The DumbBrexit / #Wexit thread

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, MikeBossy said:

Interesting opinion article in the Edmonton Journal (does this sum up what the rest of Canada thinks when Alberta complains about their current situation?):

 

https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/columnists/swann-stop-the-blame-game-albertas-plight-is-our-own-doing?fbclid=IwAR2mLTJuzGuEwc8cj029aq9zJ7I30_zlRPnC4XsYbvzMiefKyDObQouT7lY

 

Swann: Stop the blame game; Alberta's plight is our own doing

 

DAVID SWANN 

Updated: November 16, 2019

Abandoned oil well equipment near Legal. File photo. SUPPLIED / POSTMEDIA, FILE

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After 11 years as an MLA in the Alberta legislature under the Progressive Conservative government I feel compelled to challenge the blame now levelled at Ottawa for our difficult economic state.

The current Alberta Conservatives have ramped up the tiresome strategy as old as Alberta; when in distress — blame the feds for our economic woes. And denounce the efforts for the TMX pipeline and policies for a new energy future, beyond carbon. The blame game by the UCP government also feeds climate change denial in spite of the overwhelming science and the growing global human suffering.

How many booms and busts does it take for a Conservative government, in power for 44 years, to acknowledge they have failed to both recognize the need for alternate markets for our oil, more economic diversity and a science-based response to climate warming with stimulus for clean energy, energy conservation and efficiency programs?

Transition is difficult at any time, and particularly in a recession. But responsible leaders do not ignore the science pointing to a climate tipping point in a decade. This is not the time to double down on fossil fuel stimulus, investment and subsidies. Nor is blaming the federal government (in power for just over one term) for the lack of pipelines.

It’s time to face the truth. We are an oil state, with all its advantages, entitlements, hubris and decades of quid pro quo between the oil industry and the people in power, neglecting Alberta’s long-term well-being.

Despite 15 years of prices from $50/barrel to $100/barrel (inflation-adjusted) there is little to show in the public purse to buffer our recession. Alberta’s Heritage Trust Fund is sitting under $20 billion, unlike Norway, which started its fund 15 years after Alberta and now has $1 trillion as insurance against the future. That is leadership in the public interest.

Royalties have declined from roughly 30 per cent in Lougheed’s time to close to three per cent in the last few years; and yet the Big Five (Suncor, CNRL, Cenovus, Imperial and Husky) continue to post billions in profits. Albertans aren’t told that most companies operating in Alberta are foreign-owned, taking those profits elsewhere!

Anyone close to industry knows the Western Sedimentary Basin is virtually empty and conventional companies have been losing money since 2009, transferring low-producing wells to junior companies, with growing numbers taking what they can and walking away from clean-up obligations; now totalling $260 billion.

Again, Conservative governments continue to turn a blind eye to the contractual clean-up obligations of the oil industry. Government and its so-called “arms-length” regulators (specifically the Alberta Energy Regulator) have been captured by the industry and the Orphan Well Association (OWA), largely controlled by the industry, is now lost in a sea of insolvencies, begging for public money.

Ironically, this lack of foresight, integrity and political will have contributed to distrust and loss of confidence from investors. The Kenney war room is another blatant political ploy against both climate science and free speech; ironically, it is partially funded by foreign oil companies.

Oil prices and the global move away from fossil fuels are beyond our control. Let’s stop the blame game and acknowledge that we are all responsible for the Alberta we have, and for the Alberta we leave to our children. For all our sakes, let us see some mature, honest negotiating in good faith across this country and do our collective best to live up to our international commitment on the climate crisis. Alberta’s present state is largely our own doing.

David Swann is former leader of the Alberta Liberal Party and past MLA for Calgary-Mountain View.

 

But...

 

Trudeau

[kingofsurrey]

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

But...

 

Trudeau

Great article.   People are so sick of Alberta playing the blame game for their own mismanagement.  It is pathetic. 

[Warhippy]

13 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Great article.   People are so sick of Alberta playing the blame game for their own mismanagement.  It is pathetic. 

Pffft written by a liberal though.  Envirofascist trying to keep albertas oil in the ground and keep the province poor and landlocked so it can serve Trudeau's chosen people in Quebec

 

No doubt

[kingofsurrey]

11 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Pffft written by a liberal though.  Envirofascist trying to keep albertas oil in the ground and keep the province poor and landlocked so it can serve Trudeau's chosen people in Quebec

 

No doubt

Albertans refusing to accept responsibility for their provinces mismanagement....

 

It is like the fat guy / fat lady blaming their poor food choices on their next door neighbours....  Makes no sense.  Frankly, its needy and desperate. 

 

Hoping the new Generation of young Albertans will be more responsible with their provinces resource management  / government spending policies and stop the blaming others game. 

[Gurn]

6 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Albertans refusing to accept responsibility for their provinces mismanagement....

I understand not accepting responsibility, after all once these folk are elected, a lot just do what they want. However don't be blaming other folk for problems caused by their provincial government.

[Ryan Strome]

On 11/19/2019 at 8:21 PM, Warhippy said:

The people writing those comments are also the ones that claim Trudeau as being the most corrupt PM in history and state that nobody that corrupt should be in charge of anything.  They do that without a single shred of intelligence regarding the irony in their statements

Name a more corrupt PM then JT.

 

Btw there is a couple of you obsessed with Alberta eh?

Jealous much?

[Warhippy]

10 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Name a more corrupt PM then JT.

 

Btw there is a couple of you obsessed with Alberta eh?

Jealous much?

Mulroney.

 

Are we talking about people or cabinets?  

 

If cabinets

 

Harper.

 

Obsessed?  Nah.  We're worried because Alberta is functioning like an addict in denial right now.

 

As a family it's in our interests to point that out.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

15 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Name a more corrupt PM then JT.

Macdonald had to resign as PM as a result of a scandal.  Pretty boy hasn't achieved that.......yet.

Edited November 22, 2019 by NewbieCanuckFan

[Warhippy]

25 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Macdonald had to resign as PM as a result of a scandal.  Pretty boy hasn't achieved that.......yet.

Give him time.  He'll be excused by the party sooner than later at this rate.

 

I enjoy that his successor is now his deputy pm

 

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

Name a more corrupt PM then JT.

If Justin is the worst we've had, we're doing incredibly well as a country. Worst scandal, trying to save his ass and some jobs at the same time. Oh the horror. 

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

Mulroney.

 

Are we talking about people or cabinets?  

 

If cabinets

 

Harper.

 

Obsessed?  Nah.  We're worried because Alberta is functioning like an addict in denial right now.

 

As a family it's in our interests to point that out.

Mulroney never blocked an obstruction of justice investigation. 

Nah it's more like far lefties like gurn and yourself need a third thread just for Alberta news. The firing omg how did Alberta function before 2018. 

The thread is about wexit yet you two follow as much Alberta news as you do American news.

This addict has all the money haha.

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Macdonald had to resign as PM as a result of a scandal.  Pretty boy hasn't achieved that.......yet.

I don't think they could get away with as much then.lol

4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

If Justin is the worst we've had, we're doing incredibly well as a country. Worst scandal, trying to save his ass and some jobs at the same time. Oh the horror. 

JOBS WOULDN'T BE LOST for the 100th time. You are forgetting blocking an obstruction of justice investigation and a lot of other stuff but ok.

[JM_]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

JOBS WOULDN'T BE LOST for the 100th time. You are forgetting blocking an obstruction of justice investigation and a lot of other stuff but ok.

Of course they would. You're in agreement with the Tyee on that one. 

 

Everything he did was within our current laws. You don't like it, but thats the truth. JWR said so. 

[Ryan Strome]

20 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Of course they would. You're in agreement with the Tyee on that one. 

 

Everything he did was within our current laws. You don't like it, but thats the truth. JWR said so. 

It's within the law because the government of the day can block anything. They have a 10-year agreement they have to fulfill so how could jobs be lost? The CEO also stated that there was no talk of moving or jobs being lost. If it's anywhere but Quebec this isn't even a conversation. You don't like it but it's the truth.

Edited November 22, 2019 by Ryan Strome

[JM_]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

It's within the law because the government of the day can block anything. They have a 10-year agreement they have to fulfill so how could jobs be lost? The CEO also stated that there was no talk of moving or jobs being lost. If it's anywhere but Quebec this isn't even a conversation. You don't like it but it's the truth.

its a publicly traded company that is facing being shut out of contracts if found guilty, how many new projects do you see coming after that ?

 

you like using the word "corrupt" when it comes to Trudeau, but this is your only example. And its not actually corruption.

 

And whats wrong with supporting jobs in Quebec? 

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

its a publicly traded company that is facing being shut out of contracts if found guilty, how many new projects do you see coming after that ?

 

you like using the word "corrupt" when it comes to Trudeau, but this is your only example. And its not actually corruption.

 

And whats wrong with supporting jobs in Quebec? 

Only government of Canada contracts. They would been taken over, no job loss.

His cabinet is pretty corrupt, Morneau and Leblanc say hi.

Jt is a combination of corrupt, liar and scam artist. 

Still appointing long time liberals to the senate, lied about the globe story we now know is true. Secret island trip which lead to his first ethics violation. 

He treats veterans and first nations as sub human. Imposes a carbon tax on every one except Quebec apparently cap and trade is fine if you're a french province, except New Brunswick, you know the only bilingual province in Canada. Allows to Quebec to violate the charter, 1500$ dinner dates with him and his ministers. The list is endless. 

[JM_]

5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Only government of Canada contracts. They would been taken over, no job loss.

His cabinet is pretty corrupt, Morneau and Leblanc say hi.

Jt is a combination of corrupt, liar and scam artist. 

Still appointing long time liberals to the senate, lied about the globe story we now know is true. Secret island trip which lead to his first ethics violation. 

He treats veterans and first nations as sub human. Imposes a carbon tax on every one except Quebec apparently cap and trade is fine if you're a french province, except New Brunswick, you know the only bilingual province in Canada. Allows to Quebec to violate the charter, 1500$ dinner dates with him and his ministers. The list is endless. 

you're kind of making my point from earlier, we're doing pretty darn good if this ^ is our 'worst ever'. 

 

Gee a vacation and an ethics violation a lot of people think is based on a misinterpretation. 

 

Why are you dragging others into this btw? Morneau was cleared, but thats not good enough? 

 

Again, none of this is "corruption". We can debate if its crappy leadership or not. But the guy isn't a criminal. All those last points of yours apply to all previous gov't too. 

 

Oh and if being taken over is OK you should be fine with Encana moving to the US. No job losses, am i rite? 

 

Edited November 22, 2019 by Jimmy McGill

[inane]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Only government of Canada contracts. They would been taken over, no job loss.

His cabinet is pretty corrupt, Morneau and Leblanc say hi.

Jt is a combination of corrupt, liar and scam artist. 

Still appointing long time liberals to the senate, lied about the globe story we now know is true. Secret island trip which lead to his first ethics violation. 

He treats veterans and first nations as sub human. Imposes a carbon tax on every one except Quebec apparently cap and trade is fine if you're a french province, except New Brunswick, you know the only bilingual province in Canada. Allows to Quebec to violate the charter, 1500$ dinner dates with him and his ministers. The list is endless. 

for all the complaining you do about people talking about alberta you sure complain a lot about trudeau.

 

i guess we all have our thing lol

 

[bishopshodan]

6 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

He treats veterans and first nations as sub human.

What did he do?

 

I hear a lot of praise for this gov in relation to first nations. There was a lady on the radio from a none partisan group saying they had done more than any other gov for fresh water, but a lot more has to be done. That said there is some concern because the Libs are pushing it to private companies which is not the best idea. 

 

As for Vets. It drives me nuts that these people are constantly let down, disgusting. I would put veteran support a lot higher on the list, it seems like no party is concerned enough on this issue.

[BPA]

26 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

As for Vets. It drives me nuts that these people are constantly let down, disgusting. I would put veteran support a lot higher on the list, it seems like no party is concerned enough on this issue.

Neither party (Conservatives and Liberals) have a good record supporting Vets.

[Toews]

9 minutes ago, BPA said:

Neither party (Conservatives and Liberals) have a good record supporting Vets.

Both parties know that veterans are not too high on the general public's priority list as far as policy. Conservatives love veterans as much as they love unborn babies (ie. until the bill is due) and liberals love to spend, by the time the vets come around, there is nothing left but table scraps. 

Edited November 23, 2019 by Toews