Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 good for you... I'll remember never to trust your word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Off course it was promised... y do u make more of it? U don't sign a guy at four million a year and tell him he's going to be the backup You sign him at four million per year over three years and tell him the other goalie asked for a trade and u r the starter moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 When did Gillis sign Cory? Answer - June 28, 2012. So to keep things in context, because context is (almost) everything.... The NHL and the playersb union, however, are headed for dumbville....uncertaintly hangs over the season, and the players then get locked out. In the interim, dealing Luongo becomes a secondary issue on the backburner. Folks like the Laffs suggest they'd like to dump their junk in exchange for an allstar veteran starter. They head into the CBA hoping the results will be punishment to the teams who have signed backdiving contracts - what they wind up with instead are a couple of amnesty buyouts, and a moderate slap on the wrists for backdivers who must foot backdiving savings in the distant future. Luongo's value holds steady - Mike Gillis looks like he made the right move by not caving to lowballers. However, two things about the end of the lockout complicate a potential deal. The lockout results in a relatively unpredictable cap drop - likely to create a whole lot of mayhem in the coming offseason, and not simply MG will feel the effects of it. The cap aspect doesn't necessarily change the landscape of buyers, who are generally rumoured to be second tier teams, however, the lost revenue does impact the ability of a team like the Panthers to deal, and moreover, the Panthers sustain a rash of vital injuries and are short bodies. Luongo's and his preferred destination have complications. But then Theodore goes down. The Leafs get off to a decent start again, and grow overconfident - they start to call their backup Scrivezina and prematurely pencil themselves into the playoffs. We'll see - there's a lot of hockey to be played, but if anything aids a Leafs playoff berth, it's a short season. Teams like the Islanders and Flyers might become more relevant because of the new CBA, and their relatively opposite fortunes this season. The Canucks have two things that make them hesitate to cut a deal. First, a compact 48 game season and a team that is deep enough to compete for a playoff spot even without their second line being healthy. They get off to a good start patchworking their middle six. Additional complication - Eddie Lack sustains an injury that requires surgery. Any deal for Luongo would require the Canucks spend asset value on a backup. Things change. No one has a crystal ball to foretell all these events. There has been no obvious course to take. Anyone who suggests they know better is full of post-digestive-matter. People who pay attention to detail probably aren't quite as hasty. The injuries to Kesler, Malhotra, and Lack undoubtedly effect what MG is looking for in a return. A lot of other injuries around the league, including to goaltenders - the Canucks fortunate enough to have these two guys healthy. Things could and probably will continue to change. On some levels, waiting at least until the trade deadline approaches has made a lot of sense. Anyone who purports to judge MG's approach do so without knowing the outcome - which is kinda dumb, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 When did Gillis sign Cory? Answer - June 28, 2012. So to keep things in context, because context is (almost) everything.... The NHL and the playersb union, however, are headed for dumbville....uncertaintly hangs over the season, and the players then get locked out. In the interim, dealing Luongo becomes a secondary issue on the backburner. Folks like the Laffs suggest they'd like to dump their junk in exchange for an allstar veteran starter. They head into the CBA hoping the results will be punishment to the teams who have signed backdiving contracts - what they wind up with instead are a couple of amnesty buyouts, and a moderate slap on the wrists for backdivers who must foot backdiving savings in the distant future. Luongo's value holds steady - Mike Gillis looks like he made the right move by not caving to lowballers. However, two things about the end of the lockout complicate a potential deal. The lockout results in a relatively unpredictable cap drop - likely to create a whole lot of mayhem in the coming offseason, and not simply MG will feel the effects of it. The cap aspect doesn't necessarily change the landscape of buyers, who are generally rumoured to be second tier teams, however, the lost revenue does impact the ability of a team like the Panthers to deal, and moreover, the Panthers sustain a rash of vital injuries and are short bodies. Luongo's and his preferred destination have complications. But then Theodore goes down. The Leafs get off to a decent start again, and grow overconfident - they start to call their backup Scrivezina and prematurely pencil themselves into the playoffs. We'll see - there's a lot of hockey to be played, but if anything aids a Leafs playoff berth, it's a short season. Teams like the Islanders and Flyers might become more relevant because of the new CBA, and their relatively opposite fortunes this season. The Canucks have two things that make them hesitate to cut a deal. First, a compact 48 game season and a team that is deep enough to compete for a playoff spot even without their second line being healthy. They get off to a good start patchworking their middle six. Additional complication - Eddie Lack sustains an injury that requires surgery. Any deal for Luongo would require the Canucks spend asset value on a backup. Things change. No one has a crystal ball to foretell all these events. There has been no obvious course to take. Anyone who suggests they know better is full of post-digestive-matter. People who pay attention to detail probably aren't quite as hasty. The injuries to Kesler, Malhotra, and Lack undoubtedly effect what MG is looking for in a return. A lot of other injuries around the league, including to goaltenders - the Canucks fortunate enough to have these two guys healthy. Things could and probably will continue to change. On some levels, waiting at least until the trade deadline approaches has made a lot of sense. Anyone who purports to judge MG's approach do so without knowing the outcome - which is kinda dumb, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Long-time reader, first-time poster here... I am neither a Luongo hater nor a pseudo-hockey fan who can't see what he's brought to this organization, but I'm 100% pro-Schneider. Your ignorance about the game and blind faith in Lou is doing a number on your clarity. Luongo has been, at the very least, a solid playoff performer with good numbers; but true 'money' goaltenders (the Roys, the Haseks, the Belfours, etc.) that are cemented in their franchises' respective histories have found a way to take their game to a level Luongo has never reached (and at this point, may never reach). It's a changing of the guard, simple as that. I'm a goaltender, trained with excellent goalie coaches over the years, and watch the position carefully on a nightly basis. Corey Schneider is among the most technical goaltenders in the league - strong positionally, powerful legs, and plays safe. But, he's not a strict robotic blocking goalie, so although he's not making windmill glove saves quite like Lou, he's still willing to break from his fundamentals to make a desperation save. Not only is he the best goalie in the Canucks organization, he's also the most-level headed when approached by media, and knows that a bad game rests on his shoulders to improve upon. Schneider is the type of goalie any team would dream of having, and although he hasn't accomplished much in his career to date, a win-now team like the Canucks is a perfect place for a star to develop as a starter and turn into a pure winner. Think of it this way: if we have a kid who legitimately makes us question the greatest goalie we've ever had, how is that possibly a bad thing? Lou was our MVP just a few years ago, but he hasn't won when we needed him most... so it's not a knock on him, we just want a cup. Hopefully he finds his elsewhere, but it won't be for Vancouver. Please realize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 That's my point! Gillis made promises to both. So either way..he looks bad/ can't be trusted when negoitating UFA/RFA. He's breaking a promise to one of them.So either way the Press is gonna have a field day with him over that. He also knows he will get eattin alive by the media if this trade doesn't make a major impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 When did Gillis sign Cory? Answer - June 28, 2012. So to keep things in context, because context is (almost) everything.... The NHL and the playersb union, however, are headed for dumbville....uncertaintly hangs over the season, and the players then get locked out. In the interim, dealing Luongo becomes a secondary issue on the backburner. Folks like the Laffs suggest they'd like to dump their junk in exchange for an allstar veteran starter. They head into the CBA hoping the results will be punishment to the teams who have signed backdiving contracts - what they wind up with instead are a couple of amnesty buyouts, and a moderate slap on the wrists for backdivers who must foot backdiving savings in the distant future. Luongo's value holds steady - Mike Gillis looks like he made the right move by not caving to lowballers. However, two things about the end of the lockout complicate a potential deal. The lockout results in a relatively unpredictable cap drop - likely to create a whole lot of mayhem in the coming offseason, and not simply MG will feel the effects of it. The cap aspect doesn't necessarily change the landscape of buyers, who are generally rumoured to be second tier teams, however, the lost revenue does impact the ability of a team like the Panthers to deal, and moreover, the Panthers sustain a rash of vital injuries and are short bodies. Luongo's and his preferred destination have complications. But then Theodore goes down. The Leafs get off to a decent start again, and grow overconfident - they start to call their backup Scrivezina and prematurely pencil themselves into the playoffs. We'll see - there's a lot of hockey to be played, but if anything aids a Leafs playoff berth, it's a short season. Teams like the Islanders and Flyers might become more relevant because of the new CBA, and their relatively opposite fortunes this season. The Canucks have two things that make them hesitate to cut a deal. First, a compact 48 game season and a team that is deep enough to compete for a playoff spot even without their second line being healthy. They get off to a good start patchworking their middle six. Additional complication - Eddie Lack sustains an injury that requires surgery. Any deal for Luongo would require the Canucks spend asset value on a backup. Things change. No one has a crystal ball to foretell all these events. There has been no obvious course to take. Anyone who suggests they know better is full of post-digestive-matter. People who pay attention to detail probably aren't quite as hasty. The injuries to Kesler, Malhotra, and Lack undoubtedly effect what MG is looking for in a return. A lot of other injuries around the league, including to goaltenders - the Canucks fortunate enough to have these two guys healthy. Things could and probably will continue to change. On some levels, waiting at least until the trade deadline approaches has made a lot of sense. Anyone who purports to judge MG's approach do so without knowing the outcome - which is kinda dumb, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Let's look at it another way then since you've conveniently stepped around the first question: please tell me when Gillis has said to Schneider he is now the backup. Ah, so one quote is proof if you read between the lines and the other from the same interview is him taking the high road. That's very selective of you. You did fail, just not at what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 well..thanks for the history lesson... So we got a lot of MG apologists on here... well...can this man do no wrong... MG, if he can't do it no one can.. Can you at least try....'try' to be objective..... Well when the trade is finally made... I hope you won't be defending MG is he doesn't pull off a Blockbuster move that dramatically helps this team to win now. Who am I kidding... you'll defend him no matter what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Did anyone catch the pregame show.. Sounds like gillis has been extremely active. They say he's been calling every team in the league exploring options. Something's brewing, speculate away haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Did anyone catch the pregame show.. Sounds like gillis has been extremely active. They say he's been calling every team in the league exploring options. Something's brewing, speculate away haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 yeah..it's called he is desperate... oldnews...what's your spin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 You are a blowhard and unfortunately for all those on here, like to ear yourself talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Long-time reader, first-time poster here... I am neither a Luongo hater nor a pseudo-hockey fan who can't see what he's brought to this organization, but I'm 100% pro-Schneider. Your ignorance about the game and blind faith in Lou is doing a number on your clarity. Luongo has been, at the very least, a solid playoff performer with good numbers; but true 'money' goaltenders (the Roys, the Haseks, the Belfours, etc.) that are cemented in their franchises' respective histories have found a way to take their game to a level Luongo has never reached (and at this point, may never reach). It's a changing of the guard, simple as that. I'm a goaltender, trained with excellent goalie coaches over the years, and watch the position carefully on a nightly basis. Corey Schneider is among the most technical goaltenders in the league - strong positionally, powerful legs, and plays safe. But, he's not a strict robotic blocking goalie, so although he's not making windmill glove saves quite like Lou, he's still willing to break from his fundamentals to make a desperation save. Not only is he the best goalie in the Canucks organization, he's also the most-level headed when approached by media, and knows that a bad game rests on his shoulders to improve upon. Schneider is the type of goalie any team would dream of having, and although he hasn't accomplished much in his career to date, a win-now team like the Canucks is a perfect place for a star to develop as a starter and turn into a pure winner. Think of it this way: if we have a kid who legitimately makes us question the greatest goalie we've ever had, how is that possibly a bad thing? Lou was our MVP just a few years ago, but he hasn't won when we needed him most... so it's not a knock on him, we just want a cup. Hopefully he finds his elsewhere, but it won't be for Vancouver. Please realize this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Not even just Gillis, I think as a whole the organization looks bad no matter what happens and if u ask me they already look bad. They have just mistreated two star goaltenders... If anyone thinks the organization and mg don't look bad after this, its quite foolish IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 yeah..it's called he is desperate... oldnews...what's your spin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 If you use common sense, it's called less that a month from trade deadline day, smart ass. Every GM in the league is calling around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 there is just no end to the defending of MG... just do it... get a centre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WiDeN Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Bozak is definitely having a great season. I would love to have him. I would rather have Bozak Scrivens and a 1st for Lu though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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