WiDeN Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 So your telling me Jordan Subban has a chance to be 6'1 210 lbs? That's his dad's height. Ask Chris Tanev about growth spurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 http://www.mynhldraft.com/ Checkout previous draft results you can only go back as far as 2006 for the height and weight of players see if you can make a list of European forwards drafted in the first round that are around Ehlers size that have become stars or are playing in the top 6 on an NHL club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I loved watching Pavel Bure when he was a Canuck. No one that has entered the NHL looks more like Pavel on the ice than Ehlers. Not saying Ehlers can be Bure, but Bure Light would be entertaining and no doubt make the Canucks competitive again. I like Ehlers and if we did pick him I would be ok with that even though id rather have Ritchie... but if he was comparable to Bure he would go first overall not 5-10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrago Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Ehlers looks like an exciting player. I don't know if he will be able to play his game in the NHL but if he can and we draft him, he sure looks like a fun player to watch and IMO we haven't had anyone truly fun to watch since Bertuzzi. The Sedins are extremely skilled players but but after a decade of watching pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, shoot, pass, pass, pass, score. I would love to watch someone with break away speed who actually has a chance to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I loved watching Pavel Bure when he was a Canuck. No one that has entered the NHL looks more like Pavel on the ice than Ehlers. Not saying Ehlers can be Bure, but Bure Light would be entertaining and no doubt make the Canucks competitive again.Good God. Let it end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Its probably already been said but Ehlers reminds me of Haglin from the rangers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 That highlight pack was pretty sick, guy creates a lot of offense on his own, and he moves so smartly in the offensive zone. There's one play where he drops the puck off and cuts to the middle going back toward the blue line then makes a quick shift and loses his defender right as he enters the slot, puck comes back to him and he puts it home. He's going to need to continually think the game at that crafty level if he wants to succeed in the NHL against bigger better D men. I think he can do it though. First year in NA and it looks like he's been playing here his whole life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knucklehd Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 ... The Canucks were so excited about that award that they proceeded to pass on Jagr to pick him. That's okay though. They made up for it when they picked up Shawn Antoski instead of Keith Tkachuk and Martin Brodeur, who were the following 2 picks. Mother of God I hope Benning changes this ongoing tragedy that is the Vancouver Canucks' drafting. It really hurts when you read information like that...oh what could have been! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Its probably already been said but Ehlers reminds me of Haglin from the rangers... Hagelin is notr as fast nor as skilled. He was a 6th round draft pick. No matter how much one hates Ehlers as a prospect, he will never fall below 13th overall. Hes almost exactly the same size though. 5ft 11 176 pounds although Ehlers is going to top out at 6ft and about 185 -190 when he is Hagelins age (26) . What I find in common about them is how feisty Hagelin is. That boy is not afraid of dry @#$. He goes to the dirty areas, crashes the net. If Ehlers can match his intensity, Canuck nation will be very pleased. His skill set is a tweener. Light second liner good energy guy. He definitely is a fan favorite of the Rangers. Could put up 20 goals and 45 points if he gets into a good situation and more PP time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I like Ehlers and if we did pick him I would be ok with that even though id rather have Ritchie... but if he was comparable to Bure he would go first overall not 5-10th. He doesnt have the shot that Bure had. Ehlers had 49 goals mind you . Hes not chopped liver. To be fair I dont think Ehlers is as fast as Bure but he is almost as fast, and the way he zips up the ice cutting across any angle he chooses is Bure like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Hagelin is notr as fast nor as skilled. He was a 6th round draft pick. No matter how much one hates Ehlers as a prospect, he will never fall below 13th overall. Hes almost exactly the same size though. 5ft 11 176 pounds although Ehlers is going to top out at 6ft and about 185 -190 when he is Hagelins age (26) . What I find in common about them is how feisty Hagelin is. That boy is not afraid of dry @#$. He goes to the dirty areas, crashes the net. If Ehlers can match his intensity, Canuck nation will be very pleased. His skill set is a tweener. Light second liner good energy guy. He definitely is a fan favorite of the Rangers. Could put up 20 goals and 45 points if he gets into a good situation and more PP time. I don't understand why people compare players that are the same size and determine that they will only be that good because they weigh that much or are as tall as another player. Players have different skill sets and attributes now matter what their size and weight. Joe Thorton and Tom Sestito are the same size should we compare them? Yes they are the same height and weight approx, but Joe is much more skilled and talented. Ehlers and Hagelin are the same height and weight, but you can easily see that Nikolaj has more skill and see's the ice better. Ehlers also has more room to grow biologically and skill wise. If you wanna compare skill and other attributes Ehlers is closer to a more feisty version of Gaborik that isn't afraid to go into the corners IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 http://www.mynhldraft.com/ Checkout previous draft results you can only go back as far as 2006 for the height and weight of players see if you can make a list of European forwards drafted in the first round that are around Ehlers size that have become stars or are playing in the top 6 on an NHL club. Here are Ehlers most updated stats Ehlers is 5ft11 3/4 and 176 pounds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaj_Ehlers There were few comparables who busted . Filatov Burmistrov Cherpanov The first are Russian and never played juniors here. Whatever the scouts saw in them must have been on good faith because there was no way to compare it to our juniors. They seem to have an easier time adjusting when they come from the SEL. Here are the others: Jackub Voracek. He went the same route as Ehlers has now. He is listed as 6ft 1 and 188 pounds when drafted. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2007-NHL-Mock-Draft Nick Backstrom was listed as 6ft 180 when drafted so is virtually identical http://www.mynhldraft.com/2006 Frolik was from the same draft as Backstrom and he was listed as 6ft1 and 187 again, an inch taller and 11 pounds heavier but still in the range. Mikkel Boedker is also from Denmark and was listed as 5ft 11 but an eye popping 200 lbs so even though he is an inch shorter his stockiness would put him in another class. Oliver EkmanLarsson was drafted in 2009 at a modest 6ft and 165 pounds. MPS was drafted by the Oilers 10th in the same draft. He was only 6ft1 and 187 then. An inch taller and a little heavier. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2009/round1 Mikkel Grandlund was listed at 5ft 10 and 180 pounds. Two inches shorter but we should include him. He just put up 41 points in 63 games. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2010/round1 Mikeal Zibanejad was listed as 6ft 1 and 183. Inch taller and a few pounds more http://www.mynhldraft.com/2011/round1 Yakupov is only 5ft 11 and 188 pounds but he played a year in the CHL . He might be sucking right now but he still a high end talent. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2012-NHL-draft-results/round-1 Elias Lindholm is also 6ft but he is 190 so we are getting too stocky to be included. So to sum up : Three busts - Burmistrov, Filatov Cherpanov ........all Russians who played in Russia for the junior careers. The rest Vorack, Backstrom, Boedekker OEL Granlund, Zibanejad, Yakupov Its up to you to decide if these are 'busts' or not. This of course is based soley on their size and their draft position. Not their talent. Note; Erik Karlsson was 5ft 11 and 155 pounds when he was drafted, but he didnt go until 15th. I would suspect his size was the reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 I don't understand why people compare players that are the same size and determine that they will only be that good because they weigh that much or are as tall as another player. Players have different skill sets and attributes now matter what their size and weight. Joe Thorton and Tom Sestito are the same size should we compare them? Yes they are the same height and weight approx, but Joe is much more skilled and talented. Ehlers and Hagelin are the same height and weight, but you can easily see that Nikolaj has more skill and see's the ice better. Ehlers also has more room to grow biologically and skill wise. If you wanna compare skill and other attributes Ehlers is closer to a more feisty version of Gaborik that isn't afraid to go into the corners IMO. Because its the only real way they think they can attack him as a prospect. So they 'frame' all their arguments around it. Check out my post above this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder__Bread Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 He doesnt have the shot that Bure had. Ehlers had 49 goals mind you . Hes not chopped liver. To be fair I dont think Ehlers is as fast as Bure but he is almost as fast, and the way he zips up the ice cutting across any angle he chooses is Bure like. I disagree. Ehlers has a heavy and accurate wrist shot. What's bad about Ehlers shot is that his release isn't as quick as say a Ritchie or a Virtanen. His wrist shots are like Ovechkin, he basically loads them up which makes them a bit predictable but he's so fast and shifty that it makes up for the time lost loading up his shot. That's what he needs to improve on among many things, his release needs to be quicker. What I don't see in Ehlers that I saw in Bure is the creativity 1 on 1. Bure could completely undress players and goalies at TOP speed. Bure had hands and creativity like Datsyuk. Ehlers does have creative moments and he does have some silky hands but it's just not to the level of a Bure or a Datstyuk. More to the level of a Duchene (and just for you nitpickers I'm not comparing Ehlers to Duchene, just saying that they have similar creativity and hands). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Here are Ehlers most updated stats Ehlers is 5ft11 3/4 and 176 pounds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolaj_Ehlers There were few comparables who busted . Filatov Burmistrov Cherpanov The first are Russian and never played juniors here. Whatever the scouts saw in them must have been on good faith because there was no way to compare it to our juniors. They seem to have an easier time adjusting when they come from the SEL. Here are the others: Jackub Voracek. He went the same route as Ehlers has now. He is listed as 6ft 1 and 188 pounds when drafted. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2007-NHL-Mock-Draft Nick Backstrom was listed as 6ft 180 when drafted so is virtually identical http://www.mynhldraft.com/2006 Frolik was from the same draft as Backstrom and he was listed as 6ft1 and 187 again, an inch taller and 11 pounds heavier but still in the range. Mikkel Boedker is also from Denmark and was listed as 5ft 11 but an eye popping 200 lbs so even though he is an inch shorter his stockiness would put him in another class. Oliver EkmanLarsson was drafted in 2009 at a modest 6ft and 165 pounds. MPS was drafted by the Oilers 10th in the same draft. He was only 6ft1 and 187 then. An inch taller and a little heavier. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2009/round1 Mikkel Grandlund was listed at 5ft 10 and 180 pounds. Two inches shorter but we should include him. He just put up 41 points in 63 games. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2010/round1 Mikeal Zibanejad was listed as 6ft 1 and 183. Inch taller and a few pounds more http://www.mynhldraft.com/2011/round1 Yakupov is only 5ft 11 and 188 pounds but he played a year in the CHL . He might be sucking right now but he still a high end talent. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2012-NHL-draft-results/round-1 Elias Lindholm is also 6ft but he is 190 so we are getting too stocky to be included. So to sum up : Three busts - Burmistrov, Filatov Cherpanov ........all Russians who played in Russia for the junior careers. The rest Vorack, Backstrom, Boedekker OEL Granlund, Zibanejad, Yakupov Its up to you to decide if these are 'busts' or not. This of course is based soley on their size and their draft position. Not their talent. Note; Erik Karlsson was 5ft 11 and 155 pounds when he was drafted, but he didnt go until 15th. I would suspect his size was the reasoning. Cherepanov was not a bust. He was an unreal talent and had all the tools to be a top 10 offensive player in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Because its the only real way they think they can attack him as a prospect. So they 'frame' all their arguments around it. Check out my post above this one. Im not attacking him, where did I ever say that? All I said is that they play the same style. Ehlers might turn out to be light years better then Haglin, but they look a lot alike in the way they play. Im not blind and thats what I see. He might be a faster and more skilled version but they remind me a lot of each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Cherepanov was not a bust. He was an unreal talent and had all the tools to be a top 10 offensive player in this league. No kidding. He was right on target to be as dangerous or better than Kuznetsov playing against men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Im not attacking him, where did I ever say that? All I said is that they play the same style. Ehlers might turn out to be light years better then Haglin, but they look a lot alike in the way they play. Im not blind and thats what I see. He might be a faster and more skilled version but they remind me a lot of each other. By the same token I was apparently 'attacking' Ehlers by comparing him to Hemsky and having some reservations about him as a prospect. I, for one, have never criticized a single in of these prospects in the conversation for the top 10 but it doesn't stop certain posters from misconstruing statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 If he falls and we pick Draisaitl, we are going to have the slowest forwards in the league in the next couple of years lol. Sedins, Gaunce, Draisaitl, Horvat are all pretty slow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S N Y P E R S 7 Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share Posted May 28, 2014 If he falls and we pick Draisaitl, we are going to have the slowest forwards in the league in the next couple of years lol. Sedins, Gaunce, Draisaitl, Horvat are all pretty slow.... shoulda picked Ehlers. fastest player in the CHL according to some scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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