Smashian Kassian Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Ok. Luongo is worth more than Schneider. you know what you're getting with Luongo, whereas with Schneider, he hasn't played enough to know how his career is going to turn out. A fair trade for Luongo would be Ovechkin. Both are superstars, have big, long term contracts, which incidently, makes both contracts rather undradable for most teams unless two teams with such contracts come to term; Luongo for Lecavalier, lecavalier for Ovechkin, Ovechkin for Luongo and so on. Conversely, since Schneider's contract is short termed with less money, he is much more marketable than Luongo, though that does not necessarily translate into a better player; just a better, tradable contract. So it is my belief that: Luongo is currently a better bet than Schneider because he has a longer record to prove it; you know what you're getting, Luongo is not as marketable as a trade asset unless another long-term high money contract is the return which, incidently, is usually the signification of a superstar, Schneider is more marketable, due to his lower cap hit and shorter contractual term, thereby compatible with more teams as a tradable commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Luongo = Lecavalier, but not Ovechkin. (Personally I think Luongo > Vinny, but if Vinny can put up 60+ points he is = to Lu most likely) A more accurate comparison of Ovechkins value IMO would be Rinne. He is making a huge amount of cash at a long term deal, and is younger than Luongo. Just like Ovechkin. We should be looking long and hard at making a deal now. This thing has dragged out too long and we could use a quality 2nd/3rd line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckfan85 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Another Laugher from WSH's goaltender of the future. 4 goals on 18 shots, maybe he let that big new contract of his get to his head. Why have players not walked out on George McPhee for refusing to go out and get them a number 1 goaltender??? oh wait, they have, its called losing every game. Jokes on McPhee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrippledCanuck Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I would not be surprised to see the Cnaucks go back to their winning ways without Kesler. I have come to believe that he is an attention hogger, puck hogger, diver; a distraction to the success of this team. i am still not proven right. In time, if indeed the Canucks start winning on a constant basis again without Kesler and start losing again when he comes back, then logic would dictate that he is indeed a distraction to the team as well as an impeding factor in the success of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 My point SmashianKassian is that with Luongo, the Canucks could certainly get a Lecavalier-type player but top rookies and picks are more difficult to attain, whereas with Schneider, the door is open to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laxgoalie Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 [...] Sign Jason Arnott to a 2 year 6 million dollar deal [...] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Since I see that Winnipeg has come back into the discussion, I feel the need to point out that they should be a talking point in a potential Schneider trade over Lu, who I very much doubt would agree to go there even if they were making a play for him. Schneids on the other hand was a big fan favorite with the Moose (basically the same fan-base). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I think this would be the perfect time to load up on centers To Vancouver: Stephen Weiss To Florida: Anton Rodin, Bill Sweatt, 2013 1st To Vancouver: Ryan O'Reilly To Colorado: Keith Ballard, Mason Raymond, 2013 & 2014 2nd (this might need a bit more value) Healthy line up: Sedin - Sedin - Kesler Booth - Weiss - O'Reilly Burrows - Schroeder - Kassian Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen Hamhuis - Bieksa Edler - Garrison Alberts/Barker/Vandermeer - Tanev Schneider Luongo At the draft Luongo and Booth can be traded for prospects and picks (1sts and 2nds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I don't know about that, I think with Luongo young assets are totally attainable, but there are modifications that have to be made with that obviously. I agree, his selfish thing is overrated, all he has been doing is passing and dumping and chasing so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Since I see that Winnipeg has come back into the discussion, I feel the need to point out that they should be a talking point in a potential Schneider trade over Lu, who I very much doubt would agree to go there even if they were making a play for him. Schneids on the other hand was a big fan favorite with the Moose (basically the same fan-base). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Okay I think we need to make a deal, this has dragged on awhile. A have a few propositions: (Added players on our side are for contract reasons) #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Drew Shore + Alex Petrovic + Shawn Mattias + Scottie Upshall Roberto Luongo + Andrew Ebbett + Anton Rodin + Kellan Tochkin - Shore is that 3rd line center that can play now, has Ryan O'Rielly like upside. - Mattias fills Mannys role, good on faceoffs, good defensively, big body that is physical. Aswell has upside. - Petrovic is a nice piece to get, a projected punishing two-way top 4 guy, I really like what he brings - Upshall is the cap dump, since FLA is under tough economic circumstances #2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tyler Bozak + Matt Frattin + Ben Scrivens + 2nd Round Pick + 4th Round Pick Roberto Luongo + Andrew Ebbett + Guillaume Desbiens - Bozak fills the 3C role very nicely - Frattin good player w/ nice upside, can help now but also helps next year when we run into cap issues - Ben Scrivens would be a nice backup. - The 2nd is nice to get, aswell the 4th. (Or the 4th can be used to get a role player, like we have before) #3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marcus Johansson + Dimtry Orlov + Micheal Nuevirth + 2nd Round Pick Roberto Luongo + Kevin Connaution + Andrew Ebbett - Marcus Johansson can be the 3rd liner we need right now, also has nice upside - Orlov loaded w/ offensive talent/upside, can help on the PP if needed, but more-so next year if we move a Dman. - Nuevirth is a solid back-up, the 2nd is also a nice to get with this draft being so deep. - Connaution replaces Orlov for them, aswell evens out the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Again, how do rookies and picks help this core win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Again, how do rookies and picks help this core win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookie Wilson Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Indeed. This card cannot be discarded by all means. WPG Schneider package VAN Byfuglien Just what the doctor ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny_Bohonos_14 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Indeed. This card cannot be discarded by all means. WPG Schneider package VAN Byfuglien Just what the doctor ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookie Wilson Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 1 - Winnipeg just signed Pavelec to a 5 year deal last offseason. Don't see them moving away from him. 2 - Scheinder's worth is at worst equal to Byfuglien. We should not have to included anything to Schneider to get him. 3 - Byfuglien's defense is sub par.. With Enstrom out he has looked less than stellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertuzziJr 2.0 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Okay I think we need to make a deal, this has dragged on awhile. A have a few propositions: (Added players on our side are for contract reasons) #1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Drew Shore + Alex Petrovic + Shawn Mattias + Scottie Upshall Roberto Luongo + Andrew Ebbett + Anton Rodin + Kellan Tochkin - Shore is that 3rd line center that can play now, has Ryan O'Rielly like upside. - Mattias fills Mannys role, good on faceoffs, good defensively, big body that is physical. Aswell has upside. - Petrovic is a nice piece to get, a projected punishing two-way top 4 guy, I really like what he brings - Upshall is the cap dump, since FLA is under tough economic circumstances #2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tyler Bozak + Matt Frattin + Ben Scrivens + 2nd Round Pick + 4th Round Pick Roberto Luongo + Andrew Ebbett + Guillaume Desbiens - Bozak fills the 3C role very nicely - Frattin good player w/ nice upside, can help now but also helps next year when we run into cap issues - Ben Scrivens would be a nice backup. - The 2nd is nice to get, aswell the 4th. (Or the 4th can be used to get a role player, like we have before) #3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marcus Johansson + Dimtry Orlov + Micheal Nuevirth + 2nd Round Pick Roberto Luongo + Kevin Connaution + Andrew Ebbett - Marcus Johansson can be the 3rd liner we need right now, also has nice upside - Orlov loaded w/ offensive talent/upside, can help on the PP if needed, but more-so next year if we move a Dman. - Nuevirth is a solid back-up, the 2nd is also a nice to get with this draft being so deep. - Connaution replaces Orlov for them, aswell evens out the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 I think this would be the perfect time to load up on centers To Vancouver: Stephen Weiss To Florida: Anton Rodin, Bill Sweatt, 2013 1st To Vancouver: Ryan O'Reilly To Colorado: Keith Ballard, Mason Raymond, 2013 & 2014 2nd (this might need a bit more value) Healthy line up: Sedin - Sedin - Kesler Booth - Weiss - O'Reilly Burrows - Schroeder - Kassian Higgins - Lapierre - Hansen Hamhuis - Bieksa Edler - Garrison Alberts/Barker/Vandermeer - Tanev Schneider Luongo At the draft Luongo and Booth can be traded for prospects and picks (1sts and 2nds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 1 - Winnipeg just signed Pavelec to a 5 year deal last offseason. Don't see them moving away from him. 2 - Scheinder's worth is at worst equal to Byfuglien. We should not have to included anything to Schneider to get him. 3 - Byfuglien's defense is sub par.. With Enstrom out he has looked less than stellar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Weiss is the definition of a rental. He is an UFA next year. You don't give 2prospects and a first in a deep draft for 3 months of player who is by all accounts underachieving this year. Most I would pay for him is Sweatt and 3rd. If they want more I would walk away. Keep in mind our cupboards are almost bare. For O'Reilly I still don't see why people want to offer so much. The Avs are asking for a forward and a pick/prospect. Booth/Raymond + Connauton/Schroeder would be more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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