Canuck Surfer Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Crabcakes said: If you're trying to imply that the Sedins and Edler are on steroids, you're out of line. Way off base. Long term, maybe, Baer and Goldy aren't on the team at all. Things would have to change for one of them not to fit. Baer has already shown that he is a 2LW. Goldy has yet to show that he is an NHL player. I'm not saying that he won't be. I'm hoping after last nights effort that he may be getting it finally. Nobody is talking about this, but the way the draft is setting up, barring a miracle 1 OA pick, I expect the Canucks to be selecting 2-4 and taking a really high end left winger . That changes this discussion. Or picking 3 to 5 & selecting a RH PMD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: Agree very frustrating season and last 3 years and who knows how many more though, that's the scariest part, yes we can hope and believe but until that product actually performs really hard to say. We will have to see, i don't know that there is any other option but to wait and see, or I could go do my laundry on game nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Oh Did we lose again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 if we don't care if they are ready or not, our line up next year, could be: leipsic, horvat,boeser. dahlen, pettersson, ericksson. gadjovich, gaudette, lind. archibald, sutter, virtanen. dahlin, tanev. juolevi, gudbranson. brisebois, stecher. pouliot, chatfield. demko dipietro if you believe in not rushing players into the line up, you'll have to fill players into their spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 hours ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: 2 good things the tank continued and they scored finally, but was hoping to see them break the record honestly. How close did they get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 hours ago, riffraff said: This is the thing. I'm actually 90% ok with it. Not every player can or should be a 200' robot. If every player was meant to play d and have superior fancy stats then they would be drafted for showing those skills. goldy and players like him were drafted for their obvious talents- abilities that the majority don't possess. Goldy has raw ability. This is a guy that should play on a line with good players - maybe one defence first line mate. based on this year id rather see him than gagner, lui, Baer, Granlund, dowd. Besides, he backchecks some of the time quite well... using speed in both directions is how he's going to have to make this all work. He will never have to be a pk specialist, or back-up face off guy, or even a super defensive player in his own end. Back checking is different: Boeser is no defensive genius either, but he finds a way to get back and cover his guy. Goldobin can and has done this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, smithers joe said: if we don't care if they are ready or not, our line up next year, could be: leipsic, horvat,boeser. dahlen, pettersson, ericksson. gadjovich, gaudette, lind. archibald, sutter, virtanen. dahlin, tanev. juolevi, gudbranson. brisebois, stecher. pouliot, chatfield. demko dipietro if you believe in not rushing players into the line up, you'll have to fill players into their spots. Canucks would be out-drafting every other team in the league. Can't predict the future but a rough estimate is to use this season as proxy and simply work by numbers of seasons post-draft. Next year Brisebois (2015 draft) will be in his draft+4. Players drafted in 2014 are in their draft+4 this season. Only 5 Ds out of the 64 who were drafted in 2014 played more than 40 games this season. It's 3 out of 59 for Ds drafted outside of the 1st round. Gadjovich and Lind would be in their draft+2 next season. This season only 2 Fs out of the 97 who were drafted outside of the 1st round in 2016 (this season is their draft+2) have played more than 40 games - 7 out of 21 for the 1st rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 41 minutes ago, gameburn said: Besides, he backchecks some of the time quite well... using speed in both directions is how he's going to have to make this all work. He will never have to be a pk specialist, or back-up face off guy, or even a super defensive player in his own end. Back checking is different: Boeser is no defensive genius either, but he finds a way to get back and cover his guy. Goldobin can and has done this. Good observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, mll said: Canucks would be out-drafting every other team in the league. Can't predict the future but a rough estimate is to use this season as proxy and simply work by numbers of seasons post-draft. Next year Brisebois (2015 draft) will be in his draft+4. Players drafted in 2014 are in their draft+4 this season. Only 5 Ds out of the 64 who were drafted in 2014 played more than 40 games this season. It's 3 out of 59 for Ds drafted outside of the 1st round. Gadjovich and Lind would be in their draft+2 next season. This season only 2 Fs out of the 97 who were drafted outside of the 1st round in 2016 (this season is their draft+2) have played more than 40 games - 7 out of 21 for the 1st rounders. my question was, if you don't feel they are ready, who do you fill into their spots? i'm not saying anyone is ready yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, mll said: Canucks would be out-drafting every other team in the league. Can't predict the future but a rough estimate is to use this season as proxy and simply work by numbers of seasons post-draft. Next year Brisebois (2015 draft) will be in his draft+4. Players drafted in 2014 are in their draft+4 this season. Only 5 Ds out of the 64 who were drafted in 2014 played more than 40 games this season. It's 3 out of 59 for Ds drafted outside of the 1st round. Gadjovich and Lind would be in their draft+2 next season. This season only 2 Fs out of the 97 who were drafted outside of the 1st round in 2016 (this season is their draft+2) have played more than 40 games - 7 out of 21 for the 1st rounders. Only 3 out of 59 defenceman drafted outside the first round in their draft PLUS 4 year played 40 NHL games this year? WOWSA! There are some tiny, well very big 6'7'' cheats in the presentation of that quote. As Tryamkin, for example, would have played 40 games had he been here? It only makes that 4!!! But that is a staggering statistic! There goes that theory that there are all kinds of Norris calibre D readily available & free for the taking from the 2knd round onwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, smithers joe said: if we don't care if they are ready or not, our line up next year, could be: leipsic, horvat,boeser. dahlen, pettersson, ericksson. gadjovich, gaudette, lind. archibald, sutter, virtanen. dahlin, tanev. juolevi, gudbranson. brisebois, stecher. pouliot, chatfield. demko dipietro if you believe in not rushing players into the line up, you'll have to fill players into their spots. Beautifully put together, thanks from all of us. Let's us see what the ultimate young guns team would be. The only thing that is not assured is Dahlin of course. But Adam Boqvist or the new Tkachuk could work too, lol. Chatfield looked perfectly fine last training camp, can't imagine he has regressed in a year. Puts the UFAs we signed, and the ones we may yet sign in a totally different light. Let's us see what Goldobin, Gaunce and Boucher are going to have to do, too. No Sedins, therefore, possibly no Edler.... what a different looking team. What a different leadership group too. Horvat's team, with Boeser, Gudbranson, Tanev and Gaudette (I'm guessing here) and maybe Stecher to help out. I noticed you left Granlund and Baertschi out... a trade of these 2 might give you another piece coming back that would fill out this sketch too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said: Only 3 out of 59 defenceman drafted outside the first round in their draft PLUS 4 year played 40 NHL games this year? WOWSA! There are some tiny, well very big 6'7'' cheats in the presentation of that quote. As Tryamkin, for example, would have played 40 games had he been here? It only makes that 4!!! But that is a staggering statistic! There goes that theory that there are all kinds of Norris calibre D readily available & free for the taking from the 2knd round onwards! Twice as many in their draft+5 (2013) - 6 Ds out of the 60 drafted outside of the 1st round have played more than 40 games this season. Two of the 6 play more than 18min per game. It's the Fs numbers that surprised me more. From the 2014 draft (draft+4) only 7 Fs out of 100 drafted outside of the 1st round have played more than 40 games this season. From 2012 (draft+6) to 2017 (draft+1) there were 581 Fs drafted outside of the 1st round. Only 45 have played more than 40 games this season and only 15 out of 581 have produced more than 0.5 pts/gp. Yet so many proposals to get rid of players in their mid-20s who can produce at a better rate to get draft picks and make room. By the time late round picks become contributing players, if they ever do, guys like Horvat will be UFAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 hours ago, spook007 said: Do you not think that 2line LW is earmarked for Pettersson? Edit... Saw your later post where you think we may draft a 2LW.... Hasn't he been playing right wing in Sweden this year? I know he's a left shot. I think there's a fair chance that they shelter him on the wing if he plays in the NHL next year. Long term plans are as a centre though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, gameburn said: How close did they get? It was like 10 mins and would of broke it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Or picking 3 to 5 & selecting a RH PMD? I'm hearing that there are 3 groups at the top of the draft. Dahlin on his own the 3 forwards: Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk a group of D This grouping obviously depends on who you're talking to but if they end up 2-4 and can't trade down (which they may not be able to do), Benning would likely take the BPA. Only if they are 1 or 5 would they take D (which is what I want fwiw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krizzel Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Tank is full on, lost 17 out of last 21 games... cant get better than that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, krizzel said: Tank is full on, lost 17 out of last 21 games... cant get better than that! Ouch. It's been that bad? Didn't realise that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krizzel Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, rekker said: Ouch. It's been that bad? Didn't realise that. yup, we only won 4 games since 1st Feb.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, krizzel said: yup, we only won 4 games since 1st Feb.. 9 minutes ago, krizzel said: yup, we only won 4 games since 1st Feb.. Ughh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Owl Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 9 hours ago, riffraff said: This is the thing. I'm actually 90% ok with it. Not every player can or should be a 200' robot. If every player was meant to play d and have superior fancy stats then they would be drafted for showing those skills. goldy and players like him were drafted for their obvious talents- abilities that the majority don't possess. Goldy has raw ability. This is a guy that should play on a line with good players - maybe one defence first line mate. based on this year id rather see him than gagner, lui, Baer, Granlund, dowd. I'm not sure what you're watching but I would bet there are no players on the team that would agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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