12-16-FG Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Trade - Van sends Tanev to Toronto Tor sends 1st round pick 2018 & T.Dermott Van sends Toronto's 1st rd pick, B. Hutton, S Beartchi and Joulivi to Arizona. Arizona sends Oliver- Eckman- Larrson and, Domi, 4th rd pick, to Van Van selects 6th overall from Sweden Boqvist. Van signs T.Vanek 2 years$.5 million Van signs Gaudet, entry lvl contract Sedin's are not offered a contract. Have at it, but please be kind. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 - Yes to first deal. - Remove Juolevi, TO 1st, OEL, and Arizona 4th from the second deal, essentially making it Domi for Baer + Hutton. - Select Bouchard with our top pick (assuming it's not one of the top three picks) and a D with the later 1st. - Try to resign Vanek short term. - Sign Gaudette to entry level contract. - Don't resign the twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, 12-16-FG said: Trade - Van sends Tanev to Toronto Tor sends 1st round pick 2018 & T.Dermott Van sends Toronto's 1st rd pick, B. Hutton, S Beartchi and Joulivi to Arizona. Arizona sends Oliver- Eckman- Larrson and, Domi, 4th rd pick, to Van Van selects 6th overall from Sweden Boqvist. Van signs T.Vanek 2 years$.5 million Van signs Gaudet, entry lvl contract Sedin's are not offered a contract. Have at it, but please be kind. Just a thought. if you could make those first 2 trades happen that would be kind of amazing the balance is less important to the long term success of the canucks as we will have a high draft pick no matter what gaudette remains our property vanek is not vital sedins returning or not is not vital either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Trading Juolevi would be a massive error. Vanek for two years would be a bigger risk than Sedins for one year. First trade would be good for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I do not want us to see Juolevi traded. We need defense prospects to much and I think OEL is very overrated. I don't mind the first trade but Toronto seems very high on Dermott so Id ask for Liljegrin. Tanev for Liljegrin+1st Hutton+Goldy for Domi+4th Trade Del Zotto next deadline for a second and after next season Juolevi-Liljegrin Pouliot-Stetcher Brisebois-Bouchard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: - Yes to first deal. - Remove Juolevi, TO 1st, OEL, and Arizona 4th from the second deal, essentially making it Domi for Baer + Hutton. - Select Bouchard with our top pick (assuming it's not one of the top three picks) and a D with the later 1st. - Try to resign Vanek short term. - Sign Gaudette to entry level contract. - Don't resign the twins. I like all of that but Vanek back. I'd rather see some big 1 year overpayments for some C depth like Beagle or more toughness in Reaves who are both UFAs, and give us more to flip TDL day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: I like all of that but Vanek back. I'd rather see some big 1 year overpayments for some C depth like Beagle or more toughness in Reaves who are both UFAs, and give us more to flip TDL day. To be totally honest, resigning Vanek is the least relevant part of my post. I don't care all that much either way. Some toughness would be nice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Nirvanagut Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Tanev's label as "injury prone" outweighs his label as "shutdown defencemen". And the Leafs shouldn't surrender a first and a top prospect for 50 games-per-season max from Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I love how everyone wants to trade Baertschi for a guy that's 2-3 years younger and essentially brings what Baer brings anyway. Not just that but they also want to ADD to Baer to acquire a slightly younger version of Baer. If Baer were 30+ and we wanted someone 22-23 I'd say yes. But giving away assets to acquire an asset that is slightly younger just seems like a waste of assets. Domi is a upgrade in toughness over Baer sure, but I'd argue Baer is the superior defender between the two. Baer has consistently been getting better for us, whereas Domi has slightly regressed over the last 2 years. Just seems a tad redundant and doesn't really change anything in the grand scheme of things. Is Domi the superior player? Offensively I'd say yes (albeit slightly), but I do feel like Baer is very underrated around these parts. They are close enough in age and skill I'd say it's not worth throwing added assets to swap them, seems like a waste of assets. Not to mention, why does Arizona do this? Hutton can't crack our crap roster, Baer is an older less physical version of Domi. Just seems like a nothing move from both sides. Baer for Domi deals don't make sense. I want Domi, just don't see how it makes sense to have Baer going from our end. In NHL 18 you'd make the trade like that since it'd give you an abundant supply of 2nd line left wingers but this is real life. Most teams don't trade a 25 year old 2nd line LWer for a 23 year old 2nd line left winger or vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: I love how everyone wants to trade Baertschi for a guy that's 2-3 years younger and essentially brings what Baer brings anyway. Not just that but they also want to ADD to Baer to acquire a slightly younger version of Baer. If Baer were 30+ and we wanted someone 22-23 I'd say yes. But giving away assets to acquire an asset that is slightly younger just seems like a waste of assets. Domi is a upgrade in toughness over Baer sure, but I'd argue Baer is the superior defender between the two. Baer has consistently been getting better for us, whereas Domi has slightly regressed over the last 2 years. Just seems a tad redundant and doesn't really change anything in the grand scheme of things. Is Domi the superior player? Offensively I'd say yes (albeit slightly), but I do feel like Baer is very underrated around these parts. They are close enough in age and skill I'd say it's not worth throwing added assets to swap them, seems like a waste of assets. Not to mention, why does Arizona do this? Hutton can't crack our crap roster, Baer is an older less physical version of Domi. Just seems like a nothing move from both sides. Baer for Domi deals don't make sense. I want Domi, just don't see how it makes sense to have Baer going from our end. In NHL 18 you'd make the trade like that since it'd give you an abundant supply of 2nd line left wingers but this is real life. Most teams don't trade a 25 year old 2nd line LWer for a 23 year old 2nd line left winger or vice versa. I like Baer, but not at a second line contract. He is pretty average as far as creativity. Doesnt bring much physically, has a decent shot, not super fast. If he wanted 4 mill a season, i would be shopping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 7 hours ago, 12-16-FG said: Trade - Van sends Tanev to Toronto Tor sends 1st round pick 2018 & T.Dermott Van sends Toronto's 1st rd pick, B. Hutton, S Beartchi and Joulivi to Arizona. Arizona sends Oliver- Eckman- Larrson and, Domi, 4th rd pick, to Van Van selects 6th overall from Sweden Boqvist. Van signs T.Vanek 2 years$.5 million Van signs Gaudet, entry lvl contract Sedin's are not offered a contract. Have at it, but please be kind. Just a thought. All proposals are okay except we wish to keep JV and Baer. Any players suggested to replace JV and Baer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 hours ago, KKnight said: I like Baer, but not at a second line contract. He is pretty average as far as creativity. Doesnt bring much physically, has a decent shot, not super fast. If he wanted 4 mill a season, i would be shopping him. 4 mil is bordering on elite 3rd liner dollars now. I’d say he’s an elite 3rd liner, can play top 6 as long as he isn’t THE guy. I have him pegged as a 2nd liner personally. His numbers are better than Tatar’s and he’s better defensively imo. This over infatuation with toughness is a bit of a joke. Baer’s skating is better than Boeser’s and I’d say his shooting is above average. Even if it’s average he’s a 20+ goal scorer over a full season. Second liner production. If 4 mil is his asking price I say yes easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-16-FG Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 I never included a free agent signing on Defence, however the lose of Joulivi, is returned in the accusation fo Boquist. As for giving up on Bear is not to secure Domi, I looked at Bear, Hutton and Joulivi, as well the 1st as a coupling of sorts to OEL and Domi. OEL brings back some offence from the back side, and Domi fills in on the wing. I look at OEL as a 6 - 8 mil player. tops. with the twins gone this year, ? maybe next there will be money to sign OEL. Domi is a work in progress. No doubt. But rather him than Kane. With Gaudet and Petterson making a move here soon, Lind, a year or 2 away Vancouver has a real shot, of improving on their positioning in the standings the next 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underrated Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 Too risky to trade for OEL with one year left on his contract. Obviously he's a great player but we aren't interested in a rental, and that's a lot of future assets if OEL doesn't re-sign. I'm fine with the Hutton, Baertschi for Domi deal, simply because Domi has more upside. If we are trading Tanev, I think we need some top young player(s) to make it worth it. A late first rounder and a decent prospect has too much bust potential. I say this because any rebuilding team needs some core players in their prime to mentor the young guys, make the team semi-competitive, and set the tone. Tanev is our best option on D. We should trade Edler and keep Tanev unless we end up getting a top prospect an a pick. For Liljegren +1st I'd seriously consider it. For McDermott, probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 On 3/10/2018 at 2:26 PM, 48MPHSlapShot said: - Yes to first deal. - Remove Juolevi, TO 1st, OEL, and Arizona 4th from the second deal, essentially making it Domi for Baer + Hutton. - Select Bouchard with our top pick (assuming it's not one of the top three picks) and a D with the later 1st. - Try to resign Vanek short term. - Sign Gaudette to entry level contract. - Don't resign the twins. sounds much more realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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