Hairy Kneel Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Keep the pick. sign Green as a place holder til Joulevi or our 7th is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said: We're not pushing for a playoff spot so why rush the plan? Let's develop our own Hanfin type D prospect in Dobson/Bouchard. Save Joulevi/Jake for ourselves. -20? hmmm... that's not good. Tanev is +7 on a bad team. well it would be nice if we could the difficulty is the rebuild has been done without sufficient attention to dmen who generally take longer to develop then o men some better d should have been drafted first so one way to overcome this problem is to acquire a higher end young established dman who is somewhat developed already that's my take on it anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 12 minutes ago, coastal.view said: well it would be nice if we could the difficulty is the rebuild has been done without sufficient attention to dmen who generally take longer to develop then o men some better d should have been drafted first so one way to overcome this problem is to acquire a higher end young established dman who is somewhat developed already that's my take on it anyway I think Sbisa and Conoughton types would be more realistic to go after. I think we would get clobbered in a bidding war for Hanafin or even Carlson. Mid level developed Dmen like your saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 If we could somehow pull of Hanifin and Carlson off free agency, our defense would be fully rebuilt, and looking damn good too. Hanifin - Carlson Edler - Stecher (down the road, Juolevi can replace Edler, and maybe we can get an improvement on Stech) Del Zotto - Gudbranson Sautner/Pouliot/Brisebois/Hutton/Biega Good mix of skill, size, speed and puck moving abilities. That leaves Tanev and Hutton open for trade, they could get us some nice assets back up front, or extra picks in this years draft. We would still have a glut of defensemen so maybe we would need to get rid of another guy for another pick in this year's or next year's draft. Or maybe in a package with another roster player to improve our forward group. It's fun to daydream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 12 hours ago, AllCanucksAllTheTime said: Most of Canucks nation is clamoring for a defenseman to be drafted with the 7th overall pick in June, but what if that pick was an intricate piece in plucking Noah Hanifin out of Carolina? Assuming GMJB and TL do in fact decide to take a blueliner at the draft, it's safe to assume one of Evan Bouchard, Adam Boqvist, Quinton Hughes, or Noah Dobson will be pulling a blue and green sweater over their head; but are any of those players better than an 18-year-old Noah Hanifin? This is a very basic side by side comparison of all five defensemen in their draft year. As you can see, Hanifin is right there with each of the potential draft picks that could come the Canucks way, but he comes with an added bonus of 239 NHL games already under his belt. He isn't an offensive dynamo like Boqvist or Bouchard, but the tools are there, and solidifying the defensive side of the blueline with players like Juloevi, Tanev, and Hanifin would allow a bigger leash for an offensive Troy Stecher, Ben Hutton, Jack Rathbone (potentially), or any future defenders the organization decides to draft. Personally, I think the 7th for Hanifin is a definite conversation starter and GMJB should kick tires. The obvious name drops of Horvat, Boeser, Petterson, or Demko are grounds for hanging up, but the idea of having two picks in the top 10 for Carolina would most definitely peak Don Waddell's interest. The flip side of the 239 NHL games advantage, is that he is an RFA at the moment. Therefore, he's due for a raise and most likely a 2 years bridge contract, followed by a long-term, lucrative deal (or he could set himself up for UFA). The Canucks won't be contenders for another 3 years, therefore i'd rather keep the 7th and his ELC. Plus we get to develop him how we want. I feel like a few guys like Dobson or Boqvist, might be NHL ready very soon. I would still trade for Hanifin, since our defense is still our weakness, but I wouldn't give up the 7th with so many good defenseman available at that time and Benning's draft history. Hanifin, is still a very good player, but he hasn't met the expectation put on him at the draft. He was suppose to be a the best defenseman of his class, a #1 D, but I think he'll only be a #2 or #3 at best. He has already been surpassed by Werenski and is about to be surpass by Chabot and Provorov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanaholic Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Forget it . . . There is zero reason to do that . . . OMG, just take the pick and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Vanuckles said: If we could somehow pull of Hanifin and Carlson off free agency, our defense would be fully rebuilt, and looking damn good too. Hanifin - Carlson Edler - Stecher (down the road, Juolevi can replace Edler, and maybe we can get an improvement on Stech) Del Zotto - Gudbranson Sautner/Pouliot/Brisebois/Hutton/Biega Good mix of skill, size, speed and puck moving abilities. That leaves Tanev and Hutton open for trade, they could get us some nice assets back up front, or extra picks in this years draft. We would still have a glut of defensemen so maybe we would need to get rid of another guy for another pick in this year's or next year's draft. Or maybe in a package with another roster player to improve our forward group. It's fun to daydream... Yes to Hanifin but not our 7th Carolina needs offence and a goalie. Send them Baertschi and Nielson plus maybe Sautner, then pick Dobson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Yes to Hanifin but not our 7th Carolina needs offence and a goalie. Send them Baertschi and Nielson plus maybe Sautner, then pick Dobson. Beartschi would be a step down for them from Skinner and they're looking to trade away Skinner... They need good quality offensive help down the middle so that Jordan Staal doesn't have to do it all. That's something we do not have, so maybe we are not ideal trading partners after all. I think Horvat for Hanifin would be fair value, but I'm not sure that's a deal the Canucks would/should make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Yes to Hanifin but not our 7th Carolina needs offence and a goalie. Send them Baertschi and Nielson plus maybe Sautner, then pick Dobson. So essentially send them a bunch of low/mid level spare parts? Yeah. That’s realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Hanifin and their 2018 2nd round pick to the Islanders for 11 and 12. Canes walk out smug buggers from the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, Vanuckles said: Beartschi would be a step down for them from Skinner and they're looking to trade away Skinner... They need good quality offensive help down the middle so that Jordan Staal doesn't have to do it all. That's something we do not have, so maybe we are not ideal trading partners after all. I think Horvat for Hanifin would be fair value, but I'm not sure that's a deal the Canucks would/should make. You overvalue Hanifin, if you are trading Horvat I would want their First and Hanifin then maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 24 minutes ago, qwijibo said: So essentially send them a bunch of low/mid level spare parts? Yeah. That’s realistic. Why not, Nielson at the worlds showed what he could do, Baertschi is a 40 point guy on a bad team .Sautner is up coming they fill all the holes they need to fill. They can draft a Center if they want to move down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Hanifin is a left-shot D. Unless his name is Quinton Hughes, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: You overvalue Hanifin, if you are trading Horvat I would want their First and Hanifin then maybe. Well of course we would like that, but you have to look at where they value Hanifin, and I do not see how why they would feel like that's a realistic offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 hour ago, timberz21 said: The flip side of the 239 NHL games advantage, is that he is an RFA at the moment. Therefore, he's due for a raise and most likely a 2 years bridge contract, followed by a long-term, lucrative deal (or he could set himself up for UFA). The Canucks won't be contenders for another 3 years, therefore i'd rather keep the 7th and his ELC. Plus we get to develop him how we want. I feel like a few guys like Dobson or Boqvist, might be NHL ready very soon. I would still trade for Hanifin, since our defense is still our weakness, but I wouldn't give up the 7th with so many good defenseman available at that time and Benning's draft history. Hanifin, is still a very good player, but he hasn't met the expectation put on him at the draft. He was suppose to be a the best defenseman of his class, a #1 D, but I think he'll only be a #2 or #3 at best. He has already been surpassed by Werenski and is about to be surpass by Chabot and Provorov. I agree will a lot of your post but we have to remember the teams these players play for? Werenski plays on a very very good team.. Provorov is playing on a decent flyers team.. Hanifin plays on Hurricanes and team goals against are not very good, look at there goaltenders.. So when you look at a player you have to consider many things... If a good winger has no set up centre man his stats will go down.. Hanifin will be at least a #2 D man and just turned 21.. We draft #7 D man this guy is only a few years younger? I would trade Baertchi & 2nd 2019 .. Hanifin & 4th 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Just now, Vanuckles said: Well of course we would like that, but you have to look at where they value Hanifin, and I do not see how why they would feel like that's a realistic offer. Why do we, as Canuck's fans (in the totally made up world of CDC) have to take into consideration the needs of another team? We don't need Hanifin. We already have Pouliot and Hutton. Plus, we have Juiolevi coming, who is going to be better than Hanifin, and cost a lot less for the next 3 years. Maybe Hanifin is making crazy money demands, and that's why the Cane's are trading him? Maybe he is another Jack Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, wildcam said: I agree will a lot of your post but we have to remember the teams these players play for? Werenski plays on a very very good team.. Provorov is playing on a decent flyers team.. Hanifin plays on Hurricanes and team goals against are not very good, look at there goaltenders.. So when you look at a player you have to consider many things... If a good winger has no set up centre man his stats will go down.. Hanifin will be at least a #2 D man and just turned 21.. We draft #7 D man this guy is only a few years younger? I would trade Baertchi & 2nd 2019 .. Hanifin & 4th 2018 Yes, this trade I would do, because if Hanifin doesn't turn out, we haven't overpaid to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Yes, this trade I would do, because if Hanifin doesn't turn out, we haven't overpaid to get him. Yes I would never trade #7 overall or Juolevi, Virtanen, Demko, Bo. Boeser, Pettersson in any trades at this time in rebuild.. Any team will have to sign new contract with Hanifin RFA ? Dollar amount say 2.8 -- 3.5 million range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundstrom17 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 I could see Carolina wanting Sutter back... but we can't afford giving up a center. Maybe if we were a third wheel in a trade taking on salary for a team we could land Hanifan that way? We don't have the assets on our own to get him.... cause we are keeping our 7th! Maybe... Carolina: Kessel, Brassard & Nilsson Pitts: Staal, Skinner and Jasek Van: Hanifan and we retain salary on Skinner and Staal? ( a million for each year of their contracts?) Kessel and Sullivan are on the outs and Piits probably would like Staal back. Also Carolina would love a big right winger. Technically Pitts doesn't need us for the trade but we could if they wanted more money to spend on a UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundstrom17 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, wildcam said: I would trade Baertchi & 2nd 2019 .. Hanifin & 4th 2018 I would like this deal to but they don't need Baer when the have Aho, McGinn and Skinner at LW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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