Gollumpus Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, TNucks1 said: off topic, but whats that cat thing in your picture from again. Bill the Cat, from "Bloom County". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_County regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 6 hours ago, Tavrohorvat53 said: Jim Benning has this under control. One day after getting Guds for Mccn 4th and 2nd he gets Nilsson. We didn't draft him but by signing him it's like we recouped our 4th pick in this years draft. An added plus is that he's a few years along in his development as well, so he might be even better now than years past. Either way, deals like this are like picking in the draft,in the fourth round, where anything goes. Thats why people need to chill out and let JB steer the ship. He's getting $&!# done. He's not avoiding and ignoring our problems. He's addressing our biggest issues and he's doing a fair job evaluating and valuing talent. People lose their $&!# that a 4th became a 5th, in the Van-Flo Trade but when Mr.Benning goes and signs a 22 yo defensively and (potentially) offensively gifted d man, no one praises the man. Like seriously. Wtf Benning is building us a beauty, the muppets and haters are losing their sh*t over every singe move, pathetic but not surprising, this fanbase is filled with people with shallow roots in the province and country. Piles of tards that don't know the game and gobbling up the vomitous idiocy of The Province and Team 1040 trolls and hacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrytoolips Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 7 hours ago, LaBamba said: I don't really hate any of Benning's trades but I am confused as to what exactly his direction is. We can all agree that reason he is trading picks and assets is because of the "Gillis" gap. Well, unfortunately, Benning could be making his own gap with rushing this rebuild. The timing of that gap may be even worse then the one left by Gillis. Right about the time the Sedin's retire. He has traded FAR more 2nd rnd picks then he has drafted. With his scouting background that might be a huge opportunity lost. We are the 3rd worse team in the league yet we have less picks then a lot of the teams that made the playoffs. Even Bob Mac is confused. How people can say the players he has drafted are home runs is absolutely ridiculous. None of them including Brock Boeser have proven anything in the NHL. We are a team that should be stocking up for the inevitable departure of the Sedin's and Edler. We might be feeling some pain 5 years from now. JB's direction is he's trying to build a big, tough, physical, hardworking, fast team..I wouldn't be worried as a fan of any 'gap', he and Linden are trying to avoid a losing mentality, and instead attempting to install a winning one in the new young core..here we are worried that his scouting prowess isn't being used on all these 2nd round picks he's missing out on, but if you think about it, he's using his scouting prowess on these new core pieces he's bringing in, on players such as Gudbranson - using his judgement to bring in players with certain intangibles that these advanced stats can't show..good on him to go against the trend, and potentially use this advanced stats trend that every other GM is going on to his advantage..and of course we can't claim any of our prospects are home runs, they are still prospects, but by bringing in these prospects into a winning culture, the Canucks are increasing their odds of being successful..And I personally, after watching many Nucks games, am not a big fan of Edler, his giveaways and inconsistent play, I hope they get a prospect/pick or two this draft for him, and then either resign Hamhuis, or even a bit more of an offensive D man UFA.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 53 minutes ago, harrytoolips said: JB's direction is he's trying to build a big, tough, physical, hardworking, fast team..I wouldn't be worried as a fan of any 'gap', he and Linden are trying to avoid a losing mentality, and instead attempting to install a winning one in the new young core..here we are worried that his scouting prowess isn't being used on all these 2nd round picks he's missing out on, but if you think about it, he's using his scouting prowess on these new core pieces he's bringing in, on players such as Gudbranson - using his judgement to bring in players with certain intangibles that these advanced stats can't show..good on him to go against the trend, and potentially use this advanced stats trend that every other GM is going on to his advantage..and of course we can't claim any of our prospects are home runs, they are still prospects, but by bringing in these prospects into a winning culture, the Canucks are increasing their odds of being successful..And I personally, after watching many Nucks games, am not a big fan of Edler, his giveaways and inconsistent play, I hope they get a prospect/pick or two this draft for him, and then either resign Hamhuis, or even a bit more of an offensive D man UFA.. Turn Edler into either Sergachev/Joiliveri / Chycrun Turn Miller and Hansen into Logan Brown. Draft either Tkachuk or Dubois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrytoolips Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 58 minutes ago, Positive Canuck said: Turn Edler into either Sergachev/Joiliveri / Chycrun Turn Miller and Hansen into Logan Brown. Draft either Tkachuk or Dubois. I doubt Edler would get us a 1st round pick that high would he??? And Miller and Hansen together a first round pick in the top 15? But I like your optimism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, harrytoolips said: I doubt Edler would get us a 1st round pick that high would he??? And Miller and Hansen together a first round pick in the top 15? But I like your optimism! really like the Gudbranson trade, I'm hoping Benning can land Logan Brown with a second first rounder he can get somehow in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Gollumpus said: Extra 1st as in Erik Gudbranson? regards, G. We are going around in circles man. I'm saying acquiring players like Gudbranson for picks could leave holes in the prospect pool down the line. No matter how you look at it, he is paying to win now with the "money" of the future. I freaken love Gudbranson. I can honestly say I have never been more excited about a trade for any player. I absolutely love these kind of defensemen. What I don't like is how we are using picks to win now when we are one of the leagues lowly. We didn't even have the luxury of trading our UFA's for picks. We should be going into the draft with a surplus of picks not less than half the playoff teams. This is starting to look like the Gillis Era all over again only we suck. I'm starting to think it's not management at all, it ownership. Win now at any cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 34 minutes ago, LaBamba said: We are going around in circles man. I'm saying acquiring players like Gudbranson for picks could leave holes in the prospect pool down the line. No matter how you look at it, he is paying to win now with the "money" of the future. I freaken love Gudbranson. I can honestly say I have never been more excited about a trade for any player. I absolutely love these kind of defensemen. What I don't like is how we are using picks to win now when we are one of the leagues lowly. We didn't even have the luxury of trading our UFA's for picks. We should be going into the draft with a surplus of picks not less than half the playoff teams. This is starting to look like the Gillis Era all over again only we suck. I'm starting to think it's not management at all, it ownership. Win now at any cost. 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Brown February 4, 2009 Nathan McIver Los Angeles Kings acquire Date Vancouver Canucks acquire 2009 7th round pick (#202-Jordan Samuels) December 30, 2008 Jason LaBarbera Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Chicago Blackhawks acquire future considerations December 9, 2008 Jim Sharrow Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Tampa Bay Lightning acquire Shane O`BrienMichel Ouellet October 6, 2008 Lukas KrajicekJuraj Simek Vancouver Canucks acquire Date Ottawa Senators acquire Lawrence Nycholat September 2, 2008 Ryan Shannon The Gillis era deals where there is a significant imbalance of youth/picks going out for the assets coming back. 1.) The Ballard deal - the right idea, but it didn't really work out. 2.) Pahlsson for two 4ths. 3.) Roy for Connauton and a 2nd. 4.) Rahimi/White for Erhoff/Lukowich. 5.) Alberts for a 3rd(?) The difference here is that Gillis was trading away assets for older players, older as in rentals and/or guys who were on their last legs. Benning's deals may also be for "older" players, but we're talking about guys who are five(ish) years or less older and are likely here for possibly 10 or more years. Big difference. If there's a gap in the Canuck prospect pool from the current Benning's trades, then I suspect it will be a very, very small one. Incoming: one extra 1st, outgoing: two 2nd, one 4th, 1 5th, 1 6th. I'll take the quality over the quantity. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just remember JB was responsible for that starting lineup, just because his first offseason was a disaster, doesn't mean he deserves credit for fixing what he started. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against what he's done, but he doesn't deserve anything yet. If and when he shows that this team is improving, then I'll give him credit, until then, the jury is still out. No one deserves credit when the team has the worst record in a very long time with quality veteran players like both Sedins, Hamhuis, Edler, Miller, Vrbata etc are apart of the team. 3rd worst doesn't deserve any credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I don't mind Benning using credit to acquire the odd asset as long as he can cover the interest in the future. How ever he won't earn credit without proving it with results on the ice. By the overall direction Benning and company have been going I have no doubt that it will soon translate to the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I trust Benning 100%. All of his picks appear to have the potential to play pro. His trades also aren't as lopsided as everyone makes them out to be. You don't know what you have until it's gone I guess. Just be grateful we have a GM that can find guys like Boeser in later rounds. As long as Benning is our GM, we'll never fall as far as we have again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted May 31, 2016 Author Share Posted May 31, 2016 On May 29, 2016 at 8:12 PM, mpt said: Just remember JB was responsible for that starting lineup, just because his first offseason was a disaster, doesn't mean he deserves credit for fixing what he started. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against what he's done, but he doesn't deserve anything yet. If and when he shows that this team is improving, then I'll give him credit, until then, the jury is still out. No one deserves credit when the team has the worst record in a very long time with quality veteran players like both Sedins, Hamhuis, Edler, Miller, Vrbata etc are apart of the team. 3rd worst doesn't deserve any credit Why do you think being 3rd worst is exclusively Benning's fault? How about the fact Vrbata decided to mail in his season, how about the fact we lost our defenceman to injuries throughout the season (hell we had Weber and Bartkowski as a pairing due to all the injuries), how about the fact we lost our number two centre for most of the season, how about the fact we were filled with aging veterans who didn't do much, how about the fact we had 8 different players play their first game as a Canuck. A season doesn't happen in a vacuum. Why do you put all the blame on the GM? If he had a healthy line-up I guarantee we wouldn't be nearly that far back. We lost far too many key pieces for far too long to be able to make anything out of our season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 14 minutes ago, Mattrek said: Why do you think being 3rd worst is exclusively Benning's fault? How about the fact Vrbata decided to mail in his season, how about the fact we lost our defenceman to injuries throughout the season (hell we had Weber and Bartkowski as a pairing due to all the injuries), how about the fact we lost our number two centre for most of the season, how about the fact we were filled with aging veterans who didn't do much, how about the fact we had 8 different players play their first game as a Canuck. A season doesn't happen in a vacuum. Why do you put all the blame on the GM? If he had a healthy line-up I guarantee we wouldn't be nearly that far back. We lost far too many key pieces for far too long to be able to make anything out of our season. Did I solely blame JB? You read a lot in between the lines. No one deserves any credit for this season, including our GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baggins Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 On 5/29/2016 at 7:27 PM, LaBamba said: We are going around in circles man. I'm saying acquiring players like Gudbranson for picks could leave holes in the prospect pool down the line. No matter how you look at it, he is paying to win now with the "money" of the future. I freaken love Gudbranson. I can honestly say I have never been more excited about a trade for any player. I absolutely love these kind of defensemen. What I don't like is how we are using picks to win now when we are one of the leagues lowly. We didn't even have the luxury of trading our UFA's for picks. We should be going into the draft with a surplus of picks not less than half the playoff teams. This is starting to look like the Gillis Era all over again only we suck. I'm starting to think it's not management at all, it ownership. Win now at any cost. Gillis was trading picks for rental players. Benning is not. Gillis was trying to "win now" while Benning is trying to "speed up" the rebuild. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I'm seriously getting a Benning Jersey that's how much I love our GM now if he can sign Matt Martin I get both players I was hoping for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameFaker Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 On May 30, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Positive Canuck said: Benning is building us a beauty, the muppets and haters are losing their sh*t over every singe move, pathetic but not surprising, this fanbase is filled with people with shallow roots in the province and country. Piles of tards that don't know the game and gobbling up the vomitous idiocy of The Province and Team 1040 trolls and hacks. Totally agree, and the irony is that I never played more than street shinny and only got into the Nucks a few seasons ago. So, I'm inclined it ain't just shallow roots that prevent these cats from seeing how it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 9 hours ago, CanuckleHorse said: I'm seriously getting a Benning Jersey that's how much I love our GM now if he can sign Matt Martin I get both players I was hoping for id take Martin on a Dorsett upgrade in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 On May 30, 2016 at 10:06 PM, mpt said: Did I solely blame JB? You read a lot in between the lines. No one deserves any credit for this season, including our GM When every post you make has something to do with blaming Benning without mentioning any other factor that went into this season it's pretty easy to get the impression you only blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 On 29/05/2016 at 7:27 PM, LaBamba said: We are going around in circles man. I'm saying acquiring players like Gudbranson for picks could leave holes in the prospect pool down the line. No matter how you look at it, he is paying to win now with the "money" of the future. I freaken love Gudbranson. I can honestly say I have never been more excited about a trade for any player. I absolutely love these kind of defensemen. What I don't like is how we are using picks to win now when we are one of the leagues lowly. We didn't even have the luxury of trading our UFA's for picks. We should be going into the draft with a surplus of picks not less than half the playoff teams. This is starting to look like the Gillis Era all over again only we suck. I'm starting to think it's not management at all, it ownership. Win now at any cost. I posted something similar myself. I think that Benning has to be careful how many picks he moves for players in their early 20's because there is a danger that in the future, he might create the same issue as he has now by not having enough draft picks who become players in a certain age group. In an ideal world, he should be getting at least 1, preferably 2 players every draft who become NHL regulars. If Benning is going to trade away a pick, in general, I'm ok with it as long as he makes it count. On your concern, I would really like to think that this year Benning will get at least 1 NHL regular from the draft. Does he need to keep adding players in their early 20's? Maybe not, it depends how they all work out 28. Biega 27. Sutter 26. Sbisa, Tanev, Markstrom, Larsen 25. Rodin, Grenier, Vey 24. Baertschi, Etem, Gudbranson, Garteig 23. Zalewski, Granlund, Hutton, Pedan 22. Gaunce, Tryamkin, Stecher 21. Horvat 20. Virtanen, Demko 19. Boeser, Briesbois 18. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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