Whalespray Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) So Loui has got to go. What we know is that his cap hit is what is killing us though he is only owed 5m in real money the next 2 years. The aqua men's blueberry farms are bustling with this years harvest. We can take on more actual salary in exchange for lower cap hit or more useful pieces. This first one I'm expecting to be assaulted. To LA Loui no the fans aren't Louing Eriksson 6m x2 + Shotgun Jake guessing he signs 2.8m aav total 8.8m off the books To Vancouver Capt D bag Brown 5.8m x2, 4m x2 in real money. Brown is still a useful player and as much as I hate him and his cheep shotting ways the guy led his team dominating the playoffs and if Pearson and Toffoli ok'd this trade he is a guy who would be waaaaaay more useful as a placeholder for Podkolzin in our bottom 6 than Loui. 66GP 17G 18A 35p -1 22pim says he can still play. LA maybe they can fix Jake maybe that atmosphere is what he needs instead of trying to teach him class maybe they can mold him into super douche and they get their next Brown light. They have the cap space to make this deal the money in their side is negligible and they get the best player in the deal. Miller Pete Boeser Pearson Bo Toffoli Brown Gaud Sutter Roussel Beag Motte Callups Hog n Pod Trade #2 To Florida Loui the Meme generator Eriksson + Brogan Rafferty To Van Anton the swedish fish Stralman Anton is a 34yo RHD making 5.5m x2 he is owed 10m cash remaining. For a guy who made his bread n butter over his career as a PP QB putting up just under 20pts a season from the back end the last 3 seasons I would deem 11m a fairly hefty price tag. I'm not sure what Floridas books look like but they save 6m real dollars. The Canucks get a player who fills a position of need with experience the cap hits are nearly a wash I consider this a hockey trade. Hughes Tanev Edler Myers Rathbone Stralman Olli Benn/Woo Edited September 19, 2020 by Whalespray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Well, thank you for not including Brock in this proposal. As much as I dislike Brown, but if he made the Canucks tougher to play against and could produce, I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 To Ottawa Lui Jake Sutter 5th Palmu To Vancouver 7th and ufa rights to Hainsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 You think Jake cuts down on the partying moving to LA? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whalespray Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Squamfan said: To Ottawa Lui Jake Sutter 5th Palmu To Vancouver 7th and ufa rights to Hainsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whalespray Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: You think Jake cuts down on the partying moving to LA? No I think he ramps it up maybe he's fuel'd by stripper glitter. And we've just been doing it wrong all along. Edited September 19, 2020 by Whalespray 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Whalespray said: its a cap dump dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Just now, Squamfan said: its a cap dump dude Maybe if Aquilini throws in a couple years worth of food stamps for Melnyk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whalespray Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Squamfan said: its a cap dump dude You forgot Baertschi. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: Well, thank you for not including Brock in this proposal. As much as I dislike Brown, but if he made the Canucks tougher to play against and could produce, I'm in. Brown isn't a 'tough guy'. He only acts tough & then hides behind the tough guys on the Kings. Stecher has more balz than Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Here's the problem with all of these proposals. There are probably 2 -6 teams looking to weaponize cap space. They can probably take 1 player. There are 15 + teams looking to dump more than 1 player. You could argue the Canucks have 4 plus to dump. Therefore the demand is greater than the supply. That means a high price. JB has his work cut out for him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whalespray Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Chris12345 said: Here's the problem with all of these proposals. There are probably 2 -6 teams looking to weaponize cap space. They can probably take 1 player. There are 15 + teams looking to dump more than 1 player. You could argue the Canucks have 4 plus to dump. Therefore the demand is greater than the supply. That means a high price. JB has his work cut out for him. These weren't cap dumps Brown and Stralman both make nearly the same cap hit as Loui both teams are still in the same position they were in before to weaponize their cap in fact they are in a better position because they save salary in both these deals to better afford to take on other cap dumps if they so desire. The point here was to move Loui for players who better fit our needs not have to retain anything and not give up too much to do it. Edited September 19, 2020 by Whalespray 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Stralman was more than a PP specialist though. Before his offensive numbers took a nosedive, he was a top 4 D. Probably no better than a #5 now but imho still more valuable than an older 4th line winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whalespray Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Stralman was more than a PP specialist though. Before his offensive numbers took a nosedive, he was a top 4 D. Probably no better than a #5 now but imho still more valuable than an older 4th line winger. Totally agree the only reason Flodida might think about it is the $$$ they save depends how cash strapped they are Stralman is still owed 9.5m he is still owed vs 4m for Eriksson. I threw in Brogan so they have a bottom pairing replacement who is younger and cheep. Edited September 19, 2020 by Whalespray 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poet Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I agree that the only way to shed salary is to offer a package with Jake. We can’t really take back salary, though...even if the Stralman idea is intriguing. Getting rid of Louie is going to be a really tough sell. Unfortunately, I think he plays out his contract here. Packaging Jake and Sutter, on the other hand, might generate a taker...Some teams might still see Sutter as a useful player: like Jake and Sutter to Ottawa for a 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whalespray Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) Edit misunderstood Edited September 19, 2020 by Whalespray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Whalespray said: These weren't cap dumps Brown and Stralman both make nearly the same cap hit as Loui both teams are still in the same position they were in before to weaponize their cap in fact they are in a better position because they save salary in both these deals to better afford to take on other cap dumps if they so desire. The point here was to move Loui for players who better fit our needs not have to retain anything and not give up too much to do it. Yea I get that angle. The proposal is a hockey trade....without NHL players lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 3:30 PM, Chris12345 said: Here's the problem with all of these proposals. There are probably 2 -6 teams looking to weaponize cap space. They can probably take 1 player. There are 15 + teams looking to dump more than 1 player. You could argue the Canucks have 4 plus to dump. Therefore the demand is greater than the supply. That means a high price. JB has his work cut out for him. Yes. And of those 15 most of them have 2/3 guys they could pick and choose from to gain more cap. Of the 2-6 (which is generous). The atmosphere is going to change over the. next 2-3 years with a flat cap to help deal with enormous escrow. Funny how in 1-2 years all our cap troubles could just disappear if we play our cards right - as in stay away from the UFA market. Yes we need a balance just hope we still end up with a big wad of cash left during this phase because it likely will purchase more then we could have under ordinary circumstances. Detroit and OTT are in the leagues best position to take full advantage of this - Seattle too in a way. GMs will be awfully tempted to do what PIT did which was pay them to take a MAF just to make cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) Ya, I think most of the responses aren’t “getting” that the teams with cap space also don’t have any actual money to spend. If they can swing $5 million in real dollars to take on bad contracts... that is what they have and the cap hits of those incoming contracts have no real bearing at all. They aren’t going to take a $6 million dollar cap dump who also costs $6 million in real dollars... not without a massive sweetener. Taking on a player that has a $6 million cap hit but only costs $2.5 million real dollars is a lot easier to manage. If it is an actual NHL player like Eriksson, that is really only about $1.5 million more than what it would cost to fill that roster spot with anyone else. I had independently in another thread mentioned Florida as a possible partner for Loui with Rafferty and Stralman swapping. If Florida wants to reduce their spending on D and spend more on offence... they can either move one of their best players in Ekblad or they can find a landing spot for one of their overpaid veterans who have trade protection. They save cash, as noted above, by that move and get a cheap young D in the bargain. It is certainly the type of deal we should look at. It gives us a veteran D with only two years term left... which could be a good fit for us if Tanev wants a really long term deal that we shouldn’t give. Edited September 21, 2020 by Provost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 11:57 AM, Whalespray said: To Florida Loui the Meme generator Eriksson + Brogan Rafferty To Van Anton the swedish fish Stralman Anton is a 34yo RHD making 5.5m x2 he is owed 10m cash remaining. For a guy who made his bread n butter over his career as a PP QB putting up just under 20pts a season from the back end the last 3 seasons I would deem 11m a fairly hefty price tag. I'm not sure what Floridas books look like but they save 6m real dollars. The Canucks get a player who fills a position of need with experience the cap hits are nearly a wash I consider this a hockey trade. Hughes Tanev Edler Myers Rathbone Stralman Olli Benn/Woo I’ve been thinking about a possible Eriksson/Stralman deal for a few weeks now. And with recent rumours of Florida trying to trade a D-man, and Van talking to Loui about trade options, it seems more and more plausible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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