73 Percent Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 10 hours ago, Alflives said: I said I like Gaunce. I just don't see him as a JB player. He and Shink are most likely pot sweeteners. Are you saying you think Gaunce is a points producer at the NHL level? Enough with the JB player crap. Whats a JB player? Is hutton a JB player? Is sutter a JB player? Is beartschi a JB player? The twins? Bieksa? Pretty wide variety of players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameFaker Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 50 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Enough with the JB player crap. Whats a JB player? Is hutton a JB player? Is sutter a JB player? Is beartschi a JB player? The twins? Bieksa? Pretty wide variety of players. GMJB loves character. Gaunce has that. Which leads me to... 11 hours ago, Alflives said: I said I like Gaunce. I just don't see him as a JB player. He and Shink are most likely pot sweeteners. Are you saying you think Gaunce is a points producer at the NHL level? I think he'll put up points. He's got the strength and willpower to do dirty work, and the intelligence to read plays. Even if he's a fourth liner, he'll put up ~15 points a season. That's my bet, anyway. As a third liner, he could probably rise to 25-30 points a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 A lot of posters who clearly know almost nothing about Gaunce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 16 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: I don't know about overrated as I've never heard anybody on this board label him anything more than a third liner. I think most of us thought when drafted we got a very responsible 4th liner maybe 3rd, however while witnessing his offensive surge this season in the AHL most see a decent 3rd liner in him now. However crazier things have happened and Gaunce could shock us and become more as it looks like every year he's progressing or maybe it doesn't translate and he just becomes a very good bottom 6 guy however the excitement is warranted with the season he is having. IMO pigeon holing this kid as a 4th or 3rd liner is foolish. On what basis is this being concluded? If you tell me that you are a Utica season ticket holder then I might reconsider. In my mind it is laughable that Shinkaruk is penciled in as a top 6 forward and Gaunce who could overtake Shink's ppg totals is not. A lot of assumptions being made. It reminds me of comments about Horvat when he was drafted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: isn't he like a ppg or near ppg in the NHL thus far? 1 point in 2 games? I think his big body and intelligence are exactly what JB likes in his players What do the Canucks need up front more than size? Smart size at that. Gaunce roofed a goal the other day standing on the crease. Backhand to forehand and then roofed! Beautiful. First NHL game = goal! When I watch Gaunce I see the same style of player as Horvat. He sees the ice very well. I am not suggesting that Gaunce is a top 6 certainty. Canucks have 2 years of AHL development in this kid and I want to see him play next year in a Canucks jersey. Taking a flyer on other teams problem players is more than a risk than this org can afford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, Boudrias said: What do the Canucks need up front more than size? Smart size at that. Gaunce roofed a goal the other day standing on the crease. Backhand to forehand and then roofed! Beautiful. First NHL game = goal! When I watch Gaunce I see the same style of player as Horvat. He sees the ice very well. I am not suggesting that Gaunce is a top 6 certainty. Canucks have 2 years of AHL development in this kid and I want to see him play next year in a Canucks jersey. Taking a flyer on other teams problem players is more than a risk than this org can afford. We gave up a second for Vey and a second for Baer. Giving up Gaunce in a Drouin trade is absolutely the type of risk this organization needs to do. We need ELITE skill. Drouin offers that. Whether he's tough enough to take the pounding he will certainly have to take to be Elite is a risk worth taking. IMHAO, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 1 hour ago, stawns said: A lot of posters who clearly know almost nothing about Gaunce. That's what I'm seeing. But then CDC has gotten progressively more clueless as tanknation has taken over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 46 minutes ago, Alflives said: We gave up a second for Vey and a second for Baer. Giving up Gaunce in a Drouin trade is absolutely the type of risk this organization needs to do. We need ELITE skill. Drouin offers that. Whether he's tough enough to take the pounding he will certainly have to take to be Elite is a risk worth taking. IMHAO, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 51 minutes ago, Alflives said: We gave up a second for Vey and a second for Baer. Giving up Gaunce in a Drouin trade is absolutely the type of risk this organization needs to do. We need ELITE skill. Drouin offers that. Whether he's tough enough to take the pounding he will certainly have to take to be Elite is a risk worth taking. IMHAO, of course. If push came to shove and we COULD obtain Drouin, I'd be hard pressed (should we be able to develop him properly and not have the contract issues I am sure are coming with him) to say no to trading Gaunce for him. Be that as it may he makes Shinkaruk more redundant honestly and would be the more realistic trade. But I've been saying this since we drafted gaunce, look back over 200 pages and you'll see me sporadically standing up for this gem of a kid on all fronts. I like him. he screams hockey player. if he's a higgins type player that's just fine. because he's actually faster than Higgins and far stronger on the puck while being a much larger body that is still growing. Beauty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, J.R. said: Yes, but talent plus work ethic plus heart will beat work ethic plus heart 100 time out of 100. We will never win, if we have a team filled with heart and great work ethic, but lacks elite talent. We need young prospects like the Twins - who combine ALL THREE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowRoads Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) I know Shink has always projected more as a top 6 forward, but I think the fact that gaunce is only 6 points behind with 5 less gp isn't something to ignore. Not saying gaunce has the same skill set as hunter but at the very least he's showing he has some upside there. Even if he ends up being a 25-30 point top 9 type guy, he's the type of player you need. A young, big, strong player who can play center or wing, with decent (and improving) speed and good two way instincts. I'm excited to see Brendan in the future. Edited February 22, 2016 by thehockeygenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: If push came to shove and we COULD obtain Drouin, I'd be hard pressed (should we be able to develop him properly and not have the contract issues I am sure are coming with him) to say no to trading Gaunce for him. Be that as it may he makes Shinkaruk more redundant honestly and would be the more realistic trade. But I've been saying this since we drafted gaunce, look back over 200 pages and you'll see me sporadically standing up for this gem of a kid on all fronts. I like him. he screams hockey player. if he's a higgins type player that's just fine. because he's actually faster than Higgins and far stronger on the puck while being a much larger body that is still growing. Beauty I like both Gaunce and Shinkaruk, but in a trade (that's deemed fair) both sides need to suffer some pain. I agree. I would rather give up Shinkaruk and keep Gaunce. Gaunce (at minimum) will be a solid third/fourth line player. Shinkaruk (IMHAO) is either a top six guy or he's off to Europe. I think I'm starting to understand some of the character traits JB talks a lot about, but he never really defines. Sure he wants good people. But, he also wants guys - like the twins - who will take a beating to play their game. For the twins (and most elite players) it's taking that beating while keeping the puck, or getting to the hard to get to areas. Does Drouin have that in his character? I don't know. Is he worth the risk to find out? I believe his elite skill gives him: first line difference maker on a Cup level team ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, thehockeygenius said: I know Shink has always projected more as a top 6 forward, but I think the fact that gaunce is only 6 points behind with 5 less gp isn't something to ignore. Not saying gaunce has the same skill set as hunter but at the very least he's showing he has some upside there. Even if he ends up being a 25-30 point top 9 type guy, he's the type of player you need. A young, big, strong player who can play center or wing, with decent (and improving) speed and good two way instincts. I'm excited to see Brendan in the future. If you choose to look at it that was isnt it alarming that subban only has 5 pts less than gaunce. As a rookie...defenseman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yes, but talent plus work ethic plus heart will beat work ethic plus heart 100 time out of 100. We will never win, if we have a team filled with heart and great work ethic, but lacks elite talent. We need young prospects like the Twins - who combine ALL THREE. Drouin doesn't strike me as that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Just now, Gooseberries said: If you choose to look at it that was isnt it alarming that subban only has 5 pts less than gaunce. As a rookie...defenseman? Close to all of our prospects in utica are thriving. Just be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yes, but talent plus work ethic plus heart will beat work ethic plus heart 100 time out of 100. We will never win, if we have a team filled with heart and great work ethic, but lacks elite talent. We need young prospects like the Twins - who combine ALL THREE. A championship team has an assortment of players that have varying skills. The one thing that they all have is +++heart. Of course the Canucks need to find a way to replace the Sedins production, but they also have to focus on developing and assessing the players that surround the elite guys. It takes a whole team to win a cup; not just the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, J.R. said: Drouin doesn't strike me as that guy. You may be correct. The evidence is certainly not in his favor. He knows he's going to take a beating, and gave up on his American League team, because (as his agent put it) he didn't want to get injured. His skill is so elite, that he is worth the risk. IMHAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowRoads Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Just now, Gooseberries said: If you choose to look at it that was isnt it alarming that subban only has 5 pts less than gaunce. As a rookie...defenseman? Nah, I'd rather look at that as having a young offensive defenseman achieving better than most had anticipated at this point in his rookie ahl seasn, offensively anyway. I'm not trying to sound any alarms at all, but just offer a little perspective for those who think gaunce doesn't have any offensive skills that will translate. It's possible they won't, but I like what I've seen from gaunce so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowRoads Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 5 minutes ago, Gooseberries said: Close to all of our prospects in utica are thriving. Just be happy. Ps that wasn't supposed to be a knock o shinky. I'm very happy with our prospects development in Utica this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, higgyfan said: A championship team has an assortment of players that have varying skills. The one thing that they all have is +++heart. Of course the Canucks need to find a way to replace the Sedins production, but they also have to focus on developing and assessing the players that surround the elite guys. It takes a whole team to win a cup; not just the top 6. I agree 100%. But the elite skill guys are a MUST. We don't have those guys. Do the Canucks make it to the Finals in 82, 94, and 2011 without Gradin, Bure, and Sedin(s)? We need elite skill too, and yes those elite guys must have heart and work ethic. Edited February 22, 2016 by Alflives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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