Ghostsof1915 Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 There have always been warning signs surrounding Kassian, look at this picture taken when he was 4 years old. I can't quite put my finger on it but something seems a little off. He played hockey with Marshall, Will and Holly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 4 points against an AHL team. What an accomplishment... Hodgson plays on the worst team in the league against tough competition. There's a reason he doesn't do as well as he can. He dekes around guys all of the time and arguably some of the best hands in the league. A young player of his caliber is exactly what the Canucks need right now. Look at other teams... Kassian is not a game changer and Kassian is not an elite young forward. Every other team in the league has a Hodgson caliber young player/forward except for the Canucks. Kassian is looking like a 3rd liner while the guys I listed are looking like 1st and 2nd liners and 1st and 2nd pairing guys. Hodgson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kassian anyday I wonder who it is that has resurfaced here, "Nosferatu"? I deleted that other nonsense - the names of irrelevent players in no way comparable to Hodgson. As for the delusions you've stated here, how do they stand up to facts? Hodgson faces a corsi quality of competition 0.177 Kassian faces a corsi quality of competion of 0.554 Hodgson's corsi on is -16.52 (25th on the "AHL" Sabres), his relative corsi is -3.1 Kassian's corsi on is -1.43 and relative corsi is -1.7 (that is relative to his team-mates), on a much better team. Kassian has had better underlying numbers since the day these two arrived in the NHL. Hodgson plays 18.1 minutes a night. Kassian plays 12.68. Hodgson has 9 goals and 11 assists at even strength, playing in Buffalo's top 6. Kassian has 12 goals and 12 assists in fewer, 3rd line minutes. Hodgson is scoring 1.89 points per 60 minutes with 44.4% of that coming on the powerplay. Kassian is scoring 1.79 points per 60 minutes with 3.9% of that coming on the powerplay. A large portion of Hodgson's production came playing with Vanek, with much better situational opportunities. Kassian's mainstay linemate has been David Booth, a guy who has caught fire to get his shooting% up to 8.1% and who has 9 assists this season. Combine that with Kassian's 16.3% shooting percentage, and it's fairly clear that Kassian gives more than he receives where setting up his linemates is concerned, a part of his game that has elite potential, with great vision, hands, and the ability to deliver passes second to very few of his team-mates. Hodgson is -24 and is 46% in the faceoff circle. Kassian is -5 while getting 42.9% offensive zone starts. Hodgson is a 4.25 million cap hit. Kassian is 870k. Kassian knocked out Ben Eager, a guy notorious for taking runs at the Sedins, and has provided that kind of presence while remaining level-headed and disciplined the vast majority of the time. Hodgson is pretty much a one dimensional player with some patently obvious weak spots in his game, not the least of which is vacant defensive zone coverage, slow foot speed, lack of physicality and inability to handle larger forwards down low, and the need to be subsidized by two way linemates. Hodgson is not a "game changer", he's not an "elite young forward". Ironically, considering your claims about playing on a bad team, that is necessary in order for him to get the ice time he wanted. What he's doing with it isn't as impressive as the younger power forward the Canucks dealt him for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 What holds Hodgson back from being elite is the fact that he isn't big/physical, and he isn't fast either. Kassian, if he becomes what he could be, could be downright dominant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 I wonder who it is that has resurfaced here, "Nosferatu"? I deleted that other nonsense - the names of irrelevent players in no way comparable to Hodgson. As for the delusions you've stated here, how do they stand up to facts? Hodgson faces a corsi quality of competition 0.177 Kassian faces a corsi quality of competion of 0.554 Hodgson's corsi on is -16.52 (25th on the "AHL" Sabres), his relative corsi is -3.1 Kassian's corsi on is -1.43 and relative corsi is -1.7 (that is relative to his team-mates), on a much better team. Kassian has had better underlying numbers since the day these two arrived in the NHL. Hodgson plays 18.1 minutes a night. Kassian plays 12.68. Hodgson has 9 goals and 11 assists at even strength, playing in Buffalo's top 6. Kassian has 12 goals and 12 assists in fewer, 3rd line minutes. Hodgson is scoring 1.89 points per 60 minutes with 44.4% of that coming on the powerplay. Kassian is scoring 1.79 points per 60 minutes with 3.9% of that coming on the powerplay. A large portion of Hodgson's production came playing with Vanek, with much better situational opportunities. Kassian's mainstay linemate has been David Booth, a guy who has caught fire to get his shooting% up to 8.1% and who has 9 assists this season. Combine that with Kassian's 16.3% shooting percentage, and it's fairly clear that Kassian gives more than he receives where setting up his linemates is concerned, a part of his game that has elite potential, with great vision, hands, and the ability to deliver passes second to very few of his team-mates. Hodgson is -24 and is 46% in the faceoff circle. Kassian is -5 while getting 42.9% offensive zone starts. Hodgson is a 4.25 million cap hit. Kassian is 870k. Kassian knocked out Ben Eager, a guy notorious for taking runs at the Sedins, and has provided that kind of presence while remaining level-headed and disciplined the vast majority of the time. Hodgson is pretty much a one dimensional player with some patently obvious weak spots in his game, not the least of which is vacant defensive zone coverage, slow foot speed, lack of physicality and inability to handle larger forwards down low, and the need to be subsidized by two way linemates. Hodgson is not a "game changer", he's not an "elite young forward". Ironically, considering your claims about playing on a bad team, that is necessary in order for him to get the ice time he wanted. What he's doing with it isn't as impressive as the younger power forward the Canucks dealt him for. Throwing out advance stats to flush out a certain someone's true identity? Great points, and yes I have been extremely happy with the growth I've seen from Kassian this year, and I think he and Jensen could make a great pair of wingers for the 2nd line in the future. Kass with the pass and Nick with the stick. For the meantime, Kass has looked very good with Matthias, who I also like. Jensen Matthias Kassian would be a VERY nice third line if we could EVER stay healthy enough to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 oldnews, I'll try this one. Hodgson would have been more useful to the Canucks had he shot right instead of left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Throwing out advance stats to flush out a certain someone's true identity? Great points, and yes I have been extremely happy with the growth I've seen from Kassian this year, and I think he and Jensen could make a great pair of wingers for the 2nd line in the future. Kass with the pass and Nick with the stick. For the meantime, Kass has looked very good with Matthias, who I also like. Jensen Matthias Kassian would be a VERY nice third line if we could EVER stay healthy enough to see it. Nice. You have to love the size, speed, and skillset those guys have to offer. What a handful to deal with, particularly if you've spent your shutdown pairing/line elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Lots of Hodgson hate now that Kassian has scored multiple points in a game.Kassian had one multiple point (two points) game all season before Matthias came and/or the Buffalo game.Now he has two.He had zero last year.He had two - two point games the season before. Again,one game was against Buffalo.Kassian has logged a negative +/- every year he has played in the NHL.In 63 games playing for the Canucks in 2011-12 Hodgson logged SEVEN(7) multiple point games.Rookie season.Hodgson has tallied SEVEN(7) multiple point games this season.Hodgson tallied EIGHT (8) multiple point games in 48 games played last season.Hodgson has 22 multiple point NHL games under his sweater. Kassian? Four in his career.It would be interesting to see how the players would do if the roles were reversed.How would Kassian do on a last place(statistically and scoring) team without any help from first and second liners that open up the ice?How would Kassian do without an eight year veteran in Richardson or a $4.5 m dollar veteran player in Booth or a 6'4" veteran in Matthias opening up ice for him?Since Matthias came to the Canucks earlier this month Kassian has scored two goals,adding five assists or 30% of his total stats for this entire year.Kassian had one multiple (two-points) game all season before Matthias came and/or the Buffalo game.Hodgson scored 3 more multiple points games playing ten minutes per night with AV in 63 games as a Canucks rookie than Kassian has tallied in his entire 149 game career.Kassian fits a third line role well here.He is not relied upon for scoring with less than one handful of multiple point games throughout his career.Contrary to the Hodgson bashers hatred,he was once a Canuck and will always be a Canuck,just like Kassian will be when he is traded and no longer on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Another assist for Kassquatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 You see him control the puck for a good 15 seconds prior to that goal? He is really coming in to his own as a play maker. He looks dangerous and creative when he has possession in the offensive zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Yeah, he looked really strong that entire shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Lots of Hodgson hate now that Kassian has scored multiple points in a game. Kassian had one multiple point (two points) game all season before Matthias came and/or the Buffalo game. Now he has two. He had zero last year. He had two - two point games the season before. Again,one game was against Buffalo. Kassian has logged a negative +/- every year he has played in the NHL. In 63 games playing for the Canucks in 2011-12 Hodgson logged SEVEN(7) multiple point games.Rookie season. Hodgson has tallied SEVEN(7) multiple point games this season. Hodgson tallied EIGHT (8) multiple point games in 48 games played last season. Hodgson has 22 multiple point NHL games under his sweater. Kassian? Four in his career. It would be interesting to see how the players would do if the roles were reversed. How would Kassian do on a last place(statistically and scoring) team without any help from first and second liners that open up the ice? How would Kassian do without an eight year veteran in Richardson or a $4.5 m dollar veteran player in Booth or a 6'4" veteran in Matthias opening up ice for him? Since Matthias came to the Canucks earlier this month Kassian has scored two goals,adding five assists or 30% of his total stats for this entire year. Kassian had one multiple (two-points) game all season before Matthias came and/or the Buffalo game. Hodgson scored 3 more multiple points games playing ten minutes per night with AV in 63 games as a Canucks rookie than Kassian has tallied in his entire 149 game career. Kassian fits a third line role well here.He is not relied upon for scoring with less than one handful of multiple point games throughout his career. Contrary to the Hodgson bashers hatred,he was once a Canuck and will always be a Canuck,just like Kassian will be when he is traded and no longer on the team. How much research was this for you? I sure hope it didn't take you too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Notice how he used Booth's cap hit, and not his stats to support his argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Kassian supporters like what a current member of our organization brings, and see the positives of his future. Hodgson lovers lament the past and operate on a basis of presumed loss. At this point, three years later, the conversation is divided by different personalities, not opinions. Those who live in the present and prepare for the future talk about Kassian's progress and potential. Those who live in the past and dwell on what could have been constantly bring up Hodgson as though they were robbed of the next super star. I don't really care what stats you can dig up to show Hodgson is better. The fact is that if you can't let go of the comparison, then you are the type of person that holds grudges, fixates on presumed futures past, and likely wears pajama pants to the grocery store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Notice how he used Booth's cap hit, and not his stats to support his argument? No kidding eh. Booth's shooting percentage is probably higher than his percentage of passes to touches. I also see a lot of Kassian "hate" in that morse code / 'stats'. Just look at the first paragraph. One, two, zero, two, two, one, negative. Says it all, right there. Really hates Kassian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosferatu. Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Hodgson would have been a game changer in the game today. But no, we need 3rd line grinders that disappear when it matters and don't play well against good teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Hodgson would have been a game changer in the game today. But no, we need 3rd line grinders that disappear when it matters and don't play well against good teams. Kassian had 6 points in 3 games before this one. Who's disappearing when it matters? Colorado is not a good team? He scored against them FYI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosferatu. Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Kassian had 6 points in 3 games before this one. Who's disappearing when it matters? Colorado is not a good team? He scored against them FYI. Where was Kassian during the horrible January? Invisible. Kassian has one good game against the worst team in the league and now he's a god, lol. . And one lucky goal from being in the right place at the right time when the other player did all the work is not that impressive. The guy did nothing the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosferatu. Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 The Kassian trade was this team's transition from elite to mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 Where was Kassian during the horrible January? Invisible. Kassian has one good game against the worst team in the league and now he's a god, lol. . And one lucky goal from being in the right place at the right time when the other player did all the work is not that impressive. The guy did nothing the whole season. He was with the rest of the team not scoring? Never said he was god, that seems to be Hodgson in your books. Although Kassian is having almost as good of a season as him despite playing on the third line. Not a lucky goal either. If you knew any subtleties of hockey, you would see that he pushed off on the defender like Bertuzzi use to do, freeing himself up for the tap in. Very smart move, by a strong young player. Keep hating though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 The Kassian trade was this team's transition from elite to mediocre. We have a new winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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