NDP set to unveil $15-billion climate plan that would slash greenhouse gas emissions

[DonLever]

36 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The NDP shouldn't be a party anyway.  It's ironic that this is the supposedly the party of the working class, when philosophy is one that kills the economy, and ruins the lives of the working class.   

The NDP and their predecessors have been around for more than 200 years dating back to the start of the industrial revolution when they try to improve the rights of the working man.  They improved the working conditions of the mines and factories which were horrific.  Workers were treated like slave by employees.  The NDP and others help to raise wages and give us things like a 40 hr work week.

 

Now, the NDP has gone from protecting the working class to destroying the very livelihood of the workers by killing good union jobs that mega-projects bring.  

How does focusing on climate change help the working class if there are no jobs?

 

The NDP has gone away from their roots too much and they will pay for it.  

 

Edited May 31, 2019 by DonLever

[Rob_Zepp]

4 hours ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

“millionaires shouldn’t be getting rebate cheques"

 

Never really understood this... I mean im all for helping out the less fortunate or whatever but why do we need to punish people for being successful specially if they are helping out (paying taxes, cutting emission etc) like the rest?

Income redistribution seems to be the goal of socialists across the world.   It is never occurring to them that creating opportunities and pulling up the bottom is better than propping it up by cutting down the top.   Disincentives for success have worked......uh, never in world economic history as a form of solving income inequality.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

The NDP under Horgan are a contradiction of philosophy.  They fight like crazy to limit the oil and gas industry and cars etc.  Yet they take the tolls off bridges used by those vehicles they are fighting against.  The NDP, and all left wing parties will soon be only mentioned in history books.  Our western society is running our of money.  We can no longer afford the socialist policies of the left, while keeping our comfortable lifestyles.  It's either leftist views, and their costs, or give up comfy life.  People will not give up comfy.   

you have to wonder tho what his platform would be sans Weaver? 

[MystifyNCrucify]

In the end, unless you get china, russia, and india on board....you can piss that 15 billion into the wind and try to make lemonade out of it. 

 

Cause thats what global emissions means. It means more than just canada and USA. 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

24 minutes ago, MystifyNCrucify said:

In the end, unless you get china, russia, and india on board....you can piss that 15 billion into the wind and try to make lemonade out of it. 

 

Cause thats what global emissions means. It means more than just canada and USA. 

This idea that the countries you listed are not doing anything is preposterous.  In some areas, India and China are leading most of the world.  Can they do more?  Yes, they can.  The idea that we shouldn't bother to do anything until they start doing anything is complete wrong-think.  They are doing things.  India, for example, is well on their way to achieve 2 of three major goals of their Paris commitments. 

 

https://thewire.in/environment/india-paris-climate-agreement-targets

India's major commitments:

"Under the Paris Agreement, India has made three commitments. 1) India’s greenhouse gas emission intensity of its GDP will be reduced by 33-35% below 2005 levels by 2030. 2) Alongside, 40% of India’s power capacity would be based on non-fossil fuel sources.  3) At the same time, India will create an additional ‘carbon sink’ of 2.5 to 3 billion tonnes of Co2 equivalent through additional forest and tree cover by 2030."

 

Right now

1)  Emission levels:

"The emission intensity of India’s GDP came down by 21% below 2005 levels by 2014 recording slightly more than 2% annual average improvement in emission intensity. The rate of improvement recorded between 2014-2010 was higher than that recorded between 2005-2010.

Even at this recorded rate, India could reach its Paris Agreement commitment ahead of the 2030 deadline."

 

 

2)  Power generation from non-fossil fuels:

 

"By March 2018, the report notes, citing Central Electricity Authority India had ensured 35% of its capacity is based on non-fossil fuel base such as renewables, hydroelectricity and nuclear. Another 17-23 GW of non-fossil fuel capacity addition could take India to the target well before 2030.

“After that, the sheer economics will ensure the greening of India’s power sources. We must remember, India did not commit internationally to the renewable energy capacity target. India said, 40% of its capacity would be from non-fossil fuel sources, which includes large hydropower as well as nuclear power,” explained an official."

 

 

3)  Reforestation to create CO2 sinks

"The Indian story sours when the report turns to India’s Green India mission. Under the mission, the government is to ensure an additional ‘carbon sink’ of 2.5 to 3 billion tonnes of Co2 equivalent by greening India’s forests and enhancing the tree cover beyond the forest areas by 2030. On this front, India is receding further from its target rather than improving."

[MystifyNCrucify]

2 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

This idea that the countries you listed are not doing anything is preposterous.  In some areas, India and China are leading most of the world.  Can they do more?  Yes, they can.  The idea that we shouldn't bother to do anything until they start doing anything is complete wrong-think.  They are doing things.  India, for example, is well on their way to achieve 2 of three major goals of their Paris commitments. 

 

https://thewire.in/environment/india-paris-climate-agreement-targets

India's major commitments:

"Under the Paris Agreement, India has made three commitments. 1) India’s greenhouse gas emission intensity of its GDP will be reduced by 33-35% below 2005 levels by 2030. 2) Alongside, 40% of India’s power capacity would be based on non-fossil fuel sources.  3) At the same time, India will create an additional ‘carbon sink’ of 2.5 to 3 billion tonnes of Co2 equivalent through additional forest and tree cover by 2030."

 

Right now

1)  Emission levels:

"The emission intensity of India’s GDP came down by 21% below 2005 levels by 2014 recording slightly more than 2% annual average improvement in emission intensity. The rate of improvement recorded between 2014-2010 was higher than that recorded between 2005-2010.

Even at this recorded rate, India could reach its Paris Agreement commitment ahead of the 2030 deadline."

 

 

2)  Power generation from non-fossil fuels:

 

"By March 2018, the report notes, citing Central Electricity Authority India had ensured 35% of its capacity is based on non-fossil fuel base such as renewables, hydroelectricity and nuclear. Another 17-23 GW of non-fossil fuel capacity addition could take India to the target well before 2030.

“After that, the sheer economics will ensure the greening of India’s power sources. We must remember, India did not commit internationally to the renewable energy capacity target. India said, 40% of its capacity would be from non-fossil fuel sources, which includes large hydropower as well as nuclear power,” explained an official."

 

 

3)  Reforestation to create CO2 sinks

"The Indian story sours when the report turns to India’s Green India mission. Under the mission, the government is to ensure an additional ‘carbon sink’ of 2.5 to 3 billion tonnes of Co2 equivalent by greening India’s forests and enhancing the tree cover beyond the forest areas by 2030. On this front, India is receding further from its target rather than improving."

Sigh

 

zippideedoodah. The problem is population, not pollution. An area that cannot sustain let alone control their population, no matter how friggen hard they try, will inevitably expand. Or consume. 

 

Ya ya the higher ups in those countries understand the “global emissions and pollution problem”. Do you understand the problem? 

[kingofsurrey]

Albertans cry / whine for iincreased bitumen production while their provinces forest burn to the ground 

 

Addicted to the boom and bust while they over spend on their lifestyles and save next to nothing ....

 

Albertans........  will they evolve and learn from their mistakes 

[MystifyNCrucify]

8 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Albertans cry / whine for iincreased bitumen production while their provinces forest burn to the ground 

 

Addicted to the boom and bust while they over spend on their lifestyles and save next to nothing ....

 

Albertans........  will they evolve and learn from their mistakes 

British Columbians whine and beach that they dont have enough money to pay for housing in the lower mainland, yet a virtual goldmine is waiting for them in the prairies. Alberta Saskatchewan and manitoba. Black friggen gold. 

 

Dont play that holier than thou card either...you reap what you sow.

[kingofsurrey]

1 hour ago, MystifyNCrucify said:

British Columbians whine and beach 

 

Dont play that holier than thou card either...you reap what you sow.

Are u alluding to albertas current wildfires ???

[Ryan Strome]

3 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you're walking dangerous ground there in BC my friend. I really dislike the us vs. them thing that they have with business, but it is what it is. Horgans doing better than I thought he would but of course he's in a precarious position at the moment. 

Listen as you know I hate the BC liberals and yes they made deep cuts after the ndp destroyed BC in the 90s but it had to be done. Horgan is doing good because he took over with a balanced budget, strong growth and a strong economy. It's easy to do good when things are going pretty good in the province. 

[Ryan Strome]

7 hours ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

“millionaires shouldn’t be getting rebate cheques"

 

Never really understood this... I mean im all for helping out the less fortunate or whatever but why do we need to punish people for being successful specially if they are helping out (paying taxes, cutting emission etc) like the rest?

Because trying to do well is a bad thing.

7 hours ago, thejazz97 said:

The idea is that they're coupling action on climate change with action on economic inequality. Millionaires can survive without rebate cheques, so why not spare them and work to eliminate poverty instead? 

 

The only place I really see this being an issue is with agriculture, where farmers might be technically rich but have low profit margins - if any.

Your political views have drastically changed over the last couple years. I assume you went to university in that time and the far lefties changed your mind.

[bishopshodan]

1 hour ago, MystifyNCrucify said:

British Columbians whine and beach

You spelled wine wrong...

But having some Pinot Gris at Spanish Banks tonight sounds great, for sure.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said:

Albertans cry / whine for iincreased bitumen production while their provinces forest burn to the ground 

 

Addicted to the boom and bust while they over spend on their lifestyles and save next to nothing ....

 

Albertans........  will they evolve and learn from their mistakes 

Honestly you're a hired protester imo. Your post doesn't even make sense. Albertans???

Jt bought the pipeline and is approving it... Does that make you foolish that you voted for him?

Personally I don't think so I just think you don't have a clue on a wide range of topics. Quick question, would you like zero emmisions?

[kingofsurrey]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Honestly you're a hired protester imo. Your post doesn't even make sense. Albertans???

Jt bought the pipeline and is approving it... Does that make you foolish that you voted for him?

Personally I don't think so I just think you don't have a clue on a wide range of topics. Quick question, would you like zero emmisions?

Hows the smoke out there ? 

 

U ever wonder why are climate is changing or is that a bit too strenous for your brain ? 

[thejazz97]

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Your political views have drastically changed over the last couple years. I assume you went to university in that time and the far lefties changed your mind.

They have changed drastically, and I have went to university. However, most of the people I go to school with are (fiscally, at least) right-of-centre, and I haven't met too many far left (or far right, for that matter) people at all. None of my profs enforced any type of "doctrine".

 

Most of my political beliefs were centred in my Christian upbringing, which I gave up three or so years ago? And just generally reading into science and statistics. Idk. Maybe I gained some empathy  

[Alflives]

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Listen as you know I hate the BC liberals and yes they made deep cuts after the ndp destroyed BC in the 90s but it had to be done. Horgan is doing good because he took over with a balanced budget, strong growth and a strong economy. It's easy to do good when things are going pretty good in the province. 

Horgan is a hypocrite.  Like all NDP governments he’s going to lead to economic disaster.  He friggin took tolls of the bridges!  How in the hell is that justified, when he’s trying to reduce our carbon output?  That’s like taking the taxes off cigarettes while increasing advertising that smoking kills.  

[Ryan Strome]

12 minutes ago, thejazz97 said:

They have changed drastically, and I have went to university. However, most of the people I go to school with are (fiscally, at least) right-of-centre, and I haven't met too many far left (or far right, for that matter) people at all. None of my profs enforced any type of "doctrine".

 

Most of my political beliefs were centred in my Christian upbringing, which I gave up three or so years ago? And just generally reading into science and statistics. Idk. Maybe I gained some empathy  

How is the ndp strength these days in Saskatchewan?

[kingofsurrey]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Horgan is a hypocrite.  Like all NDP governments he’s going to lead to economic disaster.  He friggin took tolls of the bridges!  How in the hell is that justified, when he’s trying to reduce our carbon output?  That’s like taking the taxes off cigarettes while increasing advertising that smoking kills.  

Tolling only the good people of Surrey, Langley and Abby was totally not fair.  BC Liberals lost the election on that issue.

If you want to toll bridges in Vancouver.... toll every bridge and the sea to sky highway as well.

 

[kingofsurrey]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

How is the ndp strength these days in Saskatchewan?

Is marrying  your cousins  legal in Saskatchewan ?

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

Is marrying  your cousins  legal in Saskatchewan ?

I will let Jazzy tackle that question..