JeremyCuddles Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Rush17 said: He an RFA unfortunately. So NYR has sole rights unless we opt to offersheet him. Which wouldn't make sense since will need our picks given we are hosting the 2019 draft. Ahh, I see. Feels bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 On 2018-06-17 at 10:32 PM, theo5789 said: If Tkachuk falls to 7th, then there are some surprises that may have happened in the picks ahead of us (considering some have him ranked as high as 3), so I imagine that would push one of the dmen down to 9th. Kotkaniemi is getting buzz for a top 10 pick and now there are rumblings about Kravtsov and some others as well that could drop some of those dmen even more giving us more to choose from. As for Hayes, he holds onto the 2nd line center spot until hopefully Pettersson or Gaudette is ready to take that spot. Hayes may or may not be part of the future successful team in the future, but he would help contribute towards it. I don't think the drop from 7th to 9th is enough of a concern of losing a top end prospect. You are assuming a few player is moving up from outside of the top 10 if tkatchuk is available at 7 u take it and run. I would not give away the 7th plus whatever just to move to 9th and Hayes. Rangers are not dumb enough to give away Hayes for spare change so the whatever add on top of the 7th ain’t gonna be a cheap spare parts that we can afford. As u said the 7th to 9th the drop isn’t significant so why would rangers give away Hayes without getting something significant in return on top of the 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 5 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: You are assuming a few player is moving up from outside of the top 10 if tkatchuk is available at 7 u take it and run. I would not give away the 7th plus whatever just to move to 9th and Hayes. Rangers are not dumb enough to give away Hayes for spare change so the whatever add on top of the 7th ain’t gonna be a cheap spare parts that we can afford. As u said the 7th to 9th the drop isn’t significant so why would rangers give away Hayes without getting something significant in return on top of the 7th. What if we are targeting a dman the whole time? If NYR really wanted Tkachuk at 7 or someone else, perhaps giving up Hayes (who may be expendable with the acquisition of Namestikov) is how they get it done. In this scenario, Rangers take Tkachuk and perhaps the targetted dman is still available at 9th, so we gain a 2nd line C and get our target pick. With that said, you're right in that it'll depend on what else NYR is possibly asking for in addition to the deal. If it's like Goldobin that they want, I would certainly consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 20 hours ago, theo5789 said: You do realize Hayes is a centerman with size that took a large portion of the draws and was above 50%, plus is their top PK forward and plays 2nd unit PP right? That's certainly a lot more than Baertschi contributes on top of his offensive output. For 2 spots where there will still likely be a decent player available, I think he would be a solid 2nd line centerman. Also takes pressure off Horvat on the defensive end of things and to focus on offense. Also would give us the option to consider moving Sutter if Gaudette is ready for a 3rd line role. A move like this would contribute to our rebuild. I'm sorry, that is not how I see it. I would much rather keep what we have in the hope that we snag BT or one of the top defensemen than make that possibility more remote. Hayes is decent but he has not got the potential of some of the players we can pick up. We could have someone just as good or better in Gaudette or Gaunce next season. wai_lai416 Canucks Rookie Members 570 1,545 posts depends on whats available at 7th one of the D or Brady Tkatchuk.. i take any one of those than whatever's available at 9th + hayes.. by the time canucks are revelant 3-4 years he'll be at the tail end of his prime.. and this team's not exactly in a position where they can afford to give up drafting a higher end prospect to trade down to get a 25-26 year old player that most likely won't factor into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Hayes is interesting He's a good faceoff guy (as really improved) and a capable center. Big body. Good goal scorer. Good possession numbers and schooled in the AV tradition of two way forwards (42% ozone starts last year and a 25 goal scorer nevertheless). He'd definitely be in an interesting option to play with a playmaking winger like Pettersson (in the interim to whether he eventually takes a C role). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 The Canucks willingness to move from 7 to 9 would depend entirely on the perceived gaps in value between the tier of players from 3 to 9. Personally, I'm not that convinced that the separation of value from 7 to 9 is necessarily worth a player like Hayes, so I definitely look hard at that if it's an option, because when you're looking at a field like Dobson, Hughes, Walhstrom, Bouchard, Boqvist in the 7 to 9 range, it's not clear who the bpa is - the relative parity in that group may make a deal make sense - but in either event this may come down to the draft floor and who the picks remaining at 7 and 9 are - assuming the NYR can't manage to trade up higher in dangling Hayes, which might be quite possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Trade for Hayes yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, vannuck59 said: Trade for Hayes yes please for what cost though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 32 minutes ago, Alflives said: for what cost though? Maybe our 7th , Grandund, and Sautner for Hayes and their first, 9th overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Maybe our 7th , Grandund, and Sautner for Hayes and their first, 9th overall I'd do that. I like Granny and Sautner, but I think the player we get at 9 could be just as good (in a couple years of development) as the guy we get at 7. Think JB might actually do something like this? Maybe that's the rumors about our #7 pick moving, is in a deal like you suggest, where we just move down a couple spots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, Alflives said: I'd do that. I like Granny and Sautner, but I think the player we get at 9 could be just as good (in a couple years of development) as the guy we get at 7. Think JB might actually do something like this? Maybe that's the rumors about our #7 pick moving, is in a deal like you suggest, where we just move down a couple spots? Sign Beagle then you have Horvat, Hayes, Sutter and Beagle up the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Sign Beagle then you have Horvat, Hayes, Sutter and Beagle up the middle. Ooh, will need A LOT of scoring from the wing with that group of Cs. Also need a lot more from the D. Luckily we have Brock. The D well, I guess we really will have to draft well this year. Trade seems a bit of a fantasy though, can't see NY parting with a quality player like this for some scraps and a chance to move up 2 spots. Maybe Granlund would of had that value after 2017, but not after last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Ooh, will need A LOT of scoring from the wing with that group of Cs. Also need a lot more from the D. Luckily we have Brock. The D well, I guess we really will have to draft well this year. Trade seems a bit of a fantasy though, can't see NY parting with a quality player like this for some scraps and a chance to move up 2 spots. Maybe Granlund would of had that value after 2017, but not after last season. Maybe we add or subtract but look at what Florida paid for Hoffman. 3 draft picks for a 30 goal scorer with baggage I see a deal to be made maybe a second next year added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Besides Hayes is there for a reason , Give Protection to Pettersson plus playing with the golden boy is going to up his scoring a bit don't you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Beside a group of centers, Horvat, Hayes, Sutter and Beagle up the middle would extremely be hard to play against don't you think, and as far as scoring well until the kids develop we need a center group to protect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Wasn't saying not a good group, just saying would need to make up a lot of scoring in other areas. We have the tools for that on the wing, though mostly a couple years away, just not on D-Yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Leipsic Horvat Virtanen Pettersson Hayes Boeser. Granlund Sutter Eriksson Gaunce Beagle/Richie Motte Goldobin Gaudette Out: Baer and Gagner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 16 hours ago, oldnews said: Leipsic Horvat Virtanen Pettersson Hayes Boeser. Granlund Sutter Eriksson Gaunce Beagle/Richie Motte Goldobin Gaudette Out: Baer and Gagner You have it right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 17 hours ago, oldnews said: Leipsic Horvat Virtanen Pettersson Hayes Boeser. Granlund Sutter Eriksson Gaunce Beagle/Richie Motte Goldobin Gaudette Out: Baer and Gagner I like your lineup other than Leipsic who I question as a top 6 player. Canucks should have the TOI available to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: I like your lineup other than Leipsic who I question as a top 6 player. Canucks should have the TOI available to find out. Leipsic played 16:22/g in 14 g here. In any event, I think he's a good fit there - good vision, dynamic, high energy player - that line, with Horvat and Virtanen, I think would be hard to handle and solid at both ends of the ice. Leipsic could wreak some havoc with a pair of heavy two way linemates like that imo. What it enables is for Hayes to center Pettersson and Boeser - which I'd love to see: a big, physical center creating space (who can also put the puck in the net) while Pettersson takes advantage - would love to see what Boeser can do with that kind of playmaker. Of course, Goldobin is welcome to take those minutes from Leipsic, but at this point I'd lean strongly to Leipsic. We'll see what happens in camp. Bottom six are a pair of high end shutdown lines imo - would be able to provide that top 6 with opportunities - the Sutter line could very well turn the tables with some secondary scoring, even in hard minutes. And having a pair of youth options like Goldobin and Gaudette - a lot of flexibility for Green. That imo is pretty solid, young talented depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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