Sweathog Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, Sedintwinpowersactivate said: With the uncertainty of the cap... Players on expiring contracts will be way more popular at trade deadline time then players with years left at unfriendly cap hits. Higgins and Burrows will be tough to move, but I still think Vrbata and Hamhuis could each command a late 1st round pick from a contender. I'm not sure the Canucks should move Hamhuis though. I'm pretty sure that Vrbata will not resign in Vancouver and Benning would be stupid not to move him. Although Benning hasn't shown the best asset management in the past and may think they have a chance to make the playoffs this season. Not moving Vrbata would be a mistake in my opinion. I see Minny, Pittsburgh, Detroit and Florida as good fits for Vrbata. I don't think it matters too much if we trade Hamhuis this year, with him being an upcoming UFA. We can always sign him in the summer if he would want to come back, I doubt he would hold it agaisnt the team if we were to trade him for a 1st or 2nd rounder. t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 20 minutes ago, Sweathog said: I don't think it matters too much if we trade Hamhuis this year, with him being an upcoming UFA. We can always sign him in the summer if he would want to come back, I doubt he would hold it agaisnt the team if we were to trade him for a 1st or 2nd rounder. t lets compare hamhuise to ,lets say ferrance, pretty comparible avg,size both reliable tell me would you give up our 1st pick 4, 5, 6, oa for ferrance even if we needed a dman? that you knew was goin to walk and we do need a dman..hamhuis flys home to telkwa (11 miles east of smithers) every chance he gets. does,nt want to be further from his kids,he,s already said he would consider retire ring from injures if that happened and it has happened .if he was asked to waive his ntc he would say no and play out his term. plus getting a 1st for as much as i love the guy he,s not worth a first ,but like i said it won't get to that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, chon derry said: lets compare hamhuise to ,lets say ferrance, pretty comparible avg,size both reliable Hamhuis is way better than Ference. The perfect second pairing guy that any team looking to go on a run would want. Ference is a bottom pairing guy on most teams. The fact that he's a UFA at the end of the season is a good thing for a team right up against the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 IMO Hamhuis would get Johns and a 2016 1st or maybe Honka from Dallas. Anything less than over payment then we can keep him and resign him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Hamhuis is way better than Ference. The perfect second pairing guy that any team looking to go on a run would want. Ference is a bottom pairing guy on most teams. The fact that he's a UFA at the end of the season is a good thing for a team right up against the cap. I'm you got that right on the mark DeNiro. Hammer being a UFA makes him worth even more at the TDL, same with Vrbata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Hamhuis is way better than Ference. The perfect second pairing guy that any team looking to go on a run would want. Ference is a bottom pairing guy on most teams. The fact that he's a UFA at the end of the season is a good thing for a team right up against the cap. ferrance was an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I'm you got that right on the mark DeNiro. Hammer being a UFA makes him worth even more at the TDL, same with Vrbata. NHL Hamhuis VAN 1st (for sure) Top prospect (depends on marker) —————————————NHL Vrbata VAN 1st (for sure) Top prospect (depends on marker) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, chon derry said: ferrance was an example Maybe Ference of 5 years ago, not today. I think Hamhuis has pretty good stock around the league as a reliable vet. Team Canada execs definitely like him too. If it was 2011-2012, I would definitely give up a 1st for a guy like Hamhuis if we didn't already have him and could fit him in. Those are the teams you gotta make a deal with, not the bubble teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I'm you got that right on the mark DeNiro. Hammer being a UFA makes him worth even more at the TDL, same with Vrbata. I think a lot of you will be let down from the Vrbata return. The guy is on pace for about 38 point's or so and is a playoff no show. Ufa for sure makes him easier to move however the return likely won't be very significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Me_ said: NHL Vrbata VAN 1st (for sure) Top prospect (depends on marker) You're going to be disappointed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 hefty asking price for a guy nobody knows how long he wants to play .narrowed down to top contending teams he would consider waiving for he,s not going to waive just for the sake of the gms desire to trade him slim options i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Me_ said: NHL Hamhuis VAN 1st (for sure) Top prospect (depends on marker) —————————————NHL Vrbata VAN 1st (for sure) Top prospect (depends on marker) This is laughable. A 1st and a top prospect for a mid 30s winger on pace for under 40 pts and under 20 goals and not to mention a playoff no show. If the shoe was on the other foot would you want JB to make a trade like that? I know I wouldn't. Your proposals are always crazy but that one is pretty terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, chon derry said: hefty asking price for a guy nobody knows how long he wants to play .narrowed down to top contending teams he would consider waiving for If you're pretty confident your pick is going to be a 25-30 pick, it's not that hefty. Especially if it's a team that already has a bunch of depth in their organization. Chicago knows Vermette wasn't worth a 1st, but they don't care. They could afford it, and he provided that extra depth to put them over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Just now, DeNiro said: If you're pretty confident your pick is going to be a 25-30 pick, it's not that hefty. Especially if it's a team that already has a bunch of depth in their organization. Chicago knows Vermette wasn't worth a 1st, but they don't care. They could afford it, and he provided that extra depth to put them over the top. Chicago had better stop trading picks and prospects away. But I get your point but the op is correct Hammer will decide. But I kind of agree with gstank if the deal isn't worth try and sign him to a good deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: If you're pretty confident your pick is going to be a 25-30 pick, it's not that hefty. Especially if it's a team that already has a bunch of depth in their organization. Chicago knows Vermette wasn't worth a 1st, but they don't care. They could afford it, and he provided that extra depth to put them over the top. I'm sure they could dangle him out there hamhuise in the end will have some say, not sure but i think he sticks around and eventually becomes part of the training staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweathog Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 18 minutes ago, chon derry said: lets compare hamhuise to ,lets say ferrance, pretty comparible avg,size both reliable tell me would you give up our 1st pick 4, 5, 6, oa for ferrance even if we needed a dman? that you knew was goin to walk and we do need a dman..hamhuis flys home to telkwa (11 miles east of smithers) every chance he gets. does,nt want to be further from his kids,he,s already said he would consider retire ring from injures if that happened and it has happened .if he was asked to waive his ntc he would say no and play out his term. plus getting a 1st for as much as i love the guy he,s not worth a first ,but like i said it won't get to that point You could be right about Hamhuis not waiving his NTC, but none of us really know for sure if he's willing to or not. He might figure that this year is his last real chance at the cup, and is willing to be farther away from his family for 2-4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 the guys pretty active in whats happening in smithers donating money for the second rink there building there , i read something a couple of months ago edmonton being close still maybe ,that was a local tv interview chtk out of terrace shortly after his injury read or heard it locally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Chicago had better stop trading picks and prospects away. But I get your point but the op is correct Hammer will decide. But I kind of agree with gstank if the deal isn't worth try and sign him to a good deal. At the same time, when Chicago can sign guys like Panarin for free who are basically a top 10 pick equivalent, it doesn't hurt so much. Good scouting and being an attractive team for free agents to come to can make up for those lost picks. If Hamhuis can't fetch a 1st or a 2nd and a prospect, I agree we might as well re-sign him. It would be hard to replace a guy like him at the cost we could likely sign him for. But if we can get a young D prospect as a return, it's a no brainer. I don't see Hamhuis turning down a deal. It would only be 3 months of his life and a chance to win a cup. I have a feeling he would do what's best for the Canucks, like Bieksa. That seems to be the type of guy he is. He could even re-sign here after ala Vermette in Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 3 minutes ago, Sweathog said: You could be right about Hamhuis not waiving his NTC, but none of us really know for sure if he's willing to or not. He might figure that this year is his last real chance at the cup, and is willing to be farther away from his family for 2-4 months. contenders ...washington chicago la a return to nashville ? there good on d ??? can't see it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 now edlerweber barkowski lets dangle those guys first bring up pedan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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