck. At times, he can struggle to put up good numbers on a consistent basis in the NHL. Is not a great pugilist. Will take bad penalties sometimes.
Career Potential:	Versatile, big and physical two-way forward.

 

Smith is a year older, has an extra year cap hit of 100k more. But he brings a lot to the table, he is having a down year but has put up decent numbers before:

 

 

CAREER STATISTICS Use/Embed statistics 

SEASON	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	G	A	TP	PIM	+/-		POST	GP	G	A	TP	PIM	+/-
2004-05	Swift Current Legionnaires	SMHL	43	15	27	42	83		|
	Swift Current Broncos	WHL	14	1	1	2	0	-4	|
2005-06	Swift Current Broncos	WHL	64	2	5	7	78	-5	|	Playoffs	3	0	0	0	9	0
2006-07	Swift Current Broncos	WHL	71	16	15	31	130	-18	|	Playoffs	6	0	2	2	11	-6
2007-08	Swift Current Broncos	WHL	72	22	48	70	136	31	|	Playoffs	12	5	5	10	29	-1
	Manitoba Moose	AHL	0	0	0	0	0		|	Playoffs	6	0	1	1	0	1
2008-09	Ottawa Senators	NHL	1	0	0	0	0	0	|
	Binghamton Senators	AHL	79	24	24	48	132	-4	|
2009-10	Ottawa Senators	NHL	15	2	1	3	14	1	|	Playoffs	6	0	0	0	5	-4
	Binghamton Senators	AHL	68	14	27	41	100	-7	|
2010-11	Ottawa Senators	NHL	55	4	5	9	120	-11	|
	Binghamton Senators	AHL	22	7	5	12	32	3	|	Playoffs	23	8	12	20	36	-5
2011-12	Ottawa Senators	NHL	81	14	12	26	98	4	|	Playoffs	7	0	1	1	10	-2
2012-13	Frederikshavn White Hawks	Denmark	7	4	6	10	18		|
	Ottawa Senators	NHL	48	4	11	15	56	-9	|	Playoffs	10	1	1	2	31	-2
2013-14	Ottawa Senators	NHL	82	13	9	22	111	-9	|
2014-15	Ottawa Senators	NHL	37	2	1	3	18	-8	|	Playoffs	3	0	0	0	0	-1
	Binghamton Senators	AHL	2	1	1	2	2	1	|
2015-16	Ottawa Senators	NHL	81	25	11	36	80	16	|
2016-17	Ottawa Senators	NHL	74	16	16	32	61	6	|	Playoffs	19	1	5	6	12	-5
2017-18	Ottawa Senators	NHL	19	1	6	7	11	-13	|

[Nucker 67]

I'm not sure why VAN does this. I would think we'd get more at the TDL for Gagner? Canucks don't need more bottom 6 players, but they could use more draft picks.

[diesel_3]

Replaces your Dorsett type player while still allowing for guys like Goldobin to have more of a role.

I don't mind this, OP.

[JM_]

I think we'd have to add something to the deal but sure, why not? Ottawa depleted their prospect pool a lot over the last 2 years so we might be able to add a 'b' level prospect to get it done. Maybe Gagner and Breisbois? 

[HC20.0]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think we'd have to add something to the deal but sure, why not? Ottawa depleted their prospect pool a lot over the last 2 years so we might be able to add a 'b' level prospect to get it done. Maybe Gagner and Breisbois? 

We could throw in Dahlen? 

[86Viking]

34 minutes ago, diesel_3 said:

Replaces your Dorsett type player while still allowing for guys like Goldobin to have more of a role.

I don't mind this, OP.

That is my thinking behind it. Smith is a bottom 6 player, versatile and does play with an edge. Gagner is a bottom 6 player who is one dimensional doesnt hit, pr play pk.

 

I think Smith would be a good addition, yes another bottom 6 guy, but he plays that role well, could be a lw option for the Sutter line when players become healthy. Would be a nice addition to our PK too I would think.

 

With the Canucks taking on the additional year and a tad bit higher salary, I do not know if we would have to add anything to make this trade. But it could be expanded to swap a prospect from each team maybe?

[NuckForReal!!!]

I would much prefer going after picks

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

that modified NTC makes me hesitant, but he is exactly the kind of guy that comes up big at big times

 

But I don't think we have to honor that clause when we trade for him.

[combover]

I’d trade Gagme for ——————————-    (Insert anything)

 

An effective body check or a player able to stay on his feet after he forechecks would be a huge inprovement.but a don’t see a team in the league (including Vancouver) that needs what sir fallsalot brings which isn’t much. 

Kinda feel like we are stuck with this one (again), waivers and another vet for utica,

 

 

[higgyfan]

41 minutes ago, Yotes said:

That is my thinking behind it. Smith is a bottom 6 player, versatile and does play with an edge. Gagner is a bottom 6 player who is one dimensional doesnt hit, pr play pk.

 

I think Smith would be a good addition, yes another bottom 6 guy, but he plays that role well, could be a lw option for the Sutter line when players become healthy. Would be a nice addition to our PK too I would think.

 

With the Canucks taking on the additional year and a tad bit higher salary, I do not know if we would have to add anything to make this trade. But it could be expanded to swap a prospect from each team maybe?

I'd be on board for this trade, but I don't know about Ott. 

 

Zack would look good with Gaunce and Virt or with Sutter and Granny.  He looks like a better fit than Gagner.

 

 

[smithers joe]

why would ottawa want gagner?

[86Viking]

17 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

I'd be on board for this trade, but I don't know about Ott. 

 

Zack would look good with Gaunce and Virt or with Sutter and Granny.  He looks like a better fit than Gagner.

 

 

My thinking was when healthy he would play with Sutter and Granny, seems like a good fit. This of course would push Vanek down though unless he was dealt

[NewbieCanuckFan]

10 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

why would ottawa want gagner?

Saves them money which is of some importance to the Sens owner (have no idea how important a factor it could be).

 

"But I don't think we have to honor that clause when we trade for him."

 

I *think* the NTC become void once it gets waived & said player is dealt to that team.

[86Viking]

13 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

why would ottawa want gagner?

Gives them an offensive minded player. I think since the Turris trade they have been struggling to score. Gagner could play a role on their PP and might be more effective?

 

Basically its a change of scenery for both players and teams. We can see that Gagner is not a fit for us, if we got Smith he would definitely fill a better role on our team.

 

Imagine having Smith playing C where we currently have Dowd. Huge upgrade IMO

[86Viking]

4 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Saves them money which is of some importance to the Sens owner (have no idea how important a factor it could be).

 

"But I don't think we have to honor that clause when we trade for him."

 

I *think* the NTC become void once it gets waived & said player is dealt to that team.

I agree it does save OTT a bit of cash and 1 less year of contract.

 

As for NTC going to new team, I am not 100% sure. I know Phaneuf kept his full NTC or NMC when he went to OTT from TOR. But I believe OTT agreed to honour it. 

 

A 10 team list though is not that bad, if it was a full NTC and we had to honour then yes bit more skeptical unless they sweeten the pot!

 

I honestly believe this is a good trade for both teams and a guy we could use considering what our bottom 6 looks like now. Come on Benning call up the Sens again!

[Kurt Nirvanagut]

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 hours ago, Yotes said:

I agree it does save OTT a bit of cash and 1 less year of contract.

 

As for NTC going to new team, I am not 100% sure. I know Phaneuf kept his full NTC or NMC when he went to OTT from TOR. But I believe OTT agreed to honour it. 

 

A 10 team list though is not that bad, if it was a full NTC and we had to honour then yes bit more skeptical unless they sweeten the pot!

 

I honestly believe this is a good trade for both teams and a guy we could use considering what our bottom 6 looks like now. Come on Benning call up the Sens again!

Yeah I think you're right on that (I vaguely remember something about the acquiring team can choose to continue honoring clause or not (after the waive).

[Noble 6]

Unless Gagner requests a trade, moving him would be pretty unlikely this year. We just signed him as a UFA and it doesn't look good on Benning to move him so soon. The contract was a mistake, but we're probably going to have to wait until at least next year before we can move him.

 

Other than that, I would absolutely do this deal.

[86Viking]

Just now, Horvat is a Boss said:

Unless Gagner requests a trade, moving him would be pretty unlikely this year. We just signed him as a UFA and it doesn't look good on Benning to move him so soon. The contract was a mistake, but we're probably going to have to wait until at least next year before we can move him.

 

Other than that, I would absolutely do this deal.

I do tend to agree a bit with you but at the same time, these guys are professional athletes. We have no way of knowing how they will fit on our team until we have already committed to signing them.

 

Unfortunately we arent like the NFL where their contracts have guaranteed money then usually unrealistic top end max $ if they reach their incentives. They also can be cut or let go anytime. A great way of keeping players hungry and honest imo

[Father Ryan]

In a strictly objective view, I like this. I do think we would have to up the ante a little. But...Gaunce just does not look like he is going to pan out, Gagner is so far not working out pretty much at all, and Dowd is a very limited player. Maybe Gagner + Rathbone? He's pretty far down the list, as far as depth goes here. I seriously don't see him cracking the line up anytime soon. Or maybe rights to Zhukenov?

Realistically, I doubt it. Gagner has too much term left for what he is offering, and I also agree with @Horvat is a Boss, it would be a bad PR move too