zejono Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Isn't Diaz the player who gave the death pass to his teammate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Don't mind the deal, but a few things: 1) Where does he fit when we're healthy? 2) What's the point of calling of Sauve 3) Prelude of an Edler trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I thought Weise was actually playing ok for his 4th line role. But this probably makes more sense for our team - especially if it sets up moving a guy like Edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naslundfan921 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 As long as we don't give up picks for any rental I'm fine with so given our injuries I'm happy with this trade. Our bottom 6 as people have pointed out is loaded with similar talent so losing Weise isn't a major hit. I doubt an Edler trade is coming until after the break and we see the timetable on return of our other D men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Isn't Diaz the player who gave the death pass to his teammate my god canuck fans can remember everything bad and forget everything good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoner. Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 To everyone sarcastically grilling Gillis for making a "bold move": We've known the Canucks have been trying to trade Weise for weeks. This one just finally came down the pipeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Diaz is an improvement over Weber, and Weise has been arguably our least impressive forward over the past 20 games. I'll take it. Plus we have 9 Olympians now Diaz likely is an improvement on Weber in certain areas but I don't know that he's a clear win when picking between the two. We'll have to see what he does in all areas of the ice before I jump too high. I didn't have any problem with Weise (good points this year, not sure what other depth we have for 4th line RW'ers) but the way both players were seeing the press box, it makes sense from that perspective that there'd be a trade. Just wondering what Diaz brings to the table that Weber doesn't or didn't? Could this be the prelude to an Edler trade? I mentioned that in my previous post that a follow up trade might happen as we get healthy. What I wonder though is how everyone fits together since this gives us too many right side guys, even without including Garrison as a part of that group. Maybe Weber sees more time in the press box again once everyone's healthy, and Garrison is moved back to the left side, so that could mean a trade of a LH defenceman instead. I guess we'll see. I could see Alberts being waived after this. As for the move, solid trade for both teams. Vancouver get's what they want and need and same goes for Montreal. With Weber though, doesn't really make sense to add Diaz in that respect, very similar players. Can't waive Alberts while he's injured. He's a left side guy anyway, so I don't think this impacts him much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 This For this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoner. Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I think the best upside in this trade is probably more playing time for Archibald and/or Lain. Will probably be full time 4th liner next year, AHL stint probably over for 1 of them, maybe both. I was thinking Archibald would be back up after the Olympic break. Lain looks a bit like a deer in the headlights out there a lot of the time, he needs more time in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Weise really had no role on this team. Which is sad, because this team is always criticised for it's lack of size, which he has. If he could ever improve his speed and consistency, he might still develop as a big guy who can put a puck or two in the net, like a poor man's Taylor Pyatt. But I don't blame Torts for showing him the door twice. Hey maybe this means Kassian will have to drop 'em more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I mentioned that in my previous post that a follow up trade might happen as we get healthy. What I wonder though is how everyone fits together since this gives us too many right side guys, even without including Garrison as a part of that group. Maybe Weber sees more time in the press box again once everyone's healthy, and Garrison is moved back to the left side, so that could mean a trade of a LH defenceman instead. I guess we'll see. Tanev or Edler? Tanev or Edler?..we wait and see. I've still got a shiny nickel that Tanev's odd man out unfortunately. He just works on too many levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Classic Buy Low, Sell High move by Gillis. Expiring contract for expiring contract and fills an immediate need, while also potentially facilitating a high profile D-Man trade. Diaz eats up a little more cap, but that should be offset by waiving Alberts to Utica. I like this trade, Dale Weise likely was not being re-signed by the Canucks in the off season. Waiving a player to the farm team doesn't actually alleviate cap space. It still sits on the team's payroll and you're paying an NHL salary for them to play in the AHL - if they're on a one-way contract. If a player is on a two-way contract, you can pay the AHL rate. Regardless, the only time when there's cap relief when you waive someone is when another team picks it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Weise really had no role on this team. Which is sad, because this team is always criticised for it's lack of size, which he has. If he could ever improve his speed and consistency, he might still develop as a big guy who can put a puck or two in the net, like a poor man's Taylor Pyatt. But I don't blame Torts for showing him the door twice. Hey maybe this means Kassian will have to drop 'em more. Weise looked like he didnt have the desire to give it his all evey single shift and thats pretty much the most important thing to have for a 4th liner. Hopefully diaz fits in. Ya never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Ugh, Diaz is another guy who's suffered a major concussion. Hopefully the Canucks take care of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadiangunner Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 I like the fact that there is another GM out there willing to do moves with Gillis. Good to know that Bergervin and Gillis can do a deal and maybe this sets up a bigger move with them over the next few weeks, ala Edler for Pacioretty pow pow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Waiving a player to the farm team doesn't actually alleviate cap space. It still sits on the team's payroll and you're paying an NHL salary for them to play in the AHL - if they're on a one-way contract. If a player is on a two-way contract, you can pay the AHL rate. Regardless, the only time when there's cap relief when you waive someone is when another team picks it up. Alberts falls under the $900k (at $600K) cap relief we would actually get. That said, I'm pretty sure we have space without having to move Alberts anyway especially if we take advantage of LTIR cap relief at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 second time dale has been traded off of tort's team. must be some bad blood between the two Well, he was claimed off waivers by us the first time and the Rangers were quoted as saying it was just a by-product of too many roster players and they hoped he'd clear. He didn't get much of a chance to play under Torts at that point but certainly did this time around. Waiving a player to the farm team doesn't actually alleviate cap space. It still sits on the team's payroll and you're paying an NHL salary for them to play in the AHL - if they're on a one-way contract. If a player is on a two-way contract, you can pay the AHL rate. Regardless, the only time when there's cap relief when you waive someone is when another team picks it up. We can't waive Alberts while he's injured. If once healthy we decide to do so his cap won't affect us at the NHL level any more. His cap hit falls under the $925K limit this year so is fully exempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Waiving a player to the farm team doesn't actually alleviate cap space. It still sits on the team's payroll and you're paying an NHL salary for them to play in the AHL - if they're on a one-way contract. If a player is on a two-way contract, you can pay the AHL rate. Regardless, the only time when there's cap relief when you waive someone is when another team picks it up. Wrong,when a player is sent down their cap hit is reduced by 900k if their salary is less it is just wiped off the cap completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Tanev or Edler? Tanev or Edler?..we wait and see. I've still got a shiny nickel that Tanev's odd man out unfortunately. He just works on too many levels. I've got to agree with you. Tanev, although liked by all, as you said "works on too many levels." Cheap, young, and is playing very well. His return would be higher than his worth at this point. The injury doesn't help, so perhaps it's a draft day trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Waiving a player to the farm team doesn't actually alleviate cap space. It still sits on the team's payroll and you're paying an NHL salary for them to play in the AHL - if they're on a one-way contract. If a player is on a two-way contract, you can pay the AHL rate. Regardless, the only time when there's cap relief when you waive someone is when another team picks it up. Incorrect. One-way contracts only mean the player will still be paid at an NHL rate. However, if a player makes above $900,000, anything in excess of that figure will count against the cap. For example, Booth's cap hit in the minors would be $3,350,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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