drummer4now Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 i especially love the Forbes one. the blogger (who writes about video games, apparently) uses such a specific example (while ignoring loads of different factors as to why buying locally could be better) to arrive at a complete non-point -- something that very few people would even argue against, except for some rather extreme hippie-types the comments on that article are hilarious The forbes one was a dumb down version of my point.. I think the first source is better But thanks for coming in and peeing on my argument PS: What's your take or viewpoint on feminist profs at uni? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GLASSJAW Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The forbes one was a dumb down version of my point.. I think the first source is better But thanks for coming in and peeing on my argument you like the first article better, where she advocates for buying meat, produce, etc. locally? but I thought you were saying that JR was being fallacious for encouraging local agriculture purchasing? drummer, be honest, did you even read the article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 i especially love the Forbes one. the blogger (who writes about video games, apparently) uses such a specific example (while ignoring loads of different factors as to why buying locally could be better) to arrive at a complete non-point -- something that very few people would even argue against, except for some rather extreme hippie-types the comments on that article are hilarious I actually feel stupider having read them. Entirely miss the point and massively lacking in context. My head hurts from the stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 you like the first article better, where she advocates for buying meat, produce, etc. locally? but I thought you were saying that JR was being fallacious for encouraging local agriculture purchasing? drummer, be honest, did you even read the article? I bet he did...which is even more sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I actually feel stupider having read them. Entirely miss the point and massively lacking in context. My head hurts from the stupid. drummer4now says you're being fallacious for suggesting that people should think locally for buying agriculture. read this, and you'll understand his position better: In my own case, I buy all of my meat and eggs from local farmers whom I know personally, because I want antibiotic-free, grass-fed products. I trust my suppliers to raise their animals to these specifications, and I'm welcome to go visit their farms and confirm that they're doing so if I wish. In the summer, I get a weekly delivery of organically grown vegetables from another farmer whom I also know personally. I trust her not to use pesticides and to grow the most nutritious vegetables she can. She, too, would welcome me to come visit the farm—especially if I'd volunteer to help her weed, water and harvest, as some of her other customers do. wait, no. ignore that part and the paragraph that comes after it and just focus on the part that is completely unrelated to the position you were just endorsing, then apply it to agriculture, even though the woman in the paper doesn't draw that connection herself -- in fact, she distances herself from it. okay, wait, nevermind. don't read it at all. just stop being so damn liberal, it makes me uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 you like the first article better, where she advocates for buying meat, produce, etc. locally? but I thought you were saying that JR was being fallacious for encouraging local agriculture purchasing? drummer, be honest, did you even read the article? I skimmed the article, but if you go back he mentioned buying local not just agriculture.. And yes, by all means, please buy local. It might cost you a few shillings more but it's SO much better for your local economy and the country's long term ability to support itself. So I really don't know why you're pestering me.. I guess J.R. is just as guilty as me. Considering he quoted my post. I actually feel stupider having read them. Entirely miss the point and massively lacking in context. My head hurts from the stupid. Backpedaling are we.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 That's precisely BECAUSE of our race to the bottom. How are you not grasping the correlation? And yes, by all means, please buy local. It might cost you a few shillings more but it's SO much better for your local economy and the country's long term ability to support itself. IF consumers demanded more local products and spoke with their wallets at those stores we would see a very rapid change. Honestly though how can any one compete with the giants and their buying power ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 If you're going to knit pick my argument because of some apparently flawed sources.. I am sure there are hundreds of other sources available that are better.. Like I mentioned in my original post its controversial at best.. But I admit I committed fallacies when calling out J.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 drummer4now says you're being fallacious for suggesting that people should think locally for buying agriculture. read this, and you'll understand his position better: wait, no. ignore that part and the paragraph that comes after it and just focus on the part that is completely unrelated to the position you were just endorsing, then apply it to agriculture, even though the woman in the paper doesn't draw that connection herself -- in fact, she distances herself from it. okay, wait, nevermind. don't read it at all. just stop being so damn liberal, it makes me uncomfortable. I also loved her leap of logic that "keeping money in the community" equates to hoarding it (and misery)... The entire point of "keeping money in the community", is that it gets re-spent in said community. Contributing to sales taxes that further helps that community and to income for the employees where it's spent, which is also taxed and contributes yet again! I skimmed the article, but if you go back he mentioned buying local not just agriculture.. So I really don't know why you're pestering me.. I guess J.R. is just as guilty as me. Considering he quoted my post. Backpedaling are we.. Buying locally in a discussion/thread regarding agriculture. Not guilty or backpedaling in the least. You seem confused. IF consumers demanded more local products and spoke with their wallets at those stores we would see a very rapid change. Honestly though how can any one compete with the giants and their buying power ? A less ignorant/more informed consumer who actually follows through with what's better for themsleves long term than short term savings that largely benefit corporations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I skimmed the article, but if you go back he mentioned buying local not just agriculture.. So I really don't know why you're pestering me.. you two were very obviously discussing agriculture. but let's pretend you weren't. even if JR can be emotionally and financially satisfied with buying all of his goods locally, then that article STILL wouldn't apply to him, because the article presupposes a financial or emotional inability to be satisfied by local goods -- which is reasonable, but not necessarily always the case. but either way, the discussion seemed to be about his 'pipedream' about farmers, anyway, so none of that matters i'm pestering you because you tried to one-up him by posting junk. stuff that you found to enforce your own already-established views, rather than to think critically about the world around you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 IF consumers demanded more local products and spoke with their wallets at those stores we would see a very rapid change. Honestly though how can any one compete with the giants and their buying power ? Stop the demand, you stop supply. But someone's always going to be a giant, and because capitalism is what it is, those local companies always going to want to make more money. And if they want to make more money, they're going to expand. Such is the nature of the beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 If you're going to knit pick my argument because of some apparently flawed sources.. I am sure there are hundreds of other sources available that are better.. Like I mentioned in my original post its controversial at best.. But I admit I committed fallacies when calling out J.R. It's only "controversial" to the ignorant and those whose interests it doesn't align with (or the shills hocking for them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I also loved her leap of logic that "keeping money in the community" equates to hoarding it (and misery)... The entire point of "keeping money in the community", is that it gets re-spent in said community. Contributing to sales taxes that further helps that community and to income for the employees where it's spent, which is also taxed and contributes yet again! Buying locally in a discussion/thread regarding agriculture. Not guilty or backpedaling in the least. You seem confused. A less ignorant/more informed consumer who actually follows through with what's better for themsleves long term than short term savings that largely benefit corporations? The thread is about TFW being shut down.. You lambasted me because of my sources when you essentially agreed with me earlier before the white knight GJ came in swooping in from the gates of hell and destroyed my argument because he has nothing better to do... All I have to say now is good day because I have to write an essay.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 If you're going to knit pick my argument because of some apparently flawed sources.. I am sure there are hundreds of other sources available that are better.. Like I mentioned in my original post its controversial at best.. But I admit I committed fallacies when calling out J.R. I like this post. "If you're going to argue against my point, you should do your homework and find the sources that support my position because I just know (through the power of wishful thinking) that they're out there and I'm right." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 The thread is about TFW being shut down.. You lambasted me because of my sources when you essentially agreed with me earlier before the white knight GJ came in swooping in from the gates of hell and destroyed my argument because he has nothing better to do... All I have to say now is good day because I have to write an essay.. Which led to the discussion of how improperly both our government and the public is currently treating our agricultural/food systems and how we're not paying the "real" costs of our food off the backs of borderline slave labour. Quite frankly you destroyed your own argument with your ignorance on the subject and an inability to critically think beyond your own already pre-established, wrong minded views. Good luck on your essay, I hope you can apply better critical thinking skills to it than you have here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I can just sense the anger from your post Deb.. I know where you're coming from minus the part about poor unfortunate illnesses s and being a single parent with children.. If it makes you feel any better.. both of my parents work 3 jobs 40+hours and have been doing so for 7-8 years to make ends meet.. and they aren't the most glamorous jobs either.. It's more frustration than anger. I can't be angry because there's no one to be angry at...it's just the situation as it is and I'm working with it to the best of my ability. No tears...I'm a tough cookie and always manage to get through, it's just becoming increasingly difficult with thousands of people all vying for the same jobs. So if we're thinning out some of the pools, it's of benefit to me. And yes, that's a selfish viewpoint but it's called survival at this point. I offer no apologies for that. And the program extends beyond just unskilled workers...or at least as I know it. My boss was bringing in administrative staff who very much were filling positions that Canadian could/would have filled. They actually stated that they hired me as "a good Canadian sounding voice on the phone" but it was basically a Turkish company staffed by employees that had come over from Istanbul (mostly to escape military obligations if they'd stayed there). And, again, I believe he was also abusing the process and taking cash payments to bring people over who didn't work for us. So too many loopholes to be exploited in it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Which led to the discussion of how improperly both our government and the public is currently treating our agricultural/food systems and how we're not paying the "real" costs of our food off the backs of borderline slave labour. Quite frankly you destroyed your own argument with your ignorance on the subject and an inability to critically think beyond your own already pre-established, wrong minded views. Good luck on your essay, I hope you can apply better critical thinking skills to it than you have here. First off what ignorance.. Why did I mention earlier to buy from local farmers to support them? This was the precursor to our debate. I only called you out because you said buying local is better for the economy.. when its controversial at best. I never stated I am against buying locally!!! (think of it as being in caps..) You're just as guilty because you first agreed with me and then turned your back because GJ showed the flaws. Cool story bro.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The forbes one was a dumb down version of my point.. I think the first source is better But thanks for coming in and peeing on my argument PS: What's your take or viewpoint on feminist profs at uni? what? why did you edit this bit in? and what does this have to do with anything? i'm not sure why i would care if someone is a feminist so long as my understanding of the material wasn't rewarded or punished based on my agreement with the professor's ideology, whether it's feminist or socialist or capitalist or racist or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Damn Glassjaw always reads sources... What a jerk. Glad he wasn't one of my professors during my undergrad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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