[RUMOUR] Canucks discussing Horvat trade?

[apollo]

I'd definitely trade him in a package for a proven player... Kane or Johansen or a #1 dman

[2SKATES1STICK]

why not. Everyone around here considers evander Kane a 35 goal scorer.

Kane thinks he's a 50 goal scorer lol

[KassianBeastMode]

Kane thinks he's a 50 goal scorer lol

and a gangsta rap star! bling bling vegas baby

[Canuck Surfer]

Horvat for Derek Pouliot.

[KassianBeastMode]

anyone else on this site play nhl15?

[JeremyCuddles]

anyone else on this site play nhl15?

Can't say I do, why is it bad?

[oldnews]

I'll find logic when we start winning again? I suppose I'm glad you guys take comfort in something.

Honestly can't be bothered to engage with all that. Expecting that Kassian was going to make the team win to this point is just plain silly expectations - as would expecting that Hodgson would have made a difference.

You'll need to pin your prayers on a different saviour.

[KassianBeastMode]

Can't say I do, why is it bad?

sarcasm....given the constant posts about trading our prospects, signing cancers for 18 players in return etc etc

[JeremyCuddles]

sarcasm....given the constant posts about trading our prospects, signing cancers for 18 players in return etc etc

I was making fun of the game itself. We had some synergy there.

[The Listening]

He was a prospect when we acquired him in Feb 2012. We very seriously needed a live big NHL bodied, 2knd line right winger at that time. Because that role, and several others, were left vacated by Gillis we started our decline.

That's on Gillis, not Kassian.

He's been an NHL regular for 2 years, but not as an established effective player. Kassian, for me, arrived give or take 2/3rds the way through last year? At that as a 3rd liner, now ready (IMO) to be a 2knd liner. We were already realistically out of the play off race.

Now that Kassian appears to be ready, also coinciding with plugging some of those other holes, we will finally halt our slide? Also just my opinion.

Those holes? I do believe we will start heading in the right direction again now. Because Kassian is ready. Because Vey, Mathias, Horvat and Richardson will fight for a 3rd line centre role. One will emerge as a difference maker. Because if Richardson loses that battle, he is at worst one of the best 4th liners centres in the league. So we have depth at pivot even if no one appears to be a Kesler. Because Vrbata has arrived, now Hansen and Burrows are pushed down a line as well? And we have also added Dorsett. So we have depth on wing. Because we added Miller. We have depth in goal. With all that improved depth, we should be able to craft enough positive match ups to be competitive for a play off spot.

After the halt is confirmed, the next fight will be to get one or two of the young guys up to a dynamic level. Get Shinkaruk or Virtanen (or Kassian, or Jensen) potting 30 or 40 goals. Get one or two of Horvat, McCann, Gaunce or Cassells up to speed as a match up centre. There is depth there even at the prospect level. Once some dynamic players are established in the longer term, we might be true contenders again?

But to do that we further will need some dynamic young defenders. And some depth on D. Neither of which we really have already. We have some prospects. Tryamkin, Hutton, Subban are a chance? But long shots really. And certainly wont be available right away. I'd only bet on one plus Corrado emerging. Because we have NHL and prospect depth at centre and back on topic...

I could see a Horvat being dangled for a good young defender!

I would quote this 100 times if I could.

[oldnews]

In our 10 game losing streak his only fight was in the Calgary line brawl. And he got repeated mis-conducts chirping and getting drawn into stupid penalties. Putting our team in holes and taking where he was in the box and we got scored on and games got out of hand.

This is exactly the kind of slanted crap that makes me wonder whether you ever clean your glasses Surfer. You are trying way too hard as usual to make a case that just doesn't bear out in reality.

Kassian went 17 straight games last year without taking a single penalty minute. He had another 8 game stretch, two 6 game stretches, another two 5 game stretches where he didn't take a single penalty minute.

In fact, there were only two times over the entire season where he took penalties in back to back games.

Once in the Toronto game he dominated, where he injured Bolland, but also scored a goal and intimidated the hell out of the Leafs and Phaneuf - he took one minor penalty the next game against Phoenix.

The other was in that stretch where Tortorella lost absolute control. That four game stretch included the first game, one in LA, where the KIngs had notoriously taken liberties - running Luongo, Daniel....Would you prefer a shrinking violet lol? You're whining about an instance where Kassian takes a misconduct and at the same time draws Willie Mitchell off the ice with one? The Canucks lost that game 1-0. Where does this ridiculous story of Kassian causing games to get out of hand come from? Your imagination. Give it a rest - your campaign has gotten downright silly. The next game, a 9-1 loss, Kassian took a misconduct in the third period when it was 8-1 lol (at the same time as 5 other players received one) , and had no penalties leading to pp goals against. The next game he took one minor penalty against Phoenix. He served a too-many men minor and took an inconsequential hooking minor in the third period of a 1-0 loss, a game they trailed in the 1st period. The last game of that four game stretch was Tortorella's infamous meltdown, something Kassian had nothing to do with, a game they won 3-2 in the end.

In other words, your entire storyline is sheer and utter b.s. without a hint let alone the trend you are fabricating.

Kassian was very well composed last year - picked his spots very intelligently, and for a player that is expected to step up and provide a measure of deterrence or intimidation, did precisely that on many occasions, in an impressively calculated fashion, particularly for such a young power forward who is also highly talented and for whom balancing those elements is important.

You should just give it up CS and get off the young guy's back - you seldom make a reasonable case, and in this case, his relative discipline last year was actually very consistent and pretty damn impressive.

In addition, what also tends to be forgotten is the situational use that Tortorella was so stuck on. His bullcrap contradiction about not letting players who weren't fully developed into the top 6 was made a mockery with his use of Jensen. The other part of that ridiculous contradiction - counter-sheltering a young forward that you maintain needs to develop his defensive game sending him out for a mere 43% offensive zone starts. That only makes his offensive production more impressive, and the myth of his lack of defensive development that more obvious - his corsi on was +1.41 despite the d zone starts. Moreover, Kassian played the entire season with a guy who simply could not finish. Kassian spoon fed Booth all year long with his patented beautiful feeds,, while Booth went into the last 10 games with 5 goals, (and 'padded' his total to a mere 9 in the end). Had Kassian played with a guy who could hit the net, he'd have easily been in the range of 40 points - as a third liner playing less than 13 minutes a night. You've been wrong about him all along, and seem determined to remain so.

[tybarber]

This is exactly the kind of slanted crap that makes me wonder whether you ever clean your glasses Surfer. You are trying way too hard as usual to make a case that just doesn't bear out in reality.

Kassian went 17 straight games last year without taking a single penalty minute. He had another 8 game stretch, two 6 game stretches, another two 5 game stretches where he didn't take a single penalty minute.

In fact, there were only two times over the entire season where he took penalties in back to back games.

Once in the Toronto game he dominated, where he injured Bolland, but also scored a goal and intimidated the hell out of the Leafs and Phaneuf - he took one minor penalty the next game against Phoenix.

The other was in that stretch where Tortorella lost absolute control. That four game stretch included the first game, one in LA, where the KIngs had notoriously taken liberties - running Luongo, Daniel....Would you prefer a shrinking violet lol? You're whining about an instance where Kassian takes a misconduct and at the same time draws Willie Mitchell off the ice with one? The Canucks lost that game 1-0. Where does this ridiculous story of Kassian causing games to get out of hand come from? Your imagination. Give it a rest - your campaign has gotten downright silly. The next game, a 9-1 loss, Kassian took a misconduct in the third period when it was 8-1 lol (at the same time as 5 other players received one) , and had no penalties leading to pp goals against. The next game he took one minor penalty against Phoenix. He served a too-many men minor and took an inconsequential hooking minor in the third period of a 1-0 loss, a game they trailed in the 1st period. The last game of that four game stretch was Tortorella's infamous meltdown, something Kassian had nothing to do with, a game they won 3-2 in the end.

In other words, your entire storyline is sheer and utter b.s. without a hint let alone the trend you are fabricating.

Kassian was very well composed last year - picked his spots very intelligently, and for a player that is expected to step up and provide a measure of deterrence or intimidation, did precisely that on many occasions, in an impressively calculated fashion, particularly for such a young power forward who is also highly talented and for whom balancing those elements is important.

You should just give it up CS and get off the young guy's back - you seldom make a reasonable case, and in this case, his relative discipline last year was actually very consistent and pretty damn impressive.

In addition, what also tends to be forgotten is the situational use that Tortorella was so stuck on. His bullcrap contradiction about not letting players who weren't fully developed into the top 6 was made a mockery with his use of Jensen. The other part of that ridiculous contradiction - counter-sheltering a young forward that you maintain needs to develop his defensive game sending him out for a mere 43% offensive zone starts. That only makes his offensive production more impressive, and the myth of his lack of defensive development that more obvious - his corsi on was +1.41 despite the d zone starts. Moreover, Kassian played the entire season with a guy who simply could not finish. Kassian spoon fed Booth all year long with his patented beautiful feeds,, while Booth went into the last 10 games with 5 goals, (and 'padded' his total to a mere 9 in the end). Had Kassian played with a guy who could hit the net, he'd have easily been in the range of 40 points - as a third liner playing less than 13 minutes a night. You've been wrong about him all along, and seem determined to remain so.

Could not agree more. To add to your argument about Kassian's offensive production, if it hasn't already been done, he was tied for third on the team with Santorelli for pts/60 min (1.85) behind only Daniel (1.88) and Henrik (2.07). Which, like you mentioned, could have been higher had Booth finished how ever many chances he gave him.

[Me_]

This is exactly the kind of slanted crap that makes me wonder whether you ever clean your glasses Surfer. You are trying way too hard as usual to make a case that just doesn't bear out in reality.

Kassian went 17 straight games last year without taking a single penalty minute. He had another 8 game stretch, two 6 game stretches, another two 5 game stretches where he didn't take a single penalty minute.

In fact, there were only two times over the entire season where he took penalties in back to back games.

Once in the Toronto game he dominated, where he injured Bolland, but also scored a goal and intimidated the hell out of the Leafs and Phaneuf - he took one minor penalty the next game against Phoenix.

The other was in that stretch where Tortorella lost absolute control. That four game stretch included the first game, one in LA, where the KIngs had notoriously taken liberties - running Luongo, Daniel....Would you prefer a shrinking violet lol? You're whining about an instance where Kassian takes a misconduct and at the same time draws Willie Mitchell off the ice with one? The Canucks lost that game 1-0. Where does this ridiculous story of Kassian causing games to get out of hand come from? Your imagination. Give it a rest - your campaign has gotten downright silly. The next game, a 9-1 loss, Kassian took a misconduct in the third period when it was 8-1 lol (at the same time as 5 other players received one) , and had no penalties leading to pp goals against. The next game he took one minor penalty against Phoenix. He served a too-many men minor and took an inconsequential hooking minor in the third period of a 1-0 loss, a game they trailed in the 1st period. The last game of that four game stretch was Tortorella's infamous meltdown, something Kassian had nothing to do with, a game they won 3-2 in the end.

In other words, your entire storyline is sheer and utter b.s. without a hint let alone the trend you are fabricating.

Kassian was very well composed last year - picked his spots very intelligently, and for a player that is expected to step up and provide a measure of deterrence or intimidation, did precisely that on many occasions, in an impressively calculated fashion, particularly for such a young power forward who is also highly talented and for whom balancing those elements is important.

You should just give it up CS and get off the young guy's back - you seldom make a reasonable case, and in this case, his relative discipline last year was actually very consistent and pretty damn impressive.

In addition, what also tends to be forgotten is the situational use that Tortorella was so stuck on. His bullcrap contradiction about not letting players who weren't fully developed into the top 6 was made a mockery with his use of Jensen. The other part of that ridiculous contradiction - counter-sheltering a young forward that you maintain needs to develop his defensive game sending him out for a mere 43% offensive zone starts. That only makes his offensive production more impressive, and the myth of his lack of defensive development that more obvious - his corsi on was +1.41 despite the d zone starts. Moreover, Kassian played the entire season with a guy who simply could not finish. Kassian spoon fed Booth all year long with his patented beautiful feeds,, while Booth went into the last 10 games with 5 goals, (and 'padded' his total to a mere 9 in the end). Had Kassian played with a guy who could hit the net, he'd have easily been in the range of 40 points - as a third liner playing less than 13 minutes a night. You've been wrong about him all along, and seem determined to remain so.

Excellent post oldnews.

[UFCanuck]

[Rumour]Canucks discussing Vrbata trade.

[aqua59]

I watched COHO play a game against the Leafs about a week ago. For get size. How about speed? Hodgsons speed isn't there but Kassians speed and size are in Vancouver. Of course there's all kinds of people giving up on Kassian for the up coming season. The sky is falling group.

[Warhippy]

This is exactly the kind of slanted crap that makes me wonder whether you ever clean your glasses Surfer. You are trying way too hard as usual to make a case that just doesn't bear out in reality.

Kassian went 17 straight games last year without taking a single penalty minute. He had another 8 game stretch, two 6 game stretches, another two 5 game stretches where he didn't take a single penalty minute.

In fact, there were only two times over the entire season where he took penalties in back to back games.

Once in the Toronto game he dominated, where he injured Bolland, but also scored a goal and intimidated the hell out of the Leafs and Phaneuf - he took one minor penalty the next game against Phoenix.

The other was in that stretch where Tortorella lost absolute control. That four game stretch included the first game, one in LA, where the KIngs had notoriously taken liberties - running Luongo, Daniel....Would you prefer a shrinking violet lol? You're whining about an instance where Kassian takes a misconduct and at the same time draws Willie Mitchell off the ice with one? The Canucks lost that game 1-0. Where does this ridiculous story of Kassian causing games to get out of hand come from? Your imagination. Give it a rest - your campaign has gotten downright silly. The next game, a 9-1 loss, Kassian took a misconduct in the third period when it was 8-1 lol (at the same time as 5 other players received one) , and had no penalties leading to pp goals against. The next game he took one minor penalty against Phoenix. He served a too-many men minor and took an inconsequential hooking minor in the third period of a 1-0 loss, a game they trailed in the 1st period. The last game of that four game stretch was Tortorella's infamous meltdown, something Kassian had nothing to do with, a game they won 3-2 in the end.

In other words, your entire storyline is sheer and utter b.s. without a hint let alone the trend you are fabricating.

Kassian was very well composed last year - picked his spots very intelligently, and for a player that is expected to step up and provide a measure of deterrence or intimidation, did precisely that on many occasions, in an impressively calculated fashion, particularly for such a young power forward who is also highly talented and for whom balancing those elements is important.

You should just give it up CS and get off the young guy's back - you seldom make a reasonable case, and in this case, his relative discipline last year was actually very consistent and pretty damn impressive.

In addition, what also tends to be forgotten is the situational use that Tortorella was so stuck on. His bullcrap contradiction about not letting players who weren't fully developed into the top 6 was made a mockery with his use of Jensen. The other part of that ridiculous contradiction - counter-sheltering a young forward that you maintain needs to develop his defensive game sending him out for a mere 43% offensive zone starts. That only makes his offensive production more impressive, and the myth of his lack of defensive development that more obvious - his corsi on was +1.41 despite the d zone starts. Moreover, Kassian played the entire season with a guy who simply could not finish. Kassian spoon fed Booth all year long with his patented beautiful feeds,, while Booth went into the last 10 games with 5 goals, (and 'padded' his total to a mere 9 in the end). Had Kassian played with a guy who could hit the net, he'd have easily been in the range of 40 points - as a third liner playing less than 13 minutes a night. You've been wrong about him all along, and seem determined to remain so.

I want to +1 this all night long and buy it breakfast

[sinphase]

Bo Horvat for Derrick Pouliot, that wouldn't be the worst thing.

[Alex the Great]

Bo Horvat for Derrick Pouliot, that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Oh yes, yes it would.

[Pimp C]

Bo Horvat for Derrick Pouliot, that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Yeah it would, Pouliot's offensive totals are heavily inflated from playing on Portland.

[Canuck Surfer]

This is exactly the kind of slanted crap that makes me wonder whether you ever clean your glasses Surfer. You are trying way too hard as usual to make a case that just doesn't bear out in reality.

Kassian went 17 straight games last year without taking a single penalty minute. He had another 8 game stretch, two 6 game stretches, another two 5 game stretches where he didn't take a single penalty minute.

In fact, there were only two times over the entire season where he took penalties in back to back games.

Once in the Toronto game he dominated, where he injured Bolland, but also scored a goal and intimidated the hell out of the Leafs and Phaneuf - he took one minor penalty the next game against Phoenix.

The other was in that stretch where Tortorella lost absolute control. That four game stretch included the first game, one in LA, where the KIngs had notoriously taken liberties - running Luongo, Daniel....Would you prefer a shrinking violet lol? You're whining about an instance where Kassian takes a misconduct and at the same time draws Willie Mitchell off the ice with one? The Canucks lost that game 1-0. Where does this ridiculous story of Kassian causing games to get out of hand come from? Your imagination. Give it a rest - your campaign has gotten downright silly. The next game, a 9-1 loss, Kassian took a misconduct in the third period when it was 8-1 lol (at the same time as 5 other players received one) , and had no penalties leading to pp goals against. The next game he took one minor penalty against Phoenix. He served a too-many men minor and took an inconsequential hooking minor in the third period of a 1-0 loss, a game they trailed in the 1st period. The last game of that four game stretch was Tortorella's infamous meltdown, something Kassian had nothing to do with, a game they won 3-2 in the end.

In other words, your entire storyline is sheer and utter b.s. without a hint let alone the trend you are fabricating.

Kassian was very well composed last year - picked his spots very intelligently, and for a player that is expected to step up and provide a measure of deterrence or intimidation, did precisely that on many occasions, in an impressively calculated fashion, particularly for such a young power forward who is also highly talented and for whom balancing those elements is important.

You should just give it up CS and get off the young guy's back - you seldom make a reasonable case, and in this case, his relative discipline last year was actually very consistent and pretty damn impressive.

In addition, what also tends to be forgotten is the situational use that Tortorella was so stuck on. His bullcrap contradiction about not letting players who weren't fully developed into the top 6 was made a mockery with his use of Jensen. The other part of that ridiculous contradiction - counter-sheltering a young forward that you maintain needs to develop his defensive game sending him out for a mere 43% offensive zone starts. That only makes his offensive production more impressive, and the myth of his lack of defensive development that more obvious - his corsi on was +1.41 despite the d zone starts. Moreover, Kassian played the entire season with a guy who simply could not finish. Kassian spoon fed Booth all year long with his patented beautiful feeds,, while Booth went into the last 10 games with 5 goals, (and 'padded' his total to a mere 9 in the end). Had Kassian played with a guy who could hit the net, he'd have easily been in the range of 40 points - as a third liner playing less than 13 minutes a night. You've been wrong about him all along, and seem determined to remain so.

Here's the thing.

Kassian needs to help us win more than 1 game against California teams this year. Thats the litmus test. Hell, we were not able to match Phoenix physically. Within our division, we could not hold our turf. Its where we need a big physical presence that can also play hockey. We need a guy who is as feared in the corners as he is coming back to the net with the puck. Like he was against Toronto and some of the games early on. Like he provided the last 3rd of the year. As I pointed out before you ranted. Its not like he was a leader that stepped up and showed everyone how to do it when it counted.

This year when it counts?

Here's the 2knd thing.

We sure as hell better not trade Horvat for someone we have to wait 3 years for.