drummer4now Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Damn Glassjaw always reads sources... What a jerk. Glad he wasn't one of my professors during my undergrad. True dat.. The odds increase when they personally mark papers over 100 entries.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 what? why did you edit this bit in? and what does this have to do with anything? i'm not sure why i would care if someone is a feminist so long as my understanding of the material wasn't rewarded or punished based on my agreement with the professor's ideology, whether it's feminist or socialist or capitalist or racist or whatever It was in the MGTOW thread and I was too eager to know your viewpoint about it.. so I just added it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 2- in many cases, these workers are doing jobs that Canadians won't do. I remember a case in the US a few years ago of one of the border states changing their temporary foreign immigration laws and farmers couldn't harvest their crops any more. I watch an interview of a farmer who said Americans won't work in the fields, and the few exceptions who try, don't last more then a day or two before they quit because the work is too hard. Thats a bold face lie http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/tfws-shut-out-local-ironworkers-at-downtown-arena-union-says-1.2894771 http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/01/canadians-expose-foreign-_n_5746498.html http://www.journalofcommerce.com/Labour/News/2014/2/Union-outraged-that-60-ironworkers-laid-off-at-lunch-JOC059020W/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelownaCanucksFan Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Send them all home, those numbers are way to high. people on welfare should go to work and pay taxes so they arent a burden on our system. We should not allow any foreign unskilled labour while we have any one on welfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Thats a bold face lie http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/tfws-shut-out-local-ironworkers-at-downtown-arena-union-says-1.2894771 http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/01/canadians-expose-foreign-_n_5746498.html http://www.journalofcommerce.com/Labour/News/2014/2/Union-outraged-that-60-ironworkers-laid-off-at-lunch-JOC059020W/ You're comparing apples to oranges... He was talking about farming and agriculture workers.. not skilled trade jobs like welding and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 You're comparing apples to oranges... He was talking about farming and agriculture workers.. not skilled trade jobs like welding and what not. Its apples to apples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I have nothing against these people, but "temporary" foreign workers are just that. Hopefully they weren't misled about their chances of staying in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Bye bye, don't let the best door in the world hit your butt on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Bye bye, don't let the best door in the world hit your butt on the way out. Lol the best door. It is Canada that implemented this program which was doomed to fail from the outstart. It has screwed over the foreign worker, it has screwed over the Canadian citizen, and ironically it has screwed over parts of the Canadian economy (the service industry). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Thats a bold face lie http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/tfws-shut-out-local-ironworkers-at-downtown-arena-union-says-1.2894771 http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/09/01/canadians-expose-foreign-_n_5746498.html http://www.journalofcommerce.com/Labour/News/2014/2/Union-outraged-that-60-ironworkers-laid-off-at-lunch-JOC059020W/ You should try improving your reading comprehension skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 You're just as guilty because you first agreed with me and then turned your back because GJ showed the flaws. Cool story bro.. Where exactly did this happen? lol I'm quite sure GJ simply backed up what I was already saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Frack, who's going to clear our urinals now? Hey, maybe you should volunteer to take that job. If we got rid of all the immigrants that receive $5/hour for cleaning toilets, our country would stink of filth since those permanent residents don't like to get their hands dirty. What I find funny about this thread is the irony of one immigrant telling other immigrants that they can't stay just because they didn't do it their way to enter the country. I really miss Canada of 15 years ago where people were nicer to each other and welcomed others into our beautiful country. Now we have people who are stuck up, think of only their individualistic way of living. I really have noticed a big change of attitude and I don't like it one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I am more sympathetic towards refugees or stateless people as I think we should do more to accept them... As for the bold part I think legally there's nothing wrong with it as of right now, but morally its not right. But since life is all about thuganomics lol sometimes you gotta do whatever possible to survive and get by... I agree with you. I think Canada is losing its reputation as a friendly and accepting country and I don't like how Harper is also contributing to that problem. I just picture a bunch of poor foreign workers heading underground. We just created a bunch of illegals with no rights at all. Slaves. We just became a bit closer to how it is in the US.http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Deadline+leave+Canada+could+force+some+temporary+foreign+workers+into+underground+economy/10937500/story.htmlSure, 'Canadian jobs for Canadians first', but the question might be if Canadians are even willing to do some of these low-skill jobs now? Another thing is that people here think that if we got rid of all the foreign workers, somehow it will improve our economy. That is where they are wrong because some of those temporary foreign workers such as those who are imported here to do jobs in Alberta's oil field might have specific knowledge or skills that Permanent Canadian residents lack or they aren't qualified for the job. The problem in Canada is that we are a nation that only relies on its natural resources but we aren't a nation that relies on manufacturing or production of goods. Now am not talking specifically about low skilled jobs since there are jobs for foreign workers that require special skills that unfortunately is lacking for those permanent resident applicants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I am sure there will always be someone willing to do them.. A recent immigrant might have no choice or a student struggling to find a part-time job.. Sure, if they are getting the $15/ hour wage, but are they willing to do it for $5/hour? Its easy to get rid of the TFW program but who is willing to fill the void? You know why all the companies in Canada are closing their doors? Lack of consumer spending coupled with raise in wages which doesn't make sense financially for businesses that want to expand in Canada. Again, we could get rid of these programs but I feel it will hurt our economy just as some people here say that it can help our economy. Also why would a recent immigrant or s struggling student go for really low paying jobs when they can leech money from the government in the form of student loans, welfare, etc. Talking from the business point of view, these changes that Canada is making will keep lowering the value of our dollar and I would forecast that less investors would be investing in Canada as the Asian economy keeps growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Sure, if they are getting the $15/ hour wage, but are they willing to do it for $5/hour? Its easy to get rid of the TFW program but who is willing to fill the void? You know why all the companies in Canada are closing their doors? Lack of consumer spending coupled with raise in wages which doesn't make sense financially for businesses that want to expand in Canada. Again, we could get rid of these programs but I feel it will hurt our economy just as some people here say that it can help our economy. Also why would a recent immigrant or s struggling student go for really low paying jobs when they can leech money from the government in the form of student loans, welfare, etc. Talking from the business point of view, these changes that Canada is making will keep lowering the value of our dollar and I would forecast that less investors would be investing in Canada as the Asian economy keeps growing. I don't know where you're getting the $5.00 an hour wage from.. the lowest paid wage in Canada is up north around $10.00 an hour in NWT.. Because a loan is a temporary form of money that has moral/legal obligations to it.. You can't get live life by just getting loans or even welfare.. Sooner or later the debt will catch up.. In the case of student loans once you're finished studies the interest begins.. Like I said in my previous post the TFW will most likely make a comeback in the future, but under a different name of course and/or will be re-introduced without much publicity like it was before the media found out... My only concern is I hope some recruiting agents for a corp didn't trick some of these people into thinking they would be able to stay after they arrived.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Of course not, why pay when you can abuse the TFW program? Let's see what happens when we shut off the cheap labour tap. You shut off the cheap labour tap and you will be paying more as a consumer, thats the effect. Like to see the people here who complain about the lack of jobs work in one of those bottom ranking jobs where the wage is not enough to even pay rent for a run down basement suite in East Vancouver. I will probably see these same people that complain about the lack of jobs and TFW program, complain about how low skilled jobs that include hardship don't pay more when the TFW program is terminated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I don't know where you're getting the $5.00 an hour wage from.. the lowest paid wage in Canada is up north around $10.00 in NWT.. Because a loan is a temporary form of money that has moral/legal obligations to it.. You can't get live life by just getting loans or even welfare.. Sooner or later the debt will catch up.. In the case of student loans once you're finished studies the interest begins.. Like I said in my previous post the TFW will most likely make a comeback in the future, but under a different name of course and/or will be re-introduced without much publicity like it was before the media found out... My only concern is I hope some recruiting agents for a corp didn't trick some of these people into thinking they would be able to stay after they arrived.. You must be ignorant about how much the TFW pays out. You really think that program would exist if they couldn't hire workers that are willing to work for less than minimum wage? One example that I read in a newspaper article was how Tim Hortons (a Canadian business) was paying lower than the minimum wage to foreign workers thanks to the TFW program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I just picture a bunch of poor foreign workers heading underground. We just created a bunch of illegals with no rights at all. Slaves. We just became a bit closer to how it is in the US.http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Deadline+leave+Canada+could+force+some+temporary+foreign+workers+into+underground+economy/10937500/story.htmlSure, 'Canadian jobs for Canadians first', but the question might be if Canadians are even willing to do some of these low-skill jobs now? There are plenty of 'Canadians' willing to clean urinals. I have seen them. Many of them would be glad to work at Tim's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 You must be ignorant about how much the TFW pays out. You really think that program would exist if they couldn't hire workers that are willing to work for less than minimum wage? One example that I read in a newspaper article was how Tim Hortons (a Canadian business) was paying lower than the minimum wage to foreign workers thanks to the TFW program. Criminal. Minimum wage availability should apply to everyone who works in this country. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I don't know where you're getting the $5.00 an hour wage from.. the lowest paid wage in Canada is up north around $10.00 an hour in NWT.. Because a loan is a temporary form of money that has moral/legal obligations to it.. You can't get live life by just getting loans or even welfare.. Sooner or later the debt will catch up.. In the case of student loans once you're finished studies the interest begins.. Like I said in my previous post the TFW will most likely make a comeback in the future, but under a different name of course and/or will be re-introduced without much publicity like it was before the media found out... My only concern is I hope some recruiting agents for a corp didn't trick some of these people into thinking they would be able to stay after they arrived.. A student government loan needs to be paid when that student has a job and is able to pay it back. If the graduating student is jobless, you really think the government can force them to pay back the loans? They have what is called the RAP (a repayment assistant program) that helps those students to freeze loan payment until they are able to find a job. There could be a case where the student could just file for bankruptcy and not pay any of the loan money back or a case where the government would slowly reduce the debt on the loan. Again you think that getting rid of TFW program helps the economy when we have so many lazy bums and leeches living on government assisted money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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