Germans set the record straight for Sharia Law Police attempts on German soil

[Mr.DirtyDangles]

Hey Mustapha you figure out what Secular means yet ?

Read up http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

[Mr. Ambien]

lmao they don't need to be in parliment when they literally have neighborhoods of them moving into towns, cities all over Canada, Germany, US, Sweden, ect..

As you see in the UK too they have been going to businesses and demanding to companies like Subway and telling them they must make their food acceptable to them and no one else.

Gotta love the Muslim assimilation. Who needs to assimilate when liberals throw out the red carpet and kiss their feet.

When I moved back to Canada I didn't bring all my guns from the US and demand the Castle Doctrine. Obviously assimilation is lost on some people, and it's abetted by the terrible standards liberals set.

[Bill Sikes]

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[Hugor Hill]

lmao they don't need to be in parliment when they literally have neighborhoods of them moving into towns, cities all over Canada, Germany, US, Sweden, ect..

Name me one Sharia Law neighbourhood in Canada.

[BanTSN]

"This is very urgent business, ladies and gentlemen, I beseech you: resist it while you still can and before the right to complain is taken away from you, which is the next thing.

You will be told, you can’t complain – because you’re Islamophobic. The term is already being introduced into the culture, as if it’s an accusation of race hatred or bigotry, whereas it’s only the objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion.

Watch out for these symptoms… The barbarians never take a city until someone holds the gates open to them. And it’s your own multicultural authorities who will do it for you.”

-Christopher Hitchens

Interesting, but not all too surprising choice to quote.

Other Christopher Hitchens quotes:

On Mother Teresa:

"(Mother Theresa) was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions."

On Afghanistan:

"'Bombing Afghanistan back into the Stone Age was quite a favourite headline for some wobbly liberals. The slogan does all the work. But an instant's thought shows that Afghanistan is being, if anything, bombed OUT of the Stone Age."

On the human race:

"My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilisation, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either."

On American conservative politics:

"The ancients taught us to fear `hubris,' and the Bible teaches the sin of pride. I am always amazed that American conservatives are not more suspicious of self-proclaimed historical uniqueness. But proclaim it they do, as if trying to reassure themselves against the blasts of what looks like a very bad season.

On homosexuality and adultery, etc:

"Nothing optional - from homosexuality to adultery - is ever made punishable unless those who do the prohibiting (and exact the fierce punishment) have a repressed desire to participate."

He was a socialist, a marxist, then he went over to neoconservativism after being disenfranchised. Most famous for his 'out there' views on pretty much every topic and person. He was a character, for sure. But not one to be taken seriously. A lot of it just became hateful, all over the map, and sad. RIP.

[BenDrinkin]

Multiculturalism has worked well so far around here, but it doesn't and hasn't worked everywhere.

[thejazz97]

Multiculturalism has worked well so far around here, but it doesn't and hasn't worked everywhere.

As long as its controlled to a certain extent, it's perfectly fine. People should be fine to do what their cultures do - unless it gets violent.

If it turns violent, there has to be an insanely understandable reason as to why it happened.

[Mr. Ambien]

Multiculturalism has worked well so far around here, but it doesn't and hasn't worked everywhere.

Well, sort of. I remember on these forums reading about foreigners segregating themselves in Toronto and Vancouver metro and how that's whitey's fault too.

SJW's gonna SJW.

[-DLC-]

It's not "multi" cultural if one group insists everything has to be their way. Multicultural has to include respect for others and their beliefs while having the freedom to enjoy our own. It isn't about taking over or making demands, which has to be established from the get go.

Being overly PC often comes with a price. If you allow some to walk over you, they will and you become a doormat. So it's important that rules and guidelines are clearly laid out with zero tolerance for intolerance.

I have Muslim friends who are warm, wonderful people. Extremists who feed off each other often become volatile because things aren't kept in check or perspective in a brainwashing way and that does happen in many religions that become cults (look at those Westboro whackos). The difference being that some take it to a whole other level when they behead, cut off limbs, etc. Violence isn't acceptable in a civilized society....so that should never be sacrificed to keep some "happy". But it is scary to think that numbers are all that stand in the way of having some in power who would support some of these views and practices.

[Edlerberry]

Keep in mind they excuse terrible behaviour in the US too, especially with blacks and hispanics.

People from Mexico in particular feel they are entitled to live in the US while breaking the laws. And from my experience with them in California, they feel entitled for everyone to speak Spanish rather than learn English themselves, even when there are free ESL courses up and down that state. That's how horrifically entitled they are. They demand official ballots in Spanish too, and not long until pretty much all products are, like in Canada with the English-French thing, English-Spanish in the states.

the difference is canada was founded with two official languages.

[Hugor Hill]

the difference is canada was founded with two official languages.

Mr. Ambien doesn't know history so don't mind him.

[Edlerberry]

imagine moving to iran because you wanted an iranian's job, then never learning farsi, forcing christianity while denouncing everything about iranian life and culture all while bringing family and friends to do the same, and then losing your job and expecting the iranians you refuse to integrate with to support you and your family, grant you voting rights, and conduct your government affairs in a non-official language at iranian taxpayer expense.

[drummer4now]

imagine moving to iran because you wanted an iranian's job, then never learning farsi, forcing christianity while denouncing everything about iranian life and culture all while bringing family and friends to do the same, and then losing your job and expecting the iranians you refuse to integrate with to support you and your family, grant you voting rights, and conduct your government affairs in a non-official language at iranian taxpayer expense.

This post speaks volumes too how much you're out of touch with reality maybe even stupid lol..

Maybe next time it would be wise to do some research on Iran?

That scenario you presented already exists in Iran and has existed before Islam's arrival, they're called: "Iranian Christians" who speak different languages like Persian (Farsi), Armenian, and Assyrian. There are at least 600 churches in Iran and about 370,000 christians.

Fun Fact:

Christianity is reportedly the fastest growing religion in Iran with an average annual rate of 5.2%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran

Should have picked Saudi Arabia..

[drummer4now]

Also..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Iran

By law and practice, religious minorities are not allowed to be elected to a representative body or to hold senior government or military positions, with the exception that 5 of a total 270 seats in the majlis are reserved for religious minorities. Three of these seats are reserved for members of the Christian faith, including two seats for the country's Armenian Christians, and one for Assyrians. There is also one seat for a member of the Jewish faith, and one for a member of the Zoroastrian faith. While members of the Sunni Muslim minority do not have reserved seats in the majlis, they are allowed to serve in the body. Sunni members tend to come from the larger Sunni communities. Members of religious minorities are allowed to vote. All of the minority religious groups, including Sunni Muslims, are barred from being elected president.^[2]

Not ideal, but better than nothing.

[Mustapha]

Hey Mustapha you figure out what Secular means yet ?

Read up http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

I am disappointed with your attempt to conflate my statements with the erroneous belief that 'Murica is a Christian nation'

I am arguing against Sharia Law BECAUSE it stands in direct opposition to secularism - where Government does not endorse any religious view. It's been the crux of my argument the entire time, but I guess I will have to clarify my statement further.

The distinction has to be made that the USA was founded on secular principles by people who largely identified as Christian. That DOES not equate to 'a Christian nation'.

This is why I am in awe of the system of government in the USA - This system was founded over 300 years ago, when most people were not educated as much as they are now and our current understanding of science was a fraction of what it is today.

It would have been so much easier to set up another monarchial system with a God-appointed leader, but they didn't. They took the road less traveled and created a government that is in principle still the envy of the world even in today's age. (Corruption aside)

To quote John Locke:

"All mankind... being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions."

Most of these people weren't atheists. However, they knew enough to cast aside their own agenda to create a better society

Do you not see the contrast of this against modern Islam? There is no widespread willingness to put aside personal differences to form a secular state in, say, Iran or Saudi Arabia for example.

Islamic culture was at one time very advanced with respect to medicine, astronomy, and mathematics (We continue to use Arabic numerals every day) but sometime around the 11th-12th century it was plunged into a black hole of ignorance.

So I will leave it like this - speaking to those who would come to the West:

To be free, you have to value freedom. It doesn't matter what you look like, or what deity you worship, or what language you speak. If your goal is to allow the domination of others against their will, I do not want to share a nation with the likes of you.

[Mustapha]

This post speaks volumes too how much you're out of touch with reality maybe even stupid lol..

Maybe next time it would be wise to do some research on Iran?

That scenario you presented already exists in Iran and has existed before Islam's arrival, they're called: "Iranian Christians" who speak different languages like Persian (Farsi), Armenian, and Assyrian. There are at least 600 churches in Iran and about 370,000 christians.

Fun Fact:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran

Should have picked Saudi Arabia..

Do you seriously need to insult people to make an argument?

The majority of Christians in Iran are Armenians, and I am willing to bet a significant part of that 'growth' (which is infintessimal in a nation of 80 million people) are ethnic Armenians returning to Iran from Armenia.

You should also clarify that 5.2% statistic, as I highly doubt there are 400,000 Christian converts every year in Iran. Perhaps the figure is in reference to the birth rate among Armenians?

Islam doesn't look kindly on apostates, and converting to Christianity certainly makes them one of those.

Also, I wouldn't give them a medal because they might be *slightly* less repressive than Saudi Arabia.

To say it's 'better than nothing' is like saying that a being naked with one shoe is better than being completely nude - in practical terms the difference is meaningless.

[Buddhas Hand]

I am disappointed with your attempt to conflate my statements with the erroneous belief that 'Murica is a Christian nation'

I am arguing against Sharia Law BECAUSE it stands in direct opposition to secularism - where Government does not endorse any religious view. It's been the crux of my argument the entire time, but I guess I will have to clarify my statement further.

The distinction has to be made that the USA was founded on secular principles by people who largely identified as Christian. That DOES not equate to 'a Christian nation'.

This is why I am in awe of the system of government in the USA - This system was founded over 300 years ago, when most people were not educated as much as they are now and our current understanding of science was a fraction of what it is today.

It would have been so much easier to set up another monarchial system with a God-appointed leader, but they didn't. They took the road less traveled and created a government that is in principle still the envy of the world even in today's age. (Corruption aside)

To quote John Locke:

"All mankind... being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions."

Most of these people weren't atheists. However, they knew enough to cast aside their own agenda to create a better society

Do you not see the contrast of this against modern Islam? There is no widespread willingness to put aside personal differences to form a secular state in, say, Iran or Saudi Arabia for example.

Islamic culture was at one time very advanced with respect to medicine, astronomy, and mathematics (We continue to use Arabic numerals every day) but sometime around the 11th-12th century it was plunged into a black hole of ignorance.

So I will leave it like this - speaking to those who would come to the West:

To be free, you have to value freedom. It doesn't matter what you look like, or what deity you worship, or what language you speak. If your goal is to allow the domination of others against their will, I do not want to share a nation with the likes of you.

DD did not conflate your statement you clearly had no idea of what the word secular means.

That govt you are so in awe of , it is their actions in the middle east that has set the stage for isis to become what it has.

Backing corrupt, murdering dictators and terorists such as saddam and osama bin laden when it suits their ends then illegally invading iraq in retaliation for 9/11.

[taxi]

This post speaks volumes too how much you're out of touch with reality maybe even stupid lol..

Maybe next time it would be wise to do some research on Iran?

That scenario you presented already exists in Iran and has existed before Islam's arrival, they're called: "Iranian Christians" who speak different languages like Persian (Farsi), Armenian, and Assyrian. There are at least 600 churches in Iran and about 370,000 christians.

Fun Fact:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran

Should have picked Saudi Arabia..

Do you seriously need to insult people to make an argument?

The majority of Christians in Iran are Armenians, and I am willing to bet a significant part of that 'growth' (which is infintessimal in a nation of 80 million people) are ethnic Armenians returning to Iran from Armenia.

You should also clarify that 5.2% statistic, as I highly doubt there are 400,000 Christian converts every year in Iran. Perhaps the figure is in reference to the birth rate among Armenians?

Islam doesn't look kindly on apostates, and converting to Christianity certainly makes them one of those.

Also, I wouldn't give them a medal because they might be *slightly* less repressive than Saudi Arabia.

To say it's 'better than nothing' is like saying that a being naked with one shoe is better than being completely nude - in practical terms the difference is meaningless.

If you actually go to the wikipedia link he's quoting, it doesn't exist....this is why wikipedia is a bad source. It's good for lists, but even the entries for each list need to be double checked.

If there is any growth it would probably be a small minority of Christians returning to Iran after fleeing it through the 70s to now. Even the wikipedia page lists the number as "168k" in 1976 and then "97k" in 1986. Then it lists the the population as "106k in 2006". Meanwhile the muslim population goes from 33 million to 70 million....a strange definition of fastest growing for sure.

The truth is that the minority populations in places like Iran are impossible to actually report. People hide their religions, and the government under reports minority populations to avoid giving them funding.

And yes your right, it's still illegal to convert to Christianity (or any other religion) from Islam. Iran also outright bans various religions, most notably Bahai'i.

[NucksCelts]

So there are a few nut jobs out there. Of course. Let me know when they become MP's and actually have some influence on society.

How much influence has ISIL had on society?

[Hugor Hill]

How much influence has ISIL had on society?

You are arguing for arguing's sake. ISIL has an army.