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this deference to the Sedins is absurd and harmful - it has to stop

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I think if Benning/TG has a say, they will be gone. If they stay, then Linden is steering this ship. 

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47 minutes ago, 10pavelbure96 said:

This is hugely opinion based and not fact. Their contract is up this year, did you not expect them to play out their contract? Even though you're in a rebuild you still need to try to ice a competitive team.

 

Management and the Sedins both know their time is up.

Nowhere did I say I want them to quit. I'm saying the team's deference to them has to stop.

 

And why do you think management and the Sedins both know their time is up? This is hugely opinion-based and not fact. Linden has said it is up to them. They have not decided yet. If both knew their time was up, the signs would be clear. And again, this isn't even close to the point that I was driving at.

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48 minutes ago, RogersTowell said:

These dozens of posts on the same topic are absurd and harmful to our mental health and they have to stop!  

 

Try using the search function or even looking through the first page of two of threads to find about 10 other threads with a similar topic.

Its a good post. You don't have to waste  your precious time reading nor complaining. In fact we do not have enough new posts started anymore because of the whiners at CDC.

So try using the mind your own feature.

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I agree with @coastal.view on the Twins.  Sign them to a one year deal for (likely) 5 million each.  They are good placeholders for the prospects.  

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6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I agree with @coastal.view on the Twins.  Sign them to a one year deal for (likely) 5 million each.  They are good placeholders for the prospects.  

oh no not again

you went off your meds i fear alf

agreeing with me on anything surely is a sign if that ? :P

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I agree with @coastal.view on the Twins.  Sign them to a one year deal for (likely) 5 million each.  They are good placeholders for the prospects.  

I very much disagree with this view, but understand where you're coming from. To me, given their overall play and contribution to our team (their plus/minus is staggeringly bad given that they are basically top 5 in the league in offensive zone starts), I wouldn't want them back for more than 2 million each.

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1 hour ago, dougieL said:

Vrbata, Eriksson, Vanek. ... but these signings demonstrate the deference of the team to the Sedins.

 

This deference has cost us years of a rebuild. Benning is no idiot. There is no doubt in my mind that he knows how a rebuild should be done. Loyalty to the Sedins has prevented him from fully executing his vision. This absolutely unacceptable.

 

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Any chance we have to improve the future of this team, we need to take it. But I'm betting it won't happen. And it's sad that our fan base has to suffer just because some in the organization feel the Sedins are somehow owed something they are not.

I get your frustrations, but you are underestimating the benefit that our young guys get from playing WITH NHL professionals who have had a successful career. 

 

You need to look at it as an asset that was acquired for nothing (free agency).  

 

Here is a list of fringe NHLers who may belong in the AHL on most of the other organizations that have played for the Canucks this year: Goldobin, Gaunce, Boucher, Archibald, Dowd, Chaput, Megna.  

 

That's 7 players that would hardly get any ice time on a contending team.  

 

We need to improve our team through free agency, and we're in a desperate need of good forwards.  I will gladly take another Vanek-type next year as well.

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44 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Obviously the rest of CDC is going to crap on you for this post, but you're absolutely right. Resigning them just puts things on hold for another year (or, God forbid, two).

 

It's time to move on.

I'd usually disagree with this, however looking at it from the Sedins' point of view, I think it might be to move on as well unless we hit a homerun in free agency this summer.  

 

They've given their all, and have put up with enough crap years here over the last four years.  

 

If we're not a playoff team next year, with them filling in the third line next year, it's best to move on.

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1 minute ago, dougieL said:

I very much disagree with this view, but understand where you're coming from. To me, given their overall play and contribution to our team (their plus/minus is staggeringly bad given that they are basically top 5 in the league in offensive zone starts), I wouldn't want them back for more than 2 million each.

If they do come back, i think it won’t be for less than 5 each.  Who takes their minutes?  Maybe if Pettersson and Dhalen are ready they could play those minutes?  I’d like to see us get Pettersson and Dhalen over here playing for us ASAP, so we know what those two can handle.  I still think one more year for sure.

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3 minutes ago, dougieL said:

I would rather see faster and tougher players in their spots. The game is too fast for them now. Can you name one other player who is as skinny and slow as they are? All players who are as slow as the Sedins are huge (Kopitar, Brown, Getzlaf, Perry). I suspect their slow play is quite disruptive to the rhythm of our faster players like Virtanen. Consideration for emotional connection and decency of character of 37 year old players should be far down on the priority list when it comes to rebuild. We need to do what's best for the future of this team. Plain and simple - the Sedins are holding this team back both on the ice and off the ice.

no i won't respond to your straw man scenarios

if you wish to narrow the assessment of certain players by specific values you define

well then you can just predict the outcome

you don't need my commentary

 

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