wallstreetamigo Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Did you really just say Scrivens and 2 2nds > Matthias and Markstrom? Wow. We would've ended up flipping one of those 2nds for Clowe who we would've lost to free agency, so it really would've been Luongo for Scrivens and a 2nd and anyone with a brain knows that's a laughable offer. Markstrom has more potential than Scrivens and Matthias gives Florida's offer the clear advantage over Toronto's. For a rebuilding team that does not want to go full rebuild (as the Canucks are apparently not wanting to do)? Yes. It is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Did you really just say Scrivens and 2 2nds > Matthias and Markstrom? Wow. We would've ended up flipping one of those 2nds for Clowe who we would've lost to free agency, so it really would've been Luongo for Scrivens and a 2nd and anyone with a brain knows that's a laughable offer. Markstrom has more potential than Scrivens and Matthias gives Florida's offer the clear advantage over Toronto's. Or we could have held onto those picks and used them to draft good players. I mean, other GM's and even Gillis has found good young players later in the draft. I love Mattias though. Markstrom is living on reputation at this point. His confidence looks shot not to mention his knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I would rather still have Schneider in net so the real opportunity cost is hanging onto Luongo too long and losing Schneider as a result. Not to mention the circus sideshow we had for two years as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 This is the Gillis record:2013 #9 Hunter and #24 Shinkaruk (both first round picks and not NHL players)2012 #26 Gaunce(1st round pick)-not an NHL player2011 #29 Jensen (1st round pick)2010 No NHL players2009 #22 Schroeder (1st round pick) and #83 Connauton (played NHL games for Dallas in Roy trade)2008 #9 Hodgson (1st round pick)Six first round picks in six drafts.38 players selected over six drafts.4 picks playing in the NHL.This record pales in comparison to successful organizations records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownky Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 This is the Gillis record:2013 #9 Hunter and #24 Shinkaruk (both first round picks and not NHL players)2012 #26 Gaunce(1st round pick)-not an NHL player2011 #29 Jensen (1st round pick)2010 No NHL players2009 #22 Schroeder (1st round pick) and #83 Connauton (played NHL games for Dallas in Roy trade)2008 #9 Hodgson (1st round pick)Six first round picks in six drafts.38 players selected over six drafts.4 picks playing in the NHL.This record pales in comparison to successful organizations records.I think for #9 you mean Horvat Unless you think Hunter is worth two firsts haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Year six of Gillis and the team is losing to last place Buffalo,out of the playoff race and about to end up with their worst record since Keenan and Messier jettisoned Trevor. Bring out the party balloons. Good to see you're optimistic as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Year six of Gillis and the team is losing to last place Buffalo,out of the playoff race and about to end up with their worst record since Keenan and Messier jettisoned Trevor. Bring out the party balloons. I hope you had the balloons ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 This is the Gillis record: 2013 #9 Hunter and #24 Shinkaruk (both first round picks and not NHL players) 2012 #26 Gaunce(1st round pick)-not an NHL player 2011 #29 Jensen (1st round pick) 2010 No NHL players 2009 #22 Schroeder (1st round pick) and #83 Connauton (played NHL games for Dallas in Roy trade) 2008 #9 Hodgson (1st round pick) Six first round picks in six drafts. 38 players selected over six drafts. 4 picks playing in the NHL. This record pales in comparison to successful organizations records. How about an actual comparison to those successful organizations? Talk is cheap and I wouldn't take your word on anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 This is the Gillis record: 2013 #9 Hunter and #24 Shinkaruk (both first round picks and not NHL players) 2012 #26 Gaunce(1st round pick)-not an NHL player 2011 #29 Jensen (1st round pick) 2010 No NHL players 2009 #22 Schroeder (1st round pick) and #83 Connauton (played NHL games for Dallas in Roy trade) 2008 #9 Hodgson (1st round pick) Six first round picks in six drafts. 38 players selected over six drafts. 4 picks playing in the NHL. This record pales in comparison to successful organizations records. If Jensen becomes the player he is trending to be right now..that is an absolute steal at 29th overall in the draft..Same with Kassian (more even strength goals this year than Coho). MG ability to find and sign undrafted players (Lack,Tanev)...basically the same premise as drafting them. Maybe you forgot about Patrick White?...now that's bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 I don't understand that we should keep Gillis because he is better than Nonis. I mean, that doesn't make any sense. Who cares about Nonis and what he did or didn't do here? Gillis kept most of the guys from Burke/Nonis anyway. We don't need a GM who can add bottom 6 pieces and prospects to a core. We need a GM who can build a new core over time. Gillis has not shown any ability to do that unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Kassian just saved Mikes job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheXFactor Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Schneider - 1st = Horvat. Schneider was worth WAY more than just a 1st. Whats done is done but if Gillis handled the situation better I think he easily could have gotten more than just a 1st round pick. Also I think a lot of the flack Gillis is getting is because he couldn't or wouldn't get some of the pieces we needed. We STILL don't have a top 6 winger for Kesler and now its looking more likely that we simply might wait to develop that winger instead of acquiring one. Jensen is likely to play wing with Kesler when Danky comes back. A lot of the fans have also been craving for a puck-moving D which we haven't had since Ehrhoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 We no longer need a winger for Kesler...we need a replacement. At the very least a replacement that can spell off some of the minutes. Horvat maybe? Maybe give Kess more days off? Give all the lines minutes. Share the work load. Bottom line stay healthy. Work the players hard off the ice and give them minutes but use your subs and youngsters to fill in and give players more days off to heal and rest. Then we can say we have depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Mike Gilles is sleeping like a baby tonight. Mike is going nowhere for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Horvat, Mattias, Markstrom for Luongo and Schneider? Would any GM in the league have done this deal two years ago? Luongo and Schneider were two of the biggest reasons this team went anywhere the past few years. Everything else has been eerily similar. Lack of primary and secondary scoring at the same time, porous defence, lack of mental toughness, no adjustment to strategy, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Horvat, Mattias, Markstrom for Luongo and Schneider? Would any GM in the league have done this deal two years ago? Luongo and Schneider were two of the biggest reasons this team went anywhere the past few years. Everything else has been eerily similar. Lack of primary and secondary scoring at the same time, porous defence, lack of mental toughness, no adjustment to strategy, etc. You're not taking into account Luongos salary that we are being relieved of.. Schneider,Luongo,$800K For Horvat,Matthias,Markstrom,$7m available cap space Something like that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 You're not taking into account Luongos salary that we are being relieved of.. Schneider,Luongo,$800K For Horvat,Matthias,Markstrom,$7m available cap space Something like that.. It is a non starter unless the Canucks use it to actually fill the right holes though which Gillis has been unable to do even when he does have major cap space. The only thing that scares me more than Gillis is Gillis with cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 It is a non starter unless the Canucks use it to actually fill the right holes though which Gillis has been unable to do even when he does have major cap space. The only thing that scares me more than Gillis is Gillis with cap space. It is a wait and see..a lot also depends on how Horvat pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 All Gillis had to do was get a winger for the second line when Samuelsson left and he has failed to do it.To make matters worse he signed a multiple brain injured player for four years and $19m dollars.That loss of cap space ,along with the Ballard loss of cap space,effectively shut down the team core window.Could have signed anybody in the league for the second line,made an offer sheet proposal,conducted a trade.......and he signed Booth.The team gave him cap space and the owner gave him cap space and he blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfruits Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 All Gillis had to do was get a winger for the second line when Samuelsson left and he has failed to do it. To make matters worse he signed a multiple brain injured player for four years and $19m dollars. That loss of cap space ,along with the Ballard loss of cap space,effectively shut down the team core window. Could have signed anybody in the league for the second line,made an offer sheet proposal,conducted a trade....... and he signed Booth. The team gave him cap space and the owner gave him cap space and he blew it. Booth wasn't signed by the Canucks you lose all credibility boom drop the mic oh and Gillis has done more for this team in his short tenure than the previous two brainless GM's in Burke and Nonis ya Nonis got Luongo in a cap dump and Burke got the Sedins in a brutal trade at the draft but they failed to build a team to reach the finals Gillis for the bad trades and signings he brought this team to 1 win from a Cup better than any of the previous GM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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